Manchester United Thread [2011/2012]

[adedawson]

Ben Amos and Scholes gotten new contracts

 

[Sir Calumn]

what you talking about? They got around the same amount of assists and goals, the difference Kagawa plays in a far better league and does far better Internationally.

Hazards twitter fixation just added to the media hype. Compare him with Kagawa who's been relatively silent. Not that I blame hazard for trying to drive his price up.

Eden Hazard: 192 apps, 50 goals and 38 assists.
Shinji Kagawa: 198 apps, 86 goals and 45 assists.

You could argue that Kagawa was playing in Japan, but if you look at the last two seasons

Eden Hazard: 100 apps, 34 goals and 26 assists.
Shinji Kagawa: 71 apps, 29 goals and 15 assists. (I'm pretty sure Kagawa actually got 19 goals this season which puts them even closer with 30 less games)

Less games, better league, half the price, great attitude, loves the English league = no brainer

Every team in the world would take Hazard over Kagawa and you know it

 

[Pogba4Now]

its on SSN now... looks like this may just happen. Hernandez is going to love him!

What is SSN?

 

[coach]

SSN = Sky Sports News

 

[adedawson]

Every team in the world would take Hazard over Kagawa and you know it

we will see. Hope hes doesn't turn into a shev, torres fiasco. Kagawa blatantly looks the better player to me and fills a much needed spot we have lacked.

-----Carrick--------Cleverly---------
Nani-------Kagawa------Welbeck----
-----------Rooney------------------

lets play Tiki-taka, looks lethal on paper. Cleverly and welbeck playing together are amazing.

 

[Arnau]

Rooney - Kagawa double false 9 like Ronaldo - Benzema

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I actually think you look like an awesome counter attacking side

Rooney
Nani-Kagawa-Valencia
Carrick-Fletcher(?)

 

[Arnau]

Counter attack is a resource but not a style in a big team. I think Man Utd will be interesting to watch next season, people like De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck etc.. are more experienced now and Kagawa is a great addition, not to mention SAF ability to rebuild the team...

 

[adedawson]

I actually think you look like an awesome counter attacking side

Rooney
Nani-Kagawa-Valencia
Carrick-Fletcher(?)

Fletcher... forgot about him. Scholes signed another year too. With any luck we will grab another CM. Plenty of options on the wings and attack. Stuffed in the middle if we have injuries.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Counter attack is a resource but not a style in a big team. I think Man Utd will be interesting to watch next season, people like De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck etc.. are more experienced now and Kagawa is a great addition, not to mention SAF ability to rebuild the team...

I don't know, Madrid and Dortmund have done a good job with it. Chelsea under Mourinho too.

Anyway, I've always been a big fan of Fletcher. Hope he comes back healthy.

 

[Arnau]

Madrid it's the best counter attacking team but it's not their game model. They don't give the ball to the rival, sit back, and wait for a counter.

 

[adedawson]

Anyway, I've always been a big fan of Fletcher. Hope he comes back healthy.

Such a shame, he was getting better and better. We need a marshal like him back. unfortunately I don't think we will ever see him at his best.

 

[Sir Calumn]

we will see. Hope hes doesn't turn into a shev, torres fiasco. Kagawa blatantly looks the better player to me and fills a much needed spot we have lacked.

-----Carrick--------Cleverly---------
Nani-------Kagawa------Welbeck----
-----------Rooney------------------

lets play Tiki-taka, looks lethal on paper. Cleverly and welbeck playing together are amazing.

You see, I like the look of that but I think it is let down by Carrick and those two you highlight. I think Cleverley and Welbeck are good players with good potential but I honestly dont think they are ready to take such key positions in a midfield alongside players like Kagawa, Nani and Rooney. I also think you need to replace Carrick, the ideal replacement being Modric.

 

[adedawson]

yeah I think we need another CM not because Carricks bad though, he had a brilliant season. Were stuff if anyone gets injured even with Kagawa, assuming we even get him.

That formation was to exploit their passing skills. There's lots of footage of Clev and wells together, brutal passing, read each other having played together so long. Mix that in with everyone else and you got something that can flow extremely effectively.

But Modric would be nice, no doubt about that. Hopefully we will get another CM, but i think it will be gifted to the youngsters and scholes signed another year.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Carrick is fine, he's been hated on his entire career, but that type of guy is necessary in a team that wants to keep possession. Again, my only problem is I don't know if Kagawa is necessarily the kind of patient player who pings the ball around endlessly. He's direct. His efficiency is probably his greatest strength.

 

[adedawson]

Carrick is fine, he's been hated on his entire career, but that type of guy is necessary in a team that wants to keep possession. Again, my only problem is I don't know if Kagawa is necessarily the kind of patient player who pings the ball around endlessly. He's direct. His efficiency is probably his greatest strength.

you have no doubt watched him more then I, but what I have seen is his passing to be one of his best assets. But anyway... we aint even got him yet. I think Japans internationals end very soon. Then we will know.

we really need some CM, we only got Carrick and Scholes. Cleverly, Anderson, Fletcher got injury problems. We dont want a repeat of last season injury nightmares. Playing with a bunch of wingers & jones on the pitch. I think Fletcher and Anderson will be let go if they don't return this season. Perhaps Fletcher kept in some capacity's.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Anderson started the season in great style but injuries ruined him. If he regains the same kind of form, he will kick ass. He is young too and has most probably not peaked yet. I have high hopes on him.

I think it will take a while for Fletcher to recover. His bowel disease will probably make him lose a lot of weight. He worked so hard to build up and now he has to start from scratch again.

 

[Mus]

Really? No work permit for Kagawa? It's like FM

 

[Pogba4Now]

Where did you read that?

 

[clash]

Espn:

the following criteria must be met for a work permit to be approved:

1. A player must have played for his country in at least 75% of its competitive "a" team matches (not including friendlies) he was available for selection, during the 2 years preceding the date of the application;

2. The player's country must be at or above 70th place in the official fifa world rankings when averaged over the 2 years preceding the date of the application; and

3. The application for a gbe must be made by a club in membership of the premier league or football league and the player will only play for clubs in membership of those leagues.

Having missed out on takeshi okada's squad for the 2010 world cup in south africa, kagawa failed to meeet the criteria of playing 75% of japan's matches over the past two years should united apply for a work permit now. This means that united will need to appeal the result of the verdict for the permit to be granted.

A way around this situation would be for the old trafford side to delay the move until mid-july, where the 2010 world cup games will not be eligible to be taken under consideration for the work permit.

In a similiar case last season, kagawa's international team mate ryo miyaichi's move to arsenal was also delayed by a work permit issue. The gunners appealed and miyaichi was successfuly granted a work permit on grounds of 'exceptional talent'.