English Mentality

[bigp]

I noticed that the English always consider the way they play as the way to play a game. There is always this mentality that English players don't dive and I think this is the reason why the media labels certain players as cheats and English refs make bad decisions in terms of penalties. When you see an English player dive, no one ever mentions anything. They never gain a reputation even though they do it repeatedly. But whenever a foreigner comes into the league and they dive once then they are immediately labelled a diver. Some of the infamous divers are Pires, Ronaldo, Diouf and now Reyes. Yes most of them dive but you never see them mention any english players like NEVILLE and Jeffers. And now these players can't even get penalties awarded to them like Reyes. He did not become the most fouled player in La Liga by diving. But that one questionable penalty in the League Cup gave him a reputation and they didn't give him anythign in the game last week. And I think that's why Arsenal always gets labelled as cheats. They are considered a foreign team compared to the rest of the teams and the English media and refs will always label them as cheats. But teams like Man Utd and Liverpool will never get that reputation as they have English players as their core.

Also I don't get why English people get worked up about certain players from other countries that want to play for them. Someone said in this forum that it doesn't sound right for a name like Edu on an English shirt. So I guess people like Shola Ameobi shouldn't play for England then. It's not like these players, Edu and Cudicini, wanted money or anything. You guys ever think that they love England? After all they are living there and making a living there.

I don't want to sound Anti-England or anything but I just hate it when a certain country or group thinks that they're better than everyone else. Just want to know if you people agree or disagree with this.

 

[Goalie233]

I don't know what you're talking about, but Neville has gotten a lot of **** for his diving actions recently.

 

[shokz]

Re: English Mentality

Originally posted by bigp
you never see them mention any english players like NEVILLE and Jeffers.

Where have you been?

Originally posted by bigp
I don't get why English people get worked up about certain players from other countries

Your not English, are you?

 

[hanek45]

Gary or Phillip N???????????

 

[Rob]

I bet you bigp dives.

 

[shokz]

Originally posted by hanek45
Gary or Phillip N???????????

Gary Neville.

 

[Help?]

Hmmm, Jeffers was called a diver for quite sometime, and Neville is being called a diver by some people in england. Plus Owen was called a diver lots of times as well. It's not like people don't call english players divers, it's just that no matter who dives, when that player dives he is labelled a diver for like half or 1 year and then if he didn't dive more than that, then everyone just forgets it and looks for somebody else. Ronaldo, Reyes, Pires etc. were the most recent divers, that's why people call them. Ronaldo of coarse gets the most sticks for being called a diver, when the last time he did it was half a year ago. People just get mad of him doing tricks on opponents and when he gets tackeled and the defender waves his arms, like saying he is innocent, people immediately say he dived, even when he didn't.



So imo it's all the same with any player from any country it's just that some get more sticks for it, then others. I think the better you perform, the longer you will be called a diver. Like Jeffers he is so quite now for Everton and everybody forgot that he dived, while Ronaldo is doing so well for United and everybody remembers that he dived.

 

[bigp]

Re: Re: English Mentality

Originally posted by shokz
Where have you been?



Your not English, are you?

I'm just saying the reputation won't stick. I bet next year no one will mention Gary as a diver.

I'm not English. I'm a Canuck. Which is why it bothers me that people get worked up when other players want to play for England but you all reject that idea. It's just discriminating a person from playing for a country that they want to represent. I thought England was a multicultural country.

 

[manutd4eva]

Re: Re: Re: English Mentality

Originally posted by bigp
I'm just saying the reputation won't stick. I bet next year no one will mention Gary as a diver.

He plays for Manchester United, so believe me, that title wont go away fast.

 

[shokz]

Re: Re: Re: English Mentality

Originally posted by bigp
I'm just saying the reputation won't stick. I bet next year no one will mention Gary as a diver.

Ruud van Nistelrooy is still being called a diver, despite not diving for well more than a year, perhaps two years.

But the country hates Manchester United, so I could care less.

Originally posted by bigp

It's just discriminating a person from playing for a country that they want to represent.

Discrimination - take a look at Germany when it comes to International Football, I won't go any further than that.

What would be the point in having an ENGLISH National Team if there were foreign players in the side with no English(or British) background/relatives.

 

[Bobby]

Francis Jeffers is forever branded a diver.

 

[mr haek]

wad is this?? if u want excellent and exciting football then follow the brazillian's style! Samba! Now thats what i call soccer!

 

[bigp]

RVN isn't English. So that's why he still gets labelled as a diver. I'm saying that the media won't get overly worked up and try and label an English player a diver. I just want to know next year if Gary is still labelled a diver. If he does then that just proves my arguement wrong.

As for Jeffers, I don't see the media talk much of him.


Germany has Asamoah on their team.
I'm just saying what if the person isn't English but loves England and wants to represent them? I don't see a problem with that.

 

[Elder]

Wow, Germany has Asamoah... the first black player for Germany!! In the year... 2001.

Do you have a problem with Hargreaves playing for England? He's a canuck like yourself... He should be playing for you!

 

[manutd4eva]

Originally posted by bigp
RVN isn't English. So that's why he still gets labelled as a diver.

No.

He constantly gets labelled as a diver because he plays for Manchester United.

 

[Sanel]

Originally posted by bigp
Germany has Asamoah on their team.

Asamoah - Ghanian
Klose - Polish
Neuville - Swiss
Kuranyi - Brazilian/German
Bobic - Slovenian

i dont agree with national teams calling up players that are not of that nationality.

like for example, Bosnia may have a Brazilian player on the national team soon and the guy is not related to Bosnia in any way, shape or form... he just plays in our premier league. if it was up to me and i was the coach of Bosnia i would only call up Bosnian players which we did so far, but this may be the first and surely the last.

 

[bigp]

But what if the brazilian loves Bosnia? I'm just saying you shouldn't discriminate a person from playing for your country because of his ethinicity. It's not like the Qatar situation where they're paying players to come join them. Some of these players might want to play for the country that they live in.

And as for Hargreaves. His dad was English. I'm pissed but I understand. He could've also played with Germany as his mom is German and he plays in Germany but his Dad played for Bolton so I can see why he wanted to make his Dad proud. And our Canadian team has a lot of players with different nationalities. But they want to represent Canada so I accept that.

 

[Elder]

Originally posted by bigp
But what if the brazilian loves Bosnia? I'm just saying you shouldn't discriminate a person from playing for your country because of his ethinicity. It's not like the Qatar situation where they're paying players to come join them. Some of these players might want to play for the country that they live in.

And as for Hargreaves. His dad was English. I'm pissed but I understand. He could've also played with Germany as his mom is German and he plays in Germany but his Dad played for Bolton so I can see why he wanted to make his Dad proud. And our Canadian team has a lot of players with different nationalities. But they want to represent Canada so I accept that.

The whole point of playing for a National Team is that you use the resources you have as a country to show your skill in the game. Just because a Brazilian loves a country, doesn't mean he should be able to play for that country. Otherwise, we just have Brazilians playing for every country because they are damn good footballers.

Also, in Europe there are very distinct and different cultures. To people it simple, Europeans don't like each other much. Just like different Asians, and South Americans etc. etc. When you suit up for the National Team you are playing for your country to beat the other countries ass. This way we don't have shooting wars, just football wars.

But we have something different here in the US and Canada. We have less strict laws on becoming a citizen and that's why we have such diversity on the pitch. Eventually, that diversity is going to make the US one of the best teams in the world. We already are, but a World Cup win is in the future.

 

[Sanel]

Originally posted by Elder
But we have something different here in the US and Canada. We have less strict laws on becoming a citizen and that's why we have such diversity on the pitch. Eventually, that diversity is going to make the US one of the best teams in the world. We already are, but a World Cup win is in the future.

i totally agree with you on this.

America in the future will be one of the best soccer teams in the world... kinda scary eh?

 

[Elder]

Originally posted by Sanel
i totally agree with you on this.

America in the future will be one of the best soccer teams in the world... kinda scary eh?

It's not scary to me, but I am sure it is scary to the rest of the world. As if America didn't have enough people hating it already. The one thing the world can always fall back on when it comes to America is "well, we know what football is and it's not played with a brown oblong ball."

If the US wins a World Cup, I bet people protest. 2010 is the target.. Donovan, Adu, Martino... they are all being groomed.