Arsenal Thread [2004-2005]

[x4dixont]

if arsenal have a chnace at winnning the league then so do we. its arsenal and man utd v chelsea u gots to beat them wen u playe em and so do we its gettin serious now 10 points friggin clear where is there blip??

 

[bigp]

Originally posted by PaPaGeorGeo
Youre actually not allowed to sign a Proffessional Contract till you Turn 17 and even the you dont have to right away.

The highly-rated 20-year-old rejected the offer of a first professional contract from l'OM after impressing during a season in which they managed to reach the Uefa Cup final.

from here http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,7-1144214,00.html

What i heard when this transfer was first happening was that in France you have to sign you're first Professional Contract with a french club (someone can correct me with that but im pretty sure im right). Flamini had a "Verbal" agreement with his club but nothing in writing so thats why they are pissed of also with the reason i said just above

Doesn't that apply to France only? I mean they can't impose their law on another country. I remember we did the same with Anelka.

 

[Bilo90]

Wenger finished with Alex (ferguson)

Wenger: Chelsea must lose

 

[nannyville]

i think bolton's win over arsenal yesterday has made the premiership very exciting turn.

now we all know chelsea is gona win it. it would be very difficult for them to all of a sudden start loosing.

but now the main focus is 2nd place between arsneal and manU

it will be very interesting

especially as manU are visiing highbury on feb. 1

 

[Mikey]

Originally posted by nannyville
i think bolton's win over arsenal yesterday has made the premiership very exciting turn.

now we all know chelsea is gona win it. it would be very difficult for them to all of a sudden start loosing.

but now the main focus is 2nd place between arsneal and manU

it will be very interesting

especially as manU are visiing highbury on feb. 1

You couldnt be more wrong. Wouldnt be a lot more exciting to have two teams challenging for the title, rather than the consolation???

 

[nannyville]

well i would say that arseanl vs manu is a more exciting rivalry than arsenal vs chelsea or manu vs chelsea

but thats just my opinion...

 

[DiSmithio]

So what if Chelsea play good football so do arsenal and man utd. But chelsea shud play the best football in the world for the money they have spent. I actually think what abramovich has done should never have been allowed. Its almost monopolised the premiership in chelseas favour as they can buy anyone they want to as they have no limits. I cannot possibly respect them when Arsene and Fergie have spent the same as mourinho over 8 or 9 years. Mourinho spent 90 mill in a month... SO THEY SHOULD BE TOP, THEY SHOULD WIN THE QUADRUPLE! I think its a real shame that Arsenal and Man United, two teams who have built an empire over years and years of hard work and intelligent buying are now fighting it out for 2nd place because of some russian billionaire. It has nothing to do with Chelsea as a club, theyve done bugger all but spend his money. Theres no skill in that whatsoever.

IF BY SOME MIRACLE chelsea fail to win the league this year, they can just flog some of their poorer players (smertin, tiago etc) and buy betetr players, and probably spend 100 mill next summer. Arsenal and United are both fighting losing causes, becuase of one man, not a club. Its all fake.

 

[Dreath]

Originally posted by DiSmithio
So what if Chelsea play good football so do arsenal and man utd. But chelsea shud play the best football in the world for the money they have spent. I actually think what abramovich has done should never have been allowed. Its almost monopolised the premiership in chelseas favour as they can buy anyone they want to as they have no limits. I cannot possibly respect them when Arsene and Fergie have spent the same as mourinho over 8 or 9 years. Mourinho spent 90 mill in a month... SO THEY SHOULD BE TOP, THEY SHOULD WIN THE QUADRUPLE! I think its a real shame that Arsenal and Man United, two teams who have built an empire over years and years of hard work and intelligent buying are now fighting it out for 2nd place because of some russian billionaire. It has nothing to do with Chelsea as a club, theyve done bugger all but spend his money. Theres no skill in that whatsoever.

IF BY SOME MIRACLE chelsea fail to win the league this year, they can just flog some of their poorer players (smertin, tiago etc) and buy betetr players, and probably spend 100 mill next summer. Arsenal and United are both fighting losing causes, becuase of one man, not a club. Its all fake.

I'm usually one of the guys who says Chelsea aren't buying the league, but you make some strong points....

 

[DiSmithio]

My thoughts are that Chelsea, if they wish, sorry, should i say Abramovich, if he wishes, can destroy English football with a click of his fingers. If Chelsea fail to win trophies, he will buy all of the best players on the planet, create a dreamteam and monopolise the league. No player on this planet is out of his reach. 2moro he could offer 500 Mill for thierry Henry if he wanted to, he could buy Ronaldinho, for any sum of money possible. This man has the power right at his finger tips to totally ruin English football by making Chelsea unbeatable, and therefore the Premiership unchallengable.

Thinking back, English football should never really have allowed the Abramovich take over to happen as this man is more powerful than the FA by hundreds of times. Isnt that ridiculous!? The governing body of English football is outpowered by one man and his bottomless pit of money. Its farcical really.

I do hope that Chelsea slip up and lose out, to either us or Man Utd, but even if they do, the summer is another 3 months where 100s of millions can be spent, and probably will be spent. Wenger and Fergie are battling a losing cause really.

 

[Eng4WorldCup]

Originally posted by DiSmithio
I cannot possibly respect them when Arsene and Fergie have spent the same as mourinho over 8 or 9 years. Mourinho spent 90 mill in a month...

ferguson has probably spent the total amount of chesleas last 2 years in his full reign at manure (id say approx)... however, if wenger kept managing arsenal, he would get to what chelsea have done in the last 2 years in abtou 50 years from NOW.

 

[Rob]

DiSmithio, money isn't everything.

Yes it is important but it isn't everything. If money was the onlth thing that mattered then Inter Milan would be dominating Europe, Real Madrid on top in Spain and so on.

If money was the only thing that mattered we would of won the title last year but that isn't the case. If Sven was managing Chelsea instead of Jose we wouldn't be on the top of the EPL summit.

The players play as a team, watch a game and watch every player track back and defend from the front, watch how they play for each other and for JM and watch the work ethic.

For 98 years Arsenal had more buying power then Chelsea and you never saw a Chelsea fan complain did you?

 

[Eng4WorldCup]

Originally posted by Rob
DiSmithio, money isn't everything.

Yes it is important but it isn't everything. If money was the onlth thing that mattered then Inter Milan would be dominating Europe, Real Madrid on top in Spain and so on.

If money was the only thing that mattered we would of won the title last year but that isn't the case. If Sven was managing Chelsea instead of Jose we wouldn't be on the top of the EPL summit.

The players play as a team, watch a game and watch every player track back and defend from the front, watch how they play for each other and for JM and watch the work ethic.

For 98 years Arsenal had more buying power then Chelsea and you never saw a Chelsea fan complain did you?

and not even 1 of those years was:
a) more than 20-25% more than chelski
b) suddenly maximised over 200% of the last year

 

[DiSmithio]

Look Rob, i have no doubt about the Chelsea work ethic and yes your team is playing well, but so you bloody should be. BUT, you cannot possibly deny, that you would not have these players, who work so hard for each other, if it wasnt for Abramovich. You would not have Makelele, Cech, Robben, Duff, Drogba, Ferreira, Bridge, Kezman, Joe Cole, Glen Johnson, Geremi, Carvalho and last season you would not have had Veron, Crespo and Mutu. Lets be honest mate, before Roman came, you had no money whatsoever, so if it was not for him, youd still be in huge debt and you would certainly not be where you are now, and probably wouldnt have Mourinho as manager either. Your argument has nothing to back it up.

So what if we had more money than you, for what you say 98 years. Its not like we went and spent 150 mill over 2 summers. Weve probably not spent much over that in those 98 years.

Are you honestly proud of the way your club has made itself the top of the league? Sure you might be happy, but are you proud, becuase your Club has done bugger all to achieve this, its down to one man, no one else, and I think you know it.

 

[DiSmithio]

IN FACT, i disagree that we had more spnding power than you for 98 years anyway. I remember that before you got yourself into debt, you seemed to spent a heap load more than Arsenal in the close seasons for many years, Lets not forget you spent 11 mill on Lampard what 3 or 4 seasons ago. We didnt even spend that much on Henry. Get a grip

 

[HenryHyoga]

Does anybody know if Arsenal is gonna get New Players...???

And can ya'll name the Reserve Players that are not in Arsenal no more...???

Thanks...

 

[bjmenge]

Rob, it's starting to get a bit annoying how you are trying to totally discount Roman's billions as a major factor in Chelsea's success this season. Yes, Mourinho is a good manager. While I haven't seen them play this year, I'll take your word on the work ethic and teamwork, etc. But do you think his tactics and coaching would mean fuck all, if players like LeBoeuf and Ferrer were on the pitch and Bosnich or DeGoey was in goal? I'm not saying that money did everything for them, but it sure has helped. True, Arsenal has probably been able to spend more in the past than Chelsea, but 200 million pounds in two summers? Not even close. It's sickening. I've hated Real Madrid for years for doing it, and I'd hate Chelsea for doing it, even if they were in the Swiss League. It's not that they're a rival, it's just that they are spending too damn much. I think there needs to be some sort of spending limit, in football. The Yankees have ruined baseball for years doing so, and I do not want to see that happen to football.

That said, congrats to Chelsea, on building their 10-point lead. Good luck holding on to it.

 

[Dreath]

Originally posted by Rob
DiSmithio, money isn't everything.

Yes it is important but it isn't everything. If money was the onlth thing that mattered then Inter Milan would be dominating Europe, Real Madrid on top in Spain and so on.

If money was the only thing that mattered we would of won the title last year but that isn't the case. If Sven was managing Chelsea instead of Jose we wouldn't be on the top of the EPL summit.

The players play as a team, watch a game and watch every player track back and defend from the front, watch how they play for each other and for JM and watch the work ethic.

For 98 years Arsenal had more buying power then Chelsea and you never saw a Chelsea fan complain did you?

Here's a funny little fact.
Chelsea spent more in 3 months than Arsenal have in their entire history.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by Eng4WorldCup
and not even 1 of those years was:
a) more than 20-25% more than chelski
b) suddenly maximised over 200% of the last year

(a) Oh bullsh*t it wasn't more then 20-25%. What about when we where Division 2 and you where in the top league after bribing yourself into Div1?

(b) Wrong, Chelsea is a club still in debt.

The bonds are still being repayed under the terms of the agreement that was signed to seal the bond. This would mean that we are still repaying the loan but they said it was only because there would have been still financial penalties for early repayment. In 2007 we will be debt free.

Originally posted by Eng4WorldCup
Look Rob, i have no doubt about the Chelsea work ethic and yes your team is playing well, but so you bloody should be. BUT, you cannot possibly deny, that you would not have these players, who work so hard for each other, if it wasnt for Abramovich. You would not have Makelele, Cech, Robben, Duff, Drogba, Ferreira, Bridge, Kezman, Joe Cole, Glen Johnson, Geremi, Carvalho and last season you would not have had Veron, Crespo and Mutu. Lets be honest mate, before Roman came, you had no money whatsoever, so if it was not for him, youd still be in huge debt and you would certainly not be where you are now, and probably wouldnt have Mourinho as manager either. Your argument has nothing to back it up.

So what if we had more money than you, for what you say 98 years. Its not like we went and spent 150 mill over 2 summers. Weve probably not spent much over that in those 98 years.

Are you honestly proud of the way your club has made itself the top of the league? Sure you might be happy, but are you proud, becuase your Club has done bugger all to achieve this, its down to one man, no one else, and I think you know it.

Lets get this right, Abramovich is here, we still are in debt but they are on course to get payed back.

No Mourinho wouldn't be our manager and we wouldn't have many of the players you suggested but lets get real, Abramovich is here and we do have Mourinho and the managers but that isn't the sole reason we are on top. Kenyon has made fantastic signings getting Jose, and Jose has made purchased some fantastic players.

Why don't you goto a baseball forum and talk about the New York Yankees. God knows they spend more then everyone else and win the majority of the time and then there are teams that prove money isn't everything and win it also.

But its one thing to have all the ingredients, and another thing to know how to bake the cake.

Your argument that Abramovich is an insult to the hours the players have put in, and the coaching staff and everyone at the Chelsea Football Club taken along this wonderful ride.

Now since you think we are going to monopolize everything, I am wondering if you will apply your trade into business and come to Australia and make wonderful long speeches about Telstra and then go to the United States and talk about Microsoft because those companies really piss me off.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by bjmenge
Rob, it's starting to get a bit annoying how you are trying to totally discount Roman's billions as a major factor in Chelsea's success this season. Yes, Mourinho is a good manager. While I haven't seen them play this year, I'll take your word on the work ethic and teamwork, etc. But do you think his tactics and coaching would mean fuck all, if players like LeBoeuf and Ferrer were on the pitch and Bosnich or DeGoey was in goal? I'm not saying that money did everything for them, but it sure has helped. True, Arsenal has probably been able to spend more in the past than Chelsea, but 200 million pounds in two summers? Not even close. It's sickening. I've hated Real Madrid for years for doing it, and I'd hate Chelsea for doing it, even if they were in the Swiss League. It's not that they're a rival, it's just that they are spending too damn much. I think there needs to be some sort of spending limit, in football. The Yankees have ruined baseball for years doing so, and I do not want to see that happen to football.

That said, congrats to Chelsea, on building their 10-point lead. Good luck holding on to it.

I never discounted it. Not once you f*cking ignoramus but the way you Gooners are going on about it being the sole reason is idiotic.

Just like Wenger with his eyesight you only see what you want to see on these forums.

 

[DiSmithio]

Rob, come on man, youve got to be honest with yourself. HONESTLY WOULD YOU BE WHERE YOU ARE NOW, if it was not for the russians money? Take away all the players hes bought, take away Mourinho, take away your new training ground, take away all of his money. Honestly, answer this, would your Club be running away with the Premiership? Be honest now.

No, i dont think you would be, and the Premiership would be a betetr, and fairer place for that matter, with teams winning titles on merit.