UEFA President a HATER on Chelsea

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Fining Chelsea is pointless - UEFA chief

UEFA president Lennart Johansson admits fining Chelsea is a waste of time and wants a more severe punishment to be made available when mega-rich clubs fall out of line.

The Premiership champions are likely to have to pay up after picking up six yellow cards in Tuesday's stormy 2-2 Champions League draw with Barcelona.

Competition rules state there is an automatic fine for five or more bookings in one game but Johansson acknowledges this will be no deterrent to the mega-rich Blues.

'I do not believe in fines when Chelsea have the money they have to pay it. It must be judged differently,' Johansson said in the Sunday Mirror.

'It's like any crime - when it happens the first time you are treated in a fairly decent way but, if you repeat the crime, sentencing is much tougher.

'Sometimes we are not severe enough.'




This is gayyyyy, i hate this guy, wat he thinks he can bend the rules for one freakin team! wat the hell, man Chelsea arent the only teams who pay alot for their players ahem *real madrid, and plus its the teams we buy from demand for high prices pffff This stupid guy sucks, my Vote goes to Platini ,

 

[ShearerM4]

You're an ignoramous.

Tell me exactly what is wrong with what he says?

If a head of the UEFA or FA said "Chelsea have blue kits" some of you would take offense and claim they HATE you. Ridiculous.

 

[untouchable]

He's right, take off the blue tinted shades for one minute.

 

[Mandieta6]

I understand where he's coming from, but I don't remember him complaining when Real Madrid were 'relinquishing the world from their footballing images and sitting them on the bench.' I don't see the problem with Abramovich spending all that money, it's his money, and he wants to buy world-class players. It's not like he's bribing them, or forcing anyone to sell their players. Every player has a price, and Chelsea have the money to pay for them.

 

[ShearerM4]

This is gayyyyy, i hate this guy, wat he thinks he can bend the rules for one freakin team! wat the hell, man Chelsea arent the only teams who pay alot for their players ahem *real madrid, and plus its the teams we buy from demand for high prices pffff This stupid guy sucks, my Vote goes to Platini ,

What has "paying a lot for players" have to do with anything here? did you even read what was said in the article?

He's talking about how standard fines mean nothing to Chelsea because they have more financial power than your average top flight club. Are you saying that is untrue? He's also saying that fines should be in proportion to wealth like in everyday justice. Are you disagreeing with that?

Finally he doesnt mention Real Madrid because they don't get into trouble and cause controversy almost every single CL game. Therefore have nothing to do with this debate.

Simple really, no?

I'm sure Platini is well chuffed you are backing him. But the Platters is a man who backs fairness in the game, so he probably thinks the exact same on this issue.

 

[Fernandez]

He was talking about rich clubs in general, not just Chelsea. He merely used Chelsea as an example.

 

[Socrates]

I understand where he's coming from, but I don't remember him complaining when Real Madrid were 'relinquishing the world from their footballing images and sitting them on the bench.' I don't see the problem with Abramovich spending all that money, it's his money, and he wants to buy world-class players. It's not like he's bribing them, or forcing anyone to sell their players. Every player has a price, and Chelsea have the money to pay for them.

How did we get into the converastion? He was just stating that a more severe punishment needs to be played for richer clubs which makes sense...does it not?

 

[pede54]

No what he actually said was "'I do not believe in fines when Chelsea have the money they have to pay it. It must be judged differently,'.

The fines are pretty small as it happens so those comments were actually not needed at all. Does a rich guy get fined more than a poor guy for a parking offence, which is also a fixed penalty? No he does not. He pays the same standard fine as the poor guy pays. Thats called justice. Anything else would be discrimination, and discrimination was what Lennard was spouting.

Dont forget that he actually personally attacked Roman Abromovich during that statement, questioning his character and the source of his income. Now that was libelous and I hear that Roman is gonna sue Lennard for libel. Why pick on Roman if Lennard was just taliking "generally"?

He did not mention any other club and he was not generallising at all. he was very specific. He was talking about Chelsea only.

Like it or not, he was airing his personal views on Chelsea as a club, but to air those views in public and to the media was out of order considering the position he holds. He does not even sit on the disciplinary board so he should just keep out of it anyway.

Strange he does not mention Barcelona regarding the behaviour of their manager at the end of the game, or the missile throwing incidents by some Barca fans.

Oh and guess what? Barcelona incredibly, have no charges to answer according to UEFA, so they have been let off the hook. Seems fair?.....Not at all. Also not one person has critisized UEFA on here for allowing Rijkaard to escape any punishment for his behavior. Thats bias for you.

Would UEFA have dropped the charges if Jose would have accosted the ref at the end of the game?.....I do not think so.

Don't get me wrong here. This aint a whinge, its just me trying to put you numbskulls straight. We dont care if UEFA or indeed every fan in the world hates Chelsea. Your opinions about Chelsea mean nothing to us so that instantly negates a need to find any reason to explain anything to anyone, as far as I am concerned.

Just dont ignore the obvious just because Chelsea are involved.

 

[ShearerM4]

... seeing your name having posted in here I honestly thought, for once you weren't going to go down that all too familar "victims of the world" road, and maybe see this objectively.

Won't be making that mistake again, how predictable :funny:

 

[pede54]

I could say the same thing to you mate. Hypocrite.

If your club EVER become any good then you will see just how it is mate. No fear of that though is there huh?

 

[ShearerM4]

I could say the same thing to you mate. Hypocrite.

How do you work that out then?

If your club EVER become any good then you will see just how it is mate. No fear of that though is there huh?

Classy

 

[Vedran-10]

No what he actually said was "'I do not believe in fines when Chelsea have the money they have to pay it. It must be judged differently,'.

The fines are pretty small as it happens so those comments were actually not needed at all. Does a rich guy get fined more than a poor guy for a parking offence, which is also a fixed penalty? No he does not. He pays the same standard fine as the poor guy pays. Thats called justice. Anything else would be discrimination, and discrimination was what Lennard was spouting.

Dont forget that he actually personally attacked Roman Abromovich during that statement, questioning his character and the source of his income. Now that was libelous and I hear that Roman is gonna sue Lennard for libel. Why pick on Roman if Lennard was just taliking "generally"?

He did not mention any other club and he was not generallising at all. he was very specific. He was talking about Chelsea only.

Like it or not, he was airing his personal views on Chelsea as a club, but to air those views in public and to the media was out of order considering the position he holds. He does not even sit on the disciplinary board so he should just keep out of it anyway.

Strange he does not mention Barcelona regarding the behaviour of their manager at the end of the game, or the missile throwing incidents by some Barca fans.

Oh and guess what? Barcelona incredibly, have no charges to answer according to UEFA, so they have been let off the hook. Seems fair?.....Not at all. Also not one person has critisized UEFA on here for allowing Rijkaard to escape any punishment for his behavior. Thats bias for you.

Would UEFA have dropped the charges if Jose would have accosted the ref at the end of the game?.....I do not think so.

Don't get me wrong here. This aint a whinge, its just me trying to put you numbskulls straight. We dont care if UEFA or indeed every fan in the world hates Chelsea. Your opinions about Chelsea mean nothing to us so that instantly negates a need to find any reason to explain anything to anyone, as far as I am concerned.

Just dont ignore the obvious just because Chelsea are involved.

I agree partly. It is out of line for any UEFA official, let alone the president.
He shouldn't attack any club, but you have to realize that this is Mourinho's cooking, too. He made you enemies, and this makes it obvious that the area of his "activity" wasn't limited to clubs only. He brought the wrath of UEFA upon Chelsea with the Frisk incident, and that's something you should remember when talking about Chelsea being victimized. The first ones who were victimized were Frisk, and through him as an official and representative - UEFA. By Mourinho, to be exact. I disagree with what UEFA is doing, because they should stay in line no matter what happened in the past, but still, it's understandable why things like this occur.
I think Mourinho and his impact at Chelsea was discussed to death, so I won't go there. What I wanted to say is, what goes around, comes around. This is not as much of an attack on Chelsea as it is on Mourinho IMO, because remember, he's the "enemy of football".
And to finish this part of my post, I'll say that this isn't happening for no reason. Mourinho brought you success, but this is the other side of the medal.
A good part of the blame goes to him, too. Not just UEFA.

But to continue to what I originally wanted to say, because Chelsea and UEFA aren't really my concern. I think the idea of introducing a new form of punishment is justified. Not just for Chelsea, and not just for rich clubs, but for all clubs. I should say that I disagree with your statement that this is no different than parking tickets. Parking tickets are meaningless. But yellow cards, red cards, fights between ultras, throwing things on the pitch, accusing the referee, pretty much anything that goes against the rules of football should be dealt with more seriously. These things compromise the essence of the game. For example, it's a much more beautiful game without too many fouls, than when you have players fighting all over the field. A fine can mean nothing, but a more severe punishment that would really, really hurt would be something completely different.
For example, if Chelsea were fined 10M for earning 6 yellows, you wouldn't feel it. The same thing goes for Barca, Milan, Man Utd, Madrid, Bayern, and every other big club that is never affected by a fine. Those "punishments" are a laugh.
But if we had severe punishments, it would mean these anti-football elements would be successfully fought off.
I'll take the example of Rijkaard confronting the ref after the 2-2. I was disappointed with that. A fine wouldn't mean anything to us.
But if UEFA were to ban Rijkaard for one game, it would be another story.

I'm going into specifics thinking of possible punishments, but I won't go there now, it's not that important anyway.

The point is, there should be sanctions that are equally hurtful both for those poor clubs who can't afford electricity in their offices, and for those rich ones that have money to burn, like Chelsea. Money shouldn't be a factor here, because I think football is already heavily influenced by money, so this is actually a way for rich clubs to buy their way out of a (real) punishment.
At least the discipline shouldn't be money related, when everything else is.

 

[pede54]

Well you can argue that Jose made an enemy of UEFA. That might be the case, but that does not excuse the president of UEFA coming out with personal insults against Chelsea's owner and the club, in public to the media. There is no excuse for that. That is small minded and petty.

Johansson knew he made a fu<k up because within an hour he made another statement excusing what he said earlier as he tried to worm out of his own crap. It was too late. It was an anti Chelsea rant pure and simple which showed us that even UEFA cannot keep an impartial opinion when it comes to their "favourite" clubs and their less "favourite" clubs.

There is no way to base a fine or punishment on how rich or how poor a club might be. Whats the point in that anyway when UEFA will always punish certain clubs but will always let off other clubs that they favour.

Take the other night. Why did Rijkaard get let off? He overstepped the line and broke serious UEFA regulations which should result in at least a 2 match ban. He got nothing. What did they do about the 2 incidents that involved Marquez that were clearly seen when UEFA watched the match video? Nothing.

It is not coincidental that the ref stopped booking Barca players at 4 yellow cards, even though offences were committed after the 4th card, but continued to book Chelsea players until the final whistle.

Why did UEFA have nothing to say about Barca players surrounding the ref and brandishing imaginary cards all night? It is an offence to do that so why no action by UEFA over it.

Chelsea get the fines and Barca walk away scott free.

You know why and I know why. It is corrupt for UEFA to have double standards. Every club should be treated the same. Anything other than that is prejudiced.

Personally I dont give a crap about what UEFA might think. I dont really give a crap what anyone thinks actually, but although it might suit a lot of people to see Chelsea singled out, it is still pretty shocking to see Europes governing football organisation carry on like this. Its amatuer, its petty and it stinks.

 

[treble41]

Aren't guys like big Lennart supposed to be impartial? They should be like referee's, enforcing the rules, not making them for a specific team.

He's an effin moron for just randomly saying this. Where was he during that Portugal Netharlands game during the WC. Both those two teams are from UEFA even though they were playing in a FIFA tournament, just like Chelsea's from UEFA but are playing in a FA tournament in this case. He should honestly stay out of it if he's gonna say something this stupid.

 

[Vedran-10]

Well you can argue that Jose made an enemy of UEFA. That might be the case, but that does not excuse the president of UEFA coming out with personal insults against Chelsea's owner and the club, in public to the media. There is no excuse for that. That is small minded and petty.

Johansson knew he made a fu<k up because within an hour he made another statement excusing what he said earlier as he tried to worm out of his own crap. It was too late. It was an anti Chelsea rant pure and simple which showed us that even UEFA cannot keep an impartial opinion when it comes to their "favourite" clubs and their less "favourite" clubs.

There is no way to base a fine or punishment on how rich or how poor a club might be. Whats the point in that anyway when UEFA will always punish certain clubs but will always let off other clubs that they favour.

Take the other night. Why did Rijkaard get let off? He overstepped the line and broke serious UEFA regulations which should result in at least a 2 match ban. He got nothing. What did they do about the 2 incidents that involved Marquez that were clearly seen when UEFA watched the match video? Nothing.

It is not coincidental that the ref stopped booking Barca players at 4 yellow cards, even though offences were committed after the 4th card, but continued to book Chelsea players until the final whistle.

Why did UEFA have nothing to say about Barca players surrounding the ref and brandishing imaginary cards all night? It is an offence to do that so why no action by UEFA over it.

Chelsea get the fines and Barca walk away scott free.

You know why and I know why. It is corrupt for UEFA to have double standards. Every club should be treated the same. Anything other than that is prejudiced.

Personally I dont give a crap about what UEFA might think. I dont really give a crap what anyone thinks actually, but although it might suit a lot of people to see Chelsea singled out, it is still pretty shocking to see Europes governing football organisation carry on like this. Its amatuer, its petty and it stinks.

I never said UEFA had an excuse. I said it was understandable considering what had happened.

Like I said, you have an enemy in UEFA. We don't have Mourinho. That's the reason for double standards, as far as post-match sanctions go. With the 4 cards, I think you're going too far.
I dislike any kind of favouritism, though.

As for us being let off the hook, I don't know about that. I saw an article saying we'd get fined for people throwing stuff at Chelsea players. I don't know if this went through, but I'm pretty sure it will, if it hasn't already.

However, it is unfair to not punish Rijkaard, I concede that. That's the only sign of favouritism I've seen so far following that match.

Don't confuse anti-Chelsea with pro-Barca. One has nothing to do with the other. You'd still be treated the same if it was some other club, not Barca.

 

[Kibe Kru]

No fear of that though is there huh?

That coming from a Chelsea fan is a bit weird. Where were Chelsea 5 years ago?

As for Lennart, he shouldn't have said that, even though it's true the fines mean nothing to Chelsea (or Man U, or Liverpool for that matter). There's not much UEFA can do though, as heavier fines would only mean smaller clubs wouldn't be able to afford them.

 

[pede54]

Five years ago we were where we are at now but not quite such a threat to everyone. Chelsea didn't just appear after Roman arrived you mug.

Now is what matters and right now we are the Champions. Newcastle have spent 400 million pounds attempting to build a successful team and have got nowhere.Five managers and 400 million quid has not made a diffence at all. That proves that its not all about how much money you have. Its about how you spend it and if you have a manager who is good enough to assimilate all those players into a winning side. We have that.

Anyway ShearerM4 accused me of not being objective. He was actually not being very objective either hence the "hypocrite" tag.

Its very difficult when something is so subjective to be objective, as is the case with Johansson and his comments.

 

[Rob]

This is the same man that fined Atletico Madrid 800 euros for racism. You know, because that imposes financial hardship on Madrid? But he still did it.

He has no idea. A fine means nothing to a number of clubs, Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United.

What is a 30,000, 40,000 pounds fine to them? Honestly.

 

[Dream Team]

However, it is unfair to not punish Rijkaard, I concede that. That's the only sign of favouritism I've seen so far following that match.

Punish Rijkaard? why?

Then Mourinho should be punished too. He came off the bench to complain when the ref showed Ashley Cole a yellow card.

Everytime Rijkaard is close to a ref there's a new conspiracy.

 

[Kibe Kru]

Five years ago we were where we are at now but not quite such a threat to everyone. Chelsea didn't just appear after Roman arrived you mug.

You know exactly what I meant, don't pretend you didn't.

This "all the world is against us" attitude is surprising. Sure, not everyone likes Chelsea, but that doesn't mean they all hate the club, or give a damn about it. Johansson said he'd like to see things done differently about Chelsea, but he CAN'T actually make it, just like he can't make it different about Milan or any other club, so why bother?