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Socrates

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Kibe Kru heres a part of an article where Ronaldo talks about the schdeule and how he thinks that players need to be heard over the fixtures.

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Brazil striker Ronaldo wants soccer's authorities to listen to the players before adding to an ever growing fixture list.

At present, nobody cares about the consequences of too much football, he said in an interview with Reuters.

Ronaldo also defended the multi-million dollar salaries earned by modern-day players, described Argentine and Uruguayan defenders as specialists in provocation and said he would continue to play for Brazil for as long as he enjoyed it.

Ronaldo fell victim to fixture congestion problems earlier this year when he landed himself in hot water by asking Brazil to rest him from the Confederations Cup.

Coach Carlos Alberto Parreira, who had warned that the national team was more important than holidays, eventually agreed -- but also released him from the preceding two World Cup qualifiers, including one away to Argentina.

"I fought to have my holidays respected, otherwise one season would have run into the other and in the year before the World Cup this would have been complicated," said the Real Madrid player.

"The players don't have time to unwind. In Europe we have two competitions which are very important, the Spanish championship and the Champions League, and this gives you very little time to recover."

"I think the right thing would be for the players' opinions to be heard. We're the ones who put on the show, we go onto the field, we play every weekend, sometimes twice a week, so I think it would be important to hear what we've got to say."

"But this doesn't happen at the moment. Unfortunately, the players as a profession are not united and not many people listen to us."

"When they draw up the calendar, the last thing they think about is the physical condition of the players. Nobody thinks about whether we can complete a year playing three competitions, other things are more important."

Although he did not enjoy being dropped by Brazil, Ronaldo says the incident is water under the bridge as he gears up for his fourth World Cup in Germany next year.
 

Jambo Den

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PSVFOREVER said:
Cant really say i care about the NT.

Ditto. And that's not just because my own NT is pish, because so is my club really :p

I feel the best measure for this argument is going on an away trip with both club and country as I have done. Both are brilliant experiences, but the club... it has so much more of an edge to it than with country, and scoring/winning is an unbelievable buzz.

I've become increasingly disinterested with International football now. All I look out for is to see that all of Hearts' players come back unscathed.
 

Kibe Kru

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Socrates said:
Kibe Kru heres a part of an article where Ronaldo talks about the schdeule and how he thinks that players need to be heard over the fixtures.
I wonder if he ever considered asking to be rested in La Liga... I doubt it... I mean... the confed cup is 5 matches long, and the qualifiers are 18 matches over 3 years... sure the confed cup is worth nothing, and I wouldn't miss it if it ceased to exist... but complaining about match congestion and asking not to play for the NT shows how much he cares about pride compared to money...
 

Socrates

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Kibe Kru said:
I wonder if he ever considered asking to be rested in La Liga... I doubt it... I mean... the confed cup is 5 matches long, and the qualifiers are 18 matches over 3 years... sure the confed cup is worth nothing, and I wouldn't miss it if it ceased to exist... but complaining about match congestion and asking not to play for the NT shows how much he cares about pride compared to money...

About being rested in La Liga, i think he is too important to be rested where as in the Confed Cup Brasil has lots of other forwards that can play instead of Ronaldo. Its not only the matches but also being in another country for a month rather than being on your vacation/holiday is also part of it. The players play in too many matches as it is.

Does Ronaldo care about the money?? Of course he does, here is another piece of the article where he says its justified that he gets paied millions which i dont really agree with him.

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Being paid millions of dollars for kicking a ball around a pitch is something which Ronaldo believes is justified.

"I think so," he said when asked if he deserved his salary.

"I think we provide joy and happiness for a lot of people. Football is a business which generates millions and millions of dollars and I think we're the biggest stars in football, so I think we must be well paid to do this."

He added that footballers also tried to make a positive contribution in return.

"I've been a United Nations ambassador for eight years and I'm very active with a lot of missions," he said.

"I would like more players to take part in these things, there are quite a few involved today but it's still not enough."

"In our condition as superstars, we have credibility. This type of social work is important and I think footballers have to use their image to pass on a positive message."
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Although his work with the UN is a plus (Y)
 

Kibe Kru

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Socrates said:
About being rested in La Liga, i think he is too important to be rested where as in the Confed Cup Brasil has lots of other forwards that can play instead of Ronaldo. Its not only the matches but also being in another country for a month rather than being on your vacation/holiday is also part of it. The players play in too many matches as it is.
I hope you're not telling me Madrid doesn't have enough attackers...

I know Brazil have other forwards, but if he was called up, someone thinks it was important for him to play... it's not up to me, you or him decide what matches are important and which ones are not... if Luxemburgo thinks he's important in a second leg match in which Madrid can lose by 10 goals, he'll play... the same way, if Parreira decides he's important in a confed cup match, he's got to play... it doesn't matter if it's his holiday...

about his UN work, it's good and everything, but I think it's nothing more than his obligation... I believe anyone who can do something to help people who need it, whether by donating money, making social work, or just by holding their hands should do it...
 

Socrates

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Kibe Kru said:
I hope you're not telling me Madrid doesn't have enough attackers...

I know Brazil have other forwards, but if he was called up, someone thinks it was important for him to play... it's not up to me, you or him decide what matches are important and which ones are not... if Luxemburgo thinks he's important in a second leg match in which Madrid can lose by 10 goals, he'll play... the same way, if Parreira decides he's important in a confed cup match, he's got to play... it doesn't matter if it's his holiday...

about his UN work, it's good and everything, but I think it's nothing more than his obligation... I believe anyone who can do something to help people who need it, whether by donating money, making social work, or just by holding their hands should do it...

Of all the attackers he would be the last to be rested though. With the league you need to try and win every match so every game you need your best players to start, thats why he is needed is what i meant.

So your telling me that no matter how tired a player is he should play as long as he is being called up?? Thats pretty harsh. Considering how many games they play each season plus the training, i think its a bit harsh to be calling them up for useless tournaments like the Confed Cup, instead call up the other youngers players who dont play too much for the club but need the experience to develope thier skill. Add to that, that Brazil doenst play too good when they dont care about the match so it would be better overall.

If Luxe ever thinks like that than i will lable him as an idiot, any manager that does that is an idiot. Think about it if you were the manager, play one of your best players in a match that is already over and risk him getting injured/more tired and the next match is a really important match in the league just 3 days away. Surely you would rest him??

I cant really speak for his views about his UN work becuase i dont know him personally but as long as his doing it, its good for him. Even if its his obligation to do it, at least he is helping people out.
 

Lean

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Well, Country over Club usually, but i've never seen Guarani win a god damn title (we only won it when i wasnt alive...), and i guess i would be MUCH happier with Guarani being Champions of something than Brazil winning the World Cup.
 

Kibe Kru

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Socrates said:
Of all the attackers he would be the last to be rested though. With the league you need to try and win every match so every game you need your best players to start, thats why he is needed is what i meant.

So your telling me that no matter how tired a player is he should play as long as he is being called up?? Thats pretty harsh. Considering how many games they play each season plus the training, i think its a bit harsh to be calling them up for useless tournaments like the Confed Cup, instead call up the other youngers players who dont play too much for the club but need the experience to develope thier skill. Add to that, that Brazil doenst play too good when they dont care about the match so it would be better overall.

If Luxe ever thinks like that than i will lable him as an idiot, any manager that does that is an idiot. Think about it if you were the manager, play one of your best players in a match that is already over and risk him getting injured/more tired and the next match is a really important match in the league just 3 days away. Surely you would rest him??

I cant really speak for his views about his UN work becuase i dont know him personally but as long as his doing it, its good for him. Even if its his obligation to do it, at least he is helping people out.
Of course winning a league game is important, and I understand he'd be the last to be rested... but Real have other players... the same way the seleção have other players, but may feel he's important... Ronaldinho imho is more important to Barça than Ronaldo is to Madrid... yet he played the confed... Ronaldinho also moves more in the field than Ronaldo, and is therefore more subject to being tired...

The fact that a player is called up means he has to show up and be at the national coach disposal for playing or sitting on the bench... if Parreira thinks he'll get injured while playing, he won't play him... no coach in their right mind would... that means the player himself can't, in my view, feel bigger than a club, let alone a national team...

about playing too many games, in Brazil players play 46 matches in the league, plus libertadores, sudamericana, brazilian cup and regionals... I can't remember any of them refusing to be called up...
if Parreira wanted the youngsters to have a chance to prove themselves, he'd call the youngsters up.. but he didn't, he wanted to have a full side to clash against some of the top nations full sides, to see where he'd need to improve... in short, what I mean is: Parreira is the one who can decide what's better for Brazil... it doesn't matter what we think about it...

About the example I gave you, it was just to highlight the hierarchy... coaches tell the players what to do, not the other way around... and it's not like Ronaldo would have to hurry back to Spain to play an important match... the confed final was June 29th... the first league match was Aug 28th... two months for him to rest... if you want a month preseason, it's still a month to eat as many pies as he could...
 


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