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US World Cup Aftermath
- Thread starter juventusita
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i didn't have USA going through the group stage once i saw the actual draw last year... it wasn't because i didn't think they weren't good enough, but it was because i thought their group was just too difficult to get through. after i saw the way they played and the coaching techniques led me to believe they wouldn't have made it through most groups. 4 freagin shots on net in three games, oops two games because they had 0 shots vs italy! USA performed poorly and this is just that they don't qaulify.
also ghana, i believe will perform better against brazil than usa would because of ghana's physical play.
also ghana, i believe will perform better against brazil than usa would because of ghana's physical play.
::shinji::
Min
Filipower said:
man, don't be an idiot, he didn't say sh!t about Portugal.
Ghana (former British colony) is an English speaking country...Tom said:with you on the South Korea thing Juventista.
Agree with most of the things you say actually, still just a pity the U.S couldnt join us and Australia in the last 16, three english speaking nations would have been nice.
(dont know about the african countries languages)
juventusita
Senior Squad
Tom said:with you on the South Korea thing Juventista.
Agree with most of the things you say actually, still just a pity the U.S couldnt join us and Australia in the last 16, three english speaking nations would have been nice.
(dont know about the african countries languages
I'm an Aussie fan, and an even bigger Cahill and Viduka fan. Quality, quality players. Please get Schwarzer back in there though.
And Toon Army, I argue with you because you say what does a manager matter? You are saying the American players clearly aren't talented enough to compete with Europe and South America at the moment, but they are. My argument was that Arena's conservative tactics, combined with some very questionable, actually criminal refereeing decisions, hindered the quality of those players a good bit and makes people like you believe that it was just because they "aren't good enough."
wasn't donovan they guy who came back from germany cuz he'd rather play on the MLS? or am i reading too much into espn interviews?.
anyways the ghana match was yours to win, the other 2 games the best you could've hoped for was a draw. The unlucky ones were the czechs that lost all their strikers and couldn't make it out of this group, i think the biggest desicion for whoever picks your nt next is how to play, if it was up to me i'd try to use the speed which seems to be your best attribute atm.
anyways the ghana match was yours to win, the other 2 games the best you could've hoped for was a draw. The unlucky ones were the czechs that lost all their strikers and couldn't make it out of this group, i think the biggest desicion for whoever picks your nt next is how to play, if it was up to me i'd try to use the speed which seems to be your best attribute atm.
Jedi Mind Trick
Starting XI
Num Lock said:
yup that's him.
TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
Two points here I vehemently must disagree with
First, the red card on Mastroeni was deserved. Remove the damn bias man. You take out an opponent two footed, studs up at full speed and barely get the ball, youre going to get red carded. Sorry, but dems the rules. The venom of the foul was also suspicious of being a retribution foul for making McBride bleed, which makes the card all the more justifiable
Secondly, the US has the potential to be as good as the big european/south american sides......after our lives are well over. Yes, the US team has athletes that are very impressive. Yes, they have players that can play on the international club level and excel. But face facts: the ambition of every kid growing up in a slummy flavela or a European inner city is to be a great footballer. Thats from the early stages of human conciousness. Now, I dont doubt that there is some amazing, world class talent just waiting to ripen all over the United States, but we are witnessing the very birth of American football: they have earned some respect. The next great generation of players, when all the Donovans and Beasleys are well gone, may get to join and play with the elites successfully. The generation after that, if things are actually progressing may represent true international competition hopefuls that can hang with the greats.
But today, right now, the mentality and the backing just arent there. Like it or not, the world cup is just a joke to far too many people here. Idiots like Jim Rome feed the redneck culture that states that its a pussy sport. The european and latin identity of football developed in a time when sport was a novelty, not a multibillion dollar industry in every nation. To knock the giants out of the way in American sports and finally put football on the nation stage will be a process that will take decades to complete, if its even possible. What I believe could really be essential is to get European money into the American game by linking MLS teams to European clubs. Ok, its insulting to have them as farm clubs, but think of the excitement of seeing the local boy succeed and make it to the biggest stages in the world. That alone might generate intrest, to say nothing of the marketing and development money that could come. European teams would be licking their chops if they set themselves up as a permanent entity within the American junior ranks and that presence alone could help drive the sport. Then again, this is all just a wild pipe dream
Until the day when football is a national aspiration for America and gets the same unitary adulation as it does in seemingly every other nation, the US will never translate to anything equating the established world powers. Eventhough Freddy Adu is proving to be a bust, that was a great story for the American game. Even baseless hype is better than nothing. One day a true American superstar will emerge, and will move to Europe and make his name, and that too will be a great turning point for the US, and maybe all the doubters like Jim Rome and his hoards of sh*t talking asses will line up and finally pay respect
Then again, with the explosion of the Latin population in this country, this could all be a very different picture were looking at in 10-15 years. Hell, the demographics of this country will be irrevocably altered, and if the big networks want to push for the ratings, they will help footy make the jump from Univision to the big networks on a consistant basis, and finally give it a fair shake. That would be a HUGE step in the right direction that we could see sooner rather than later.
First, the red card on Mastroeni was deserved. Remove the damn bias man. You take out an opponent two footed, studs up at full speed and barely get the ball, youre going to get red carded. Sorry, but dems the rules. The venom of the foul was also suspicious of being a retribution foul for making McBride bleed, which makes the card all the more justifiable
Secondly, the US has the potential to be as good as the big european/south american sides......after our lives are well over. Yes, the US team has athletes that are very impressive. Yes, they have players that can play on the international club level and excel. But face facts: the ambition of every kid growing up in a slummy flavela or a European inner city is to be a great footballer. Thats from the early stages of human conciousness. Now, I dont doubt that there is some amazing, world class talent just waiting to ripen all over the United States, but we are witnessing the very birth of American football: they have earned some respect. The next great generation of players, when all the Donovans and Beasleys are well gone, may get to join and play with the elites successfully. The generation after that, if things are actually progressing may represent true international competition hopefuls that can hang with the greats.
But today, right now, the mentality and the backing just arent there. Like it or not, the world cup is just a joke to far too many people here. Idiots like Jim Rome feed the redneck culture that states that its a pussy sport. The european and latin identity of football developed in a time when sport was a novelty, not a multibillion dollar industry in every nation. To knock the giants out of the way in American sports and finally put football on the nation stage will be a process that will take decades to complete, if its even possible. What I believe could really be essential is to get European money into the American game by linking MLS teams to European clubs. Ok, its insulting to have them as farm clubs, but think of the excitement of seeing the local boy succeed and make it to the biggest stages in the world. That alone might generate intrest, to say nothing of the marketing and development money that could come. European teams would be licking their chops if they set themselves up as a permanent entity within the American junior ranks and that presence alone could help drive the sport. Then again, this is all just a wild pipe dream
Until the day when football is a national aspiration for America and gets the same unitary adulation as it does in seemingly every other nation, the US will never translate to anything equating the established world powers. Eventhough Freddy Adu is proving to be a bust, that was a great story for the American game. Even baseless hype is better than nothing. One day a true American superstar will emerge, and will move to Europe and make his name, and that too will be a great turning point for the US, and maybe all the doubters like Jim Rome and his hoards of sh*t talking asses will line up and finally pay respect
Then again, with the explosion of the Latin population in this country, this could all be a very different picture were looking at in 10-15 years. Hell, the demographics of this country will be irrevocably altered, and if the big networks want to push for the ratings, they will help footy make the jump from Univision to the big networks on a consistant basis, and finally give it a fair shake. That would be a HUGE step in the right direction that we could see sooner rather than later.
juventusita
Senior Squad
Please, I referee, I have played as long as a number of professionals - I have a good grasp of the rules. No doubt it's a bookable offense, but a red card is ridiculous. It was not intentional, it was not from behind, and it was not that late. Missing tackles is part of the game. Italy players were flopping all over the place, where are their yellows for playacting? It's in the "rules," right? Let's just give every late tackle a red card while we're at it. Don't be so naive, the red was giving PURELY because De Rossi was sent off. The referee sent Mastroeni off because it takes the pressure off him in case he made a mistake on sending De Rossi off. That's what we call a make-up call. A strong referee doesn't second guess himself like that. The referee was obviously weak and easily influenced. He didn't want the fact that he sent off an Italian to be the "reason why the US beat Italy," so instead makes a horrible decision to even the score.
Nobody thinks soccer is going to takeover as the most popular sport in America or anything, it doesn't have to for the US to be successful. It will happen faster than you think. Popularity increases exponentially with every year. Yes, Jim Rome is a tool when he talks about soccer because he has no knowledge of any aspect of the game, but it's alright because it is still getting exposure. The fact that it's getting talked about on all the sports shows is a major improvement.
Nobody thinks soccer is going to takeover as the most popular sport in America or anything, it doesn't have to for the US to be successful. It will happen faster than you think. Popularity increases exponentially with every year. Yes, Jim Rome is a tool when he talks about soccer because he has no knowledge of any aspect of the game, but it's alright because it is still getting exposure. The fact that it's getting talked about on all the sports shows is a major improvement.
J_J_Okocha
Youth Team
wrong. it is not an English speaking country. My parents are from there I would know.-Vince- said:
BolsoDecano1899
Youth Team
that really doesn't matter, because each ref interprets the rules in a different way, some would have given a yellow card and others would of given a red card.juventusita said:
how did the ref second guess when he was 2 feet away of the incident and immediately gave the red card go see the replay the ref see's the whole thing and is getting ready to pull the card before Mastroeni even gets up. if the ref was scared of being the reason why the "US beats Italy" he would of never given the red card to de rossi, he would of given a yellow or just act like he didnt see the incident. i've seen these types of fouls go unpunished countless times even with players bleeding (mostly in copa libertadores) and nothing happens to the ref.
maybe in the US Mastroeni's foul is a yellow but in the rest of the world its a red card.
the red card was justified, and fifa said the ref was excellent.
I just have two favors to ask the soccer gods before the next WC.
1) Do something to dissuade diving and bad acting. There really is something wrong with a game where being able to fall down convincingly is a major contributor to your success. I'm not calling anyone divers, I'm just saying there is no reason right now to not take even the most minor contact and try to embellish it. Yellow carding for diving is irrelevant, because it has to be so blatant. I think the game would be far more entertaining and compelling if there was actually some incentive to try and absorb contact and continue doing whatever it was you were trying to do. As it stands right now it is far more benificial to flop about on the ground after someone nudges you than it is to maintain your balance and continue forward. That one component of soccer makes the refs a far more integral part of the game than they should be, and it's in absolute contradiction to what sports should be about, competitiveness, execution, and creativity. And no, I don't mean you should execute a creative dive in the middle of competetion. Wankers....
2) USA learn how to score. It really doesn't bother me that we didn't advance. Our group was hard, our team wasn't as good as it could have been, and I think we didn't approach the tournament in the right mental state or with the right tactics. That said, for the love of God, please get some freaking goal scorers next time. We had two dangerous players on the whole team, Dempsey and DMB, and DMB would manage to maneuvre around one person then just pass the ball back to Reyna repeatedly. It was terrible watching today and knowing basically our only chance for scoring was Mcbride on a cross, and having watched all three matches I think his head actually hit the ball in the box one time the whole tournament. It was depressing.
Also, someone who can take free kicks other than the hobbit would be nice, he was terrible and needs to grow some cojones.
Titanic
PS: Also....Guus Hiddink...please...
1) Do something to dissuade diving and bad acting. There really is something wrong with a game where being able to fall down convincingly is a major contributor to your success. I'm not calling anyone divers, I'm just saying there is no reason right now to not take even the most minor contact and try to embellish it. Yellow carding for diving is irrelevant, because it has to be so blatant. I think the game would be far more entertaining and compelling if there was actually some incentive to try and absorb contact and continue doing whatever it was you were trying to do. As it stands right now it is far more benificial to flop about on the ground after someone nudges you than it is to maintain your balance and continue forward. That one component of soccer makes the refs a far more integral part of the game than they should be, and it's in absolute contradiction to what sports should be about, competitiveness, execution, and creativity. And no, I don't mean you should execute a creative dive in the middle of competetion. Wankers....
2) USA learn how to score. It really doesn't bother me that we didn't advance. Our group was hard, our team wasn't as good as it could have been, and I think we didn't approach the tournament in the right mental state or with the right tactics. That said, for the love of God, please get some freaking goal scorers next time. We had two dangerous players on the whole team, Dempsey and DMB, and DMB would manage to maneuvre around one person then just pass the ball back to Reyna repeatedly. It was terrible watching today and knowing basically our only chance for scoring was Mcbride on a cross, and having watched all three matches I think his head actually hit the ball in the box one time the whole tournament. It was depressing.
Also, someone who can take free kicks other than the hobbit would be nice, he was terrible and needs to grow some cojones.
Titanic
PS: Also....Guus Hiddink...please...
Jedi Mind Trick
Starting XI
hiddink will coach russia after the world cup.
as for ghana, when in doubt, turn to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana
Languages
Main article: Languages of Ghana
Ethnologue lists a total of 79 languages in Ghana.
As with many ex-colonies in Africa, the official language of Ghana is the colonial language, English. Nine languages have the status of government-sponsored languages: Akan, Dagaare/Wale, Dagbane, Dangme, Ewe, Ga, Gonja, Kasem and Nzema.
as for ghana, when in doubt, turn to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana
Languages
Main article: Languages of Ghana
Ethnologue lists a total of 79 languages in Ghana.
As with many ex-colonies in Africa, the official language of Ghana is the colonial language, English. Nine languages have the status of government-sponsored languages: Akan, Dagaare/Wale, Dagbane, Dangme, Ewe, Ga, Gonja, Kasem and Nzema.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
And if you doubt Wikipedia's accuracy, you can turn to the cia world factbook...
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gh.html
English is the official language.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gh.html
English is the official language.
J_J_Okocha
Youth Team
Yea the official language maybe English but no one there speaks much English at all. I have been there too. If you were to go there and start speaking English to someone they would probably speak one of the many different dialects back to you. My parents learned English when they went to Britain for a short period before coming to the states. I know what i am talking about.Tifon said:
TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
If he was so weakminded as to give a make up call (I know what it is, thank you) then how do you explain the second red to pope? What was he making up for with that? Is it possible he just wasnt a good ref, rather than the fact that he, and apparrently the ref in yestedays match, had an agenda against the United States, and were determined to not let them advancejuventusita said:
Its pretty easy to blame the refs for decisions against the US, but when you generate one offensive goal in 270 minutes of play against two very beatable and one good defense, then you dont deserve to be able to blame anyone else
And your personal experience with officiating is irrelevant when it comes to the calls made in this world cup. Thinks have obviously been called tighter than in the past and on the club level. Mastroeni must have been braindead to go in full steam, late, from behind like that.
Jedi Mind Trick
Starting XI
ShiftyPowers said:
ha! true...the cia trumps wikipedia.
juventusita
Senior Squad
Titanic said:
Pretty easy solution: book any player that dives or imbellishes. I don't care if they have a yellow already. If you make it the standard, the diving will stop. Too many times a referee just tells a diver to get up. Book him and tell him to get up after. You can't just expect players from some countries that will go unnamed to stop diving because they are cheats, they are little girls, and they have no respect for the game or their opponents. A player that takes a dive in the box tries to get a penalty kick because he knows he cannot score himself and he knows his team cannot win on their own without cheating.