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US World Cup Aftermath

juventusita

Senior Squad
Thoughts on the World Cup and future of the United States National Team:

- In 2002, Bruce Arena was pretty much spot on with his tactics and did a great job with the US up until this World Cup. I respect and thank Arena alot for all he did, but he now needs to resign. He was probably going to move on after this World Cup anyways, but now should be forced out. Tactically, he was very conservative, even in a must-win situation. Just overall a very poor job of managing the games and the team. I can't really fault the coaching in the first game because the players didn't show up, other than reluctant to play less-established players that eventually showed they were deserving of more playing time (Dempsey, Eddie Johnson). The scoreline was a little harsh.

- Against Italy, we came out very well and Italy's goal was a little against the run of play, but inevitable because of the number of free kicks we were giving away around the box. I felt the own goal was deserved, even if he just whiffed it, McBride would have scored anyway. De Rossi should be suspended for at least 3 games, obviously intentional elbow - anyone who can't see that must be from Mexico or a huge Rafa Marquez fan (Hand of an Idiot, anyone?) a la Cobi Jones 2002. Mastroeni's sending off was criminal, obviously a yellow card. I was reading people were saying it was deserved? Right, I can take that seriously. Clearly a make-up call by referee seemingly just out of his first referee class. I've always loved Mastroeni when he plays in the national side and he was the best player on the field until his sending off. Even after that, we were still pressing and getting the better of the chances I felt. Pope's second yellow, again undeserved, but a little more consistant with the refereeing over the entire World Cup (no verbal warnings, any tackle, good or bad, is 50/50 yellow or red). Pope had a pretty poor World Cup, shouldn't have played after the Czech game. After he was off, Arena told everyone to bunker down, refusing to make his last substitution when it was a no-brainer to bring on Eddie Johnson or at least O'Brien to relieve Reyna, who was walking around the whole time. We allowed Italy to put us under constant pressure because our only outlet was an exhausted and overly-defensive McBride. Hello? Lots of space + a tired Italian defense = WHERE THE HELL IS EDDIE JOHNSON? The best counter attacking option was to play Johnson in long and let his speed work. Beasley should have been doing the same, but he played like a little girl, probably still sulking after playing the right wing rather than left wing against the Czechs. Moving from one wing to the other, as a professional, is not really "playing out of position" like Beasley was crying about. Even a man down, if we kept pressing, I think we would have prevented the Italians from their shooting gallery and possibly getting a late winner. Instead, Arena played way too conservatively, acting as if a tie against Italy was an automatic ticket to the next round.

- Speaking of Italy, everyone was saying how the scandal in Serie A was going to disrupt the players. Apparently they were unaware Italy were going to pull a South Korea 2002 World Cup and match fix all their games. Ironically, Ghana were denied a clear penalty against Italy when down 1-0, then denied another clear penalty late (surprise, surprise, the cheat De Rossi got away with bodyslamming someone in the box). Then Italy benefitted from the red card farce against the US.

- A little unfortunate to give up the first goal against Ghana, with Reyna's knee buckling, but the World Cup wouldn't have been complete without him getting injured. I just don't think he should have been playing, he never made much impact on the first two games and Ghana's speed was always going to trouble him even further. Finally, a good goal by the US. Dempsey is going to be a star. Ridiculous penalty called by the referee, but why not? Nobody wants the US to win in the World Cup. Should have been cautioned for the dive, Onyewu is standing there with his hands in the air and Pimpong, a mountain of a man, goes down like he got shot. Demoralized the US and allowed Ghana to sit back. I hope Brazil pounds Ghana after all the play-acting and faking injuries towards the end of the game. The refereeing in the World Cup has been so horrendous that it's allowing diving to fully become the norm. The referees are seemingly calling fouls on every dive and cautioning every player for a dive that gets fouled. It's the referees fault that everyone dives now, because if they cautioned dives then players would be much more reluctant to risk getting booked, especially at the World Cup where yellows can be a killer.

- Players that must retire now: Keller, Pope, Hejduk, Reyna, McBride, Eddie Lewis (love you, but you're old) ...

- Donovan needs to man up and improve his game, something that won't happen while playing for the laughable LA Galaxy. When is someone going to realize Donovan can't hit free kicks or corners at all? Beasley needs to stop being so timid. Convey and Dempsey have bright futures. Eddie Johnson needs more chances. Stop calling up Josh Wolff, the guy tries hard, but cannot finish. Jimmy Conrad was solid, really like him as a player. The new coach must be foreign, there's no American coach that can take the team forward at the moment. Call up some new players, give them a chance (like Ricardo Clark).

I would like to see us play a team something like:

Forwards: Donovan, Johnson
Midfielders: Convey, Mastroeni, O'Brien (if he can play a full season for Chivas), Dempsey, Beasley
Defenders: Gibbs, Bocanegra, Onyewu
Goalkeeper: Howard

Enough of this ridiculous 4-5-1. Going a goal down while playing a 4-5-1 just screws your gameplan completely. We need to play a 4-4-2 or preferably 3-5-2.

Please comment on my opinions, especially you Americans who have an idea of who should be playing for the national team as we press on to South Africa.
 

JJSFC

Youth Team
A monster post and a fairly good read...

I totally agree with you that you need a foreign coach.
 

juventusita

Senior Squad
NottsSupporter said:
what was wrong with pippo's goal against czech?

Probably shouldn't have included that because I didn't see the goal and ESPN only shows the breakaway part, my friend (reliable source) said he was offsides. Don't really know for sure myself though. Not really the point of the post or that paragraph, as Italy was already beating the Czechs anyway.
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
us would win if it was played with the hands...




go ahead, trash the portuguese with the '2002 world cup' shyte again, but hey..if instead of a goal it had a 80 yard line, you guys would be world champions...
 

mcq

Youth Team
i agree with you. i thought some of the italian players might have been dirupted by the scandal, but it wasnt so..
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
juventusita said:
Probably shouldn't have included that because I didn't see the goal and ESPN only shows the breakaway part, my friend (reliable source) said he was offsides. Don't really know for sure myself though. Not really the point of the post or that paragraph, as Italy was already beating the Czechs anyway.
He was behind the halfway line at the moment of the pass, and had two Czech defenders in front of him. No way that was offside. Just to clear that up.
 

Pingtung

Youth Team
you spend more time complaining about italy et al then you do about USA's future... the inzaghi goal? I don't see anything wrong with that one, I'm not going to sit here and defend italy because that wasn't the intention of your thread, just unfortunate you began ranting about other teams. I assume it's out of frustration so I'll let it go.

You're right about Bruce Arena, he's done a great job for the USA team over the years but it is definitely time for a change. when I saw that 4-5-1 in a must-win game I couldn't believe it. Bruce Arena has had 8 years to lead the team and we see that he trusts many of the veterans and as you've pointed out, it's time for the youngesters to step up. Personally I find Donovan to be an average forward who is too small to be a striker in anything other than the MLS. His speed should be utilized in the midfield. The USA has plenty of quick guys, I think they should build a team around that speed.
 

Stotty

Fan Favourite
juventusita said:
Probably shouldn't have included that because I didn't see the goal and ESPN only shows the breakaway part, my friend (reliable source) said he was offsides. Don't really know for sure myself though. Not really the point of the post or that paragraph, as Italy was already beating the Czechs anyway.

Nah, absolutely no chance of pip being offside for a change. The defence ran out after the ball was played and he was clearly onside. :)
 

juventusita

Senior Squad
Filipower said:
us would win if it was played with the hands...




go ahead, trash the portuguese with the '2002 world cup' shyte again, but hey..if instead of a goal it had a 80 yard line, you guys would be world champions...

Um, not really even sure what any of this meant. Nobody is trashing the Portuguese. Maybe you didn't read my post at all or something. It was the South Koreans who benefitted from numerous criminal calls, which is the ONLY reason they advanced to the semifinals. They didn't even deserve to get out of the group. No problems with Portugal here, other than their rampant diving in this World Cup so far.
 
juventusita said:
Thoughts on the World Cup and future of the United States National Team:
Hey man, welcome back. I think I speak for all US soccer fans when I say that we've missed your posts around here.

I think it's best that we look forward and use this thread to suggest coaches and players to be used by the US for the next World Cup cycle.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
A lot is made about the 4-5-1 but really it is about the mentality of the team, not the formation. A 4-5-1 can be a very attacking formation if the lone striker gets the support from the mid-field. Unfortunately that support wasn't frequent enough during your campaign.

You were also unfortunate to be drawn in a tough group. Italy were always going to win the group, you caught the Czech's on a good day and Ghana were a big unknown quantity coming into the tournament.

Let's face it you will more than likely qualify for 2010. The question you have to ask, does the USA really have the quality of players to get into the knock-out round and further? I have to say that i don't think you do currently. Just looking at the age of some of the squad, many will no doubt retire leaving the squad in a worse state than it is now.

Will a new manager really make a difference?
 

Jedi Mind Trick

Starting XI
juventusita said:
Um, not really even sure what any of this meant. Nobody is trashing the Portuguese. Maybe you didn't read my post at all or something. It was the South Koreans who benefitted from numerous criminal calls, which is the ONLY reason they advanced to the semifinals. They didn't even deserve to get out of the group. No problems with Portugal here, other than their rampant diving in this World Cup so far.

in all fairness, how can you say the south korean didn't deserve to get out of the group?

they won the poland match 2-0, fair and square.

they drew 1-1 against the u.s., and they should have won that game.

they beat portugal 1-0. in a game where portugal were playing for a tie. and in fact, had south korea not won that game, the u.s. would not have advanced to the second round. the portugal game is probably the only one of the 3 group stage games where there was controversy with the 2 red cards. however, even if korea had tied, they still would have advanced.

as a korean-american, i can agree that korea did receive favorable calls. especially during the spain match. but they did deserve to advance.
 

juventusita

Senior Squad
Removed the part about Inzaghi, apologies. I guess my source was just joking around about the offsides.

Toon Army, a 4-5-1 can be offensive, yes, but it was obvious after the first game our players were not comfortable attacking within the system. We had the quality to advance out of the group, as did all of the four teams. As being from a country where your national side (England) is the most overhyped, overrated team with the most overrated players in the world and furthermore, calls for the head of the coach after every one goal win, draw, and loss (even in friendlies) - that's quite an interesting statement. The United States has the potential of the great European nations, maybe not as much potential as Brazil, but with the world class athletes, the increasing youth numbers, the progression from 1990-2006 in terms of MLS and the national side, and the growing support for the game, the US can go nowhere but up. Of course the manager is important. In fact, the next coach of the US is the most important move in the history of soccer in the US, in my opinion. Most of our aging players were the ones that played the poorest in the World Cup, so their loss will be of benefit to the progression of our team. Reyna, Pope, and McBride were all sub-par and among the oldest players. Keller is the only big loss and I fully believe that Tim Howard is a great goalkeeper (Rutgers product!). These guys are still part of the old guard, guiding our talented youth. Now, the torch will be passed to the new generation and every generation will continue to improve. I have very high expectations for 2010, as should any American.

Jedi Mind Trick, whether South Korea deserved to advance is just my opinion, however it is fact that in every one of their games they got calls (maybe not major, goal-changing calls in every game) that helped propel them as far as they went.

Run-DMB, thanks.

Gibbs is solid. Could easily be replaced by Conrad or another emerging defender. It's just an outline for the team right now. Don't go crazy Dutch guy.
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
juventusita said:
The United States has the potential of the great European nations, maybe not as much potential as Brazil,

Exactly, the key word here being potential. So why all the upset about going out in the group stage when on the World stage the USA are clearly not on a par with Europe and South America at this moment in time?
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
with you on the South Korea thing Juventista.

Agree with most of the things you say actually, still just a pity the U.S couldnt join us and Australia in the last 16, three english speaking nations would have been nice.

(dont know about the african countries languages :( )
 


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