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UEFA Champions League 2009-2010

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
Life Ban
Your first statement makes no sense. And in general, I wouldn't say something if I thought I was wrong, that's retarded.

Nice going at evading the issue. Yes, you've won everything. We've gone over this. When Barca's style of play doesn't work, on those rare occasions, Pep doesn't know what to do.

Oh ok, I didn't know I was supposed to adhere to the definitions of a man whose English is satisfactory at best. To be superior is synonymous with being better. What you're describing is complete superiority. Ignoring the offside goal, Inter still won. They were still in control, they were still the better, and therefor the superior team. They did not win this thanks to the referee.

I'm officially not going to bother with your delusions anymore.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
bybuti;2855828 said:
Superiority isn't just being better.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superior

Main Entry: su·pe·ri·or
Pronunciation: \su̇-ˈpir-ē-ər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin, comparative of superus upper, from super over, above — more at over
Date: 14th century

1 : situated higher up : upper
2 : of higher rank, quality, or importance

Yeah it is.
 

MaestroZidane

YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
"I saw the Barcelona players trying to put pressure on the referee. My only comment was that their players have short memories, but 'my' Chelsea players last season were complaining after an historically bad refereeing performance by Ovrebo.

"Why can Barcelona not act like champions and accept they lost on the night to a team that played better? We played very, very well. I am truly sorry we conceded that goal, as we studied Barcelona so carefully and knew what we shouldn't do. The one time we did that, losing the ball in our final third, and were punished for it.''

Quotes from Mourinho after the match..
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
had an exam this afternoon, so I recorded the match and I just finished watching it ... wow, what an epic match! what a result! so many talking points ... but first: I've said it before, I'll say it again: don't f*ck with José! (H)

Guardiola got taught a lesson for the first time in his managerial career, and it is no surprise to me that it came Mourinho's hands -- now that José has a complete squad, that has had time to gel (compared to the group stage, where Pandev was not in the squad, while Milito, Eto'o and Sneijder were still trying to gel in their new team) ...

taking off Zlatan was so f*cking moronic from Pep ... there is no explanation for it for me ... Messi did f*ck-all, all match long (he had 1 long-range effort and 1 freekick on target, but otherwise was either selfish or just easily marked) ... all Inter did was get between his left foot and the goal, and that was that; so simple, so effective ... I have no idea why he was given 90 while Zlatan, who was a lot more mobile, and used his brain a lot more than Messi, was taken off ...

must also add that the officiating was terrible ... the linesmen sucked when it came to offside calls -- Milito was clean through onside in the first half, but was wrongly called off ... and he looked well offside for the goal that he scored ... the ref was whistle-happy, calling fouls that didn't exist, and not calling others ... Eto'o was through past Keita in the first half, and had Milito in the clear in the box, but the foul was wrongly called on Samu ... then Sneijder definitely made contact with Dani Alves in the box in the second half, and it was a stonewall penalty for Barça in my eyes ...

overall, I am very happy for José and Inter, while I was quite disappointed by Barcelona, and notably Guardiola ... but the semifinal is only halfway through, and while I said it was foolish to underestimate Mourinho in this first match, I think it would be just as foolish to count out Barça getting a 2-0 result at the Camp Nou ... can't wait for another epic encounter!
 

Jaboldinho

Fan Favourite
Let's see if I can get a rationable post together.

From the camera angles I saw of the challenge on Alves inside the box, it didn't look like a penalty, just a vintage dive by Dani to top off his horrendous match. I could obviously be convinced otherwise. Dani just couldn't get anything right, he was late on two of Inter's goals, I think, and his crosses were horrible. He just couldn't produce. It's a shame for him personally too, as Maicon was so much better in this match, that he will most likely be the starter in the World Cup - although I think Alves has been the better throughout the season.

Valdes, not much to say, there was nothing he could do in the 3 goals, but no amazing saves either. Good game.

Pique was one of the few who delivered. He came with his normal play, calm and collected. Wasn't enough.

Puyol is out of the second leg, but he had to take the foul. It's a good thing Gabi is fit again, and showing he still has what it takes. This was one of those spots were you could see that the referee was not on top of the situation. His calls were just random - sometimes calling unexistant fouls, sometimes ignoring clear yellow card challenges. Motta was a dirty bastard as usual, but not even a vocal warning was given. Obviously, both of Inter's 2nd half goals could be argued over, as in the first one it seemed like Leo was fouled, but it wasn't called, and Inter were released on a quick counter, and the second one, as already pointed out, seemed to be a clear offside.

Nonetheless, Inter was definitely the better team, but I still feel the result is a bit undeserved, a 1-goal-win seems more fair considering everything that took place on the pitch. This means we'll have a hard time in advancing, 2-0 is definitely not impossible, it's been done before, but the thing is, Inter is take the same bus we took to Giuseppe Meazza and park it in front of their goal. 2 goals will be hard to score, especially with Jose organizing his defense as only he could, and on top of that, we can't let them score from their dangerous counters, which are bound to happen, as we saw yesterday.

Iniesta was desperately needed. Xavi just seemed so lonely in the midfield, there really was nobody to give a quick one-two with, and he ended up just keeping the ball, occasionally lending it to Busquets, and it all led to nothing. And I still can't believe Pep prefers Busquets over Yaya, especially in this kind of match. Toure can stop those quick counters, whereas Busquets is nowhere near as big of a help to the defense, and is usually the one laying on the ground after any challenge.

Messi was invisible, he was marked well, and it seemed to frustrate him, and he couldn't get anything going. He kept trying the same simple things, but all the defenders had to do was put their foot in front of his left foot and the ball was theirs. Zlatan didn't get any chances, and as he wasn't fully fit for the 90 minutes yet, I can obviously understand Pep's subsitution, but not for a defender! Atleast, he should've brought Bojan in for someone a bit later.

Overall, the thing I believe lost us the match, was individual lack of concentration. There were far too many sloppy giveaways in the midfield, which almost always led to a quick, dangerous counter attack. First half was average on our standards, not much to praise, but not much to sulk over either. The second half though, was horrible. The players' heads weren't in it, and Inter capitalized on that.

Now, the team is put to a test, and these are the mountains we have to climb, to be considered one of the great teams of all times. It's not enough to win the titles - it's about overcoming the obstacles thrown at you, no matter how hard it seems. The team has a long way back home in the bus, and I bet and hope Pep will make the most of it.
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
Jaboldinho;2855963 said:
Let's see if I can get a rationable post together.

From the camera angles I saw of the challenge on Alves inside the box, it didn't look like a penalty, just a vintage dive by Dani to top off his horrendous match. I could obviously be convinced otherwise.

And I thought I was the only one that spotted this. :D

Barca needs to score early, we saw that Inter are always comfortable soaking pressure and that's where they're dangerous because they have players that can hit you on the break.

Busquets/Keita/Yaya have got to get closer to Sneijder, because I thought he was given too much space by the Barca players. He's the focal point of Inter's attack if you manage to stifle him, Inter don't have many other options.

Puyol out for Barca, Stankovic out for Inter in the 2nd leg. Puyol would be missed but Milito is capable of doing the job.
 

Jaboldinho

Fan Favourite
One major difference in the teams' play, was that Inter was closing down on us quickly, whereas we gave them the room to look around, and stay calm. We were always under pressure in the midfield, and that's why we didn't get our normal game going, but whenever Inter tried a slower attack, they were given all the time in the world.

And an early goal is definitely important in the second leg, if we fail to score in the first half, our players will most likely lose hope, and Inter will get a big boost. However, if we do manage to get in the lead early, it will act as a boost of confidence for us, and then, anything can happen.
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
Man, I sat down to watch the two best teams in the world have a got at each other, and I saw just that; great game, if only for the fact that I saw Barça with 11 their players in their midfield (it was only once, a glimpse, but it happened). Mourinho, if he pulls this off, if he advances to the final, will probably grow is planet-sized ego even more, but this time he will do it, imo, deservedly.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
Still left 1 match in Barcelona and Inter will meet Camp nou verticality in the magic nights and Lionel Messi.

Piqué its an exelent CF.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
bybuti;2856034 said:
For example, Barça is always superior against its opponents in possession terms. Majority of the time, they have a possession higher than 65%.

But not the same possession, mostly in our half and the players keep the ball a lot, don't pass it fast at 1/2 touches, we played the game inter was looking for and we were outplayed, i'm tired with the ******* refereer excuses, he help the home team, ok, but the score its fair, if Barça lost its because didn't play like Barça. Referee also help Madrid at Bernabeu and we won 0-2. Learn to lose.
 

Arnau

NGR LVR
But the people are focusing all in the referee mistakes and not in the own ones, wich is the worryingly. You can control a referee so first make your work fine and then, if you lost because him, insult him and his family.
 

Tosiek

Słowiańska Dusza
José Mourinho & Inter
 

Filipower

Bunburyist
I, as a Portuguese, and therefore part of the only people allowed to talk trash about Olegário Benquerença, step forward and say this:

The referee did nothing wrong. Trust me, I know the guy, I know what he does wrong and when he does it, and you can believe that Benquerença probably had the best-refereed match of his life.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
bybuti;2856034 said:
Com'on dude.

Being superior isn't just being better. Superior means much better. Not just in English, but I guess in every language.

You can say that you were better than someone if you were up by 1% to 10% for example, but if you were up by more than 20% then, it's clear that you were superior to him.

For example, Barça is always superior against its opponents in possession terms. Majority of the time, they have a possession higher than 65%.


And nobody likes losing. Some people admit when they lose, some don't. Personally I do admit when I lose. My team lost last night and I admitted that. And I will again admit if Inter wins in the second leg - I will congratulate them and wish them luck. But I was just telling that, the way Inter won wasn't superior and it was because the referee gifted them 1 if not 2 goals (I'm also glad Jabo has mentioned the second goal and the foul on Messi - Other people that I talked today with said that as well).

But this match will be forgotten once the second one is played. Nobody will talk about referees' "mistakes" anymore. Same it happened with Chelsea last season. Nobody was mentioning a penalty that were denied to us in the first match.


Inter has the advantage of a great result, but the road to Madrid passes trough Camp Nou, so we'll meet them there first.

It can mean a lot of things. The way Az used it, I understood it to mean "better".
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
Filipower;2856144 said:
I, as a Portuguese, and therefore part of the only people allowed to talk trash about Olegário Benquerença, step forward and say this:

The referee did nothing wrong. Trust me, I know the guy, I know what he does wrong and when he does it, and you can believe that Benquerença probably had the best-refereed match of his life.
the ref was "whistle-happy", like I said ... I didn't like his call on Eto'o, when I thought Samu did well to disposess Keita, and had Milito in the clear in the box ... and the Dani Alves penalty looked a penalty from what I saw last night; but seeing more angles, it was clear that the contact was minimal, and Dani Alves tried to make the most of it ...

but it wasn't the ref that made the errors; it was the linesmen ... Milito was very much onside in the first half, when he looked to have sprung the offside trap and was clear on goal ... then, when he was offside, he scored, and again the wrong call was made ...



Arnau;2856039 said:
But not the same possession, mostly in our half and the players keep the ball a lot, don't pass it fast at 1/2 touches, we played the game inter was looking for and we were outplayed, i'm tired with the ******* refereer excuses, he help the home team, ok, but the score its fair, if Barça lost its because didn't play like Barça. Referee also help Madrid at Bernabeu and we won 0-2. Learn to lose.
the broken english aside, that was well said Arnau ...
 

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Ulysses;2855960 said:
Barca was tired after travelling 14 hours on the bus, I Hope they make it to the final :(

That's rubbish! Inter has to travel to Barcelona by bus. Are you going to feel sorry for them next?
 


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