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UEFA Champions League 2009-2010

kp41

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Oh btw, Mourinho said that he would control Messi during the match and his team did it very well.

Though I think Iniesta absence was so critical. Xavi plays more central at his absence and Messi gets less support from that area. I think Yaya could do better against a physical midfield like Inter.

Alves crosses were not good tonight, and I hope Maicon will be OK.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
bybuti;2855733 said:
lol at all these haters here.
I can't see any haters here... What are you talking about?

Anyway, I think Barca has enough quality to score 2 goals in Nou Camp, so I wouldn't be surprised if Barca are in the final. I said before that I wanted Inter Vs Lyon final (underdogs final). I hope it happens with all the hype around Bayern and Barca.
 

MaestroZidane

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Dytza;2855732 said:
hah. That would be the most pathetic thing you could do. I could understand it from Inter, United, Bayern, even LYON fans. But from a fan of a team who didn't get past 1/8 for 6 years...

EDIT: Oh you already did it. :)

Said the guy who has fans that do the same exact thing week in and week (when it happens) out. So you can dish it out but not take it?? Go figure :clapwap:
 

Mandieta6

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First off, I'm flabbergasted that any Barca fan on this forum, barring a select few, can complain or scoff at other supporters enjoying seeing Barca lose. You make yourself easy to hate. And not a single poster here has shown the lack of class you've shown in the past. I won't speak for others, but I only commented on the match and the factors that affected it. Should the forum go silent until Barca win again?

I already said I wanted Inter to beat Barca. I don't like Barca, I don't like their fans. Inter, coached by a manager who gave my team it's best period, eliminated my team from the competition. I would rather be eliminated by the the eventual winner. And despite all of that, I didn't attack Barca.

I don't even need to explain myself, much less to kp04, who hasn't made an actual observation in all of his 4000 posts here.

Btw, I AM glad to see Barca fans complaining about the referee. They can come close to understand what the Ovrebo fiasco felt like now.

Back to the match, as I said already, Inter deserved to win. Absolutely no invention from Barca. I'd say Busquets was their best man on the field, because he managed to do his job for the most part. The defense was shocking at times, Alves gave me no reason to change my mind about him being overrated, Xavi was stifled (although credit to him for sending Maxwell down the flank for the goal, a goal which was moreso down to Inter's mistakes than Barca's virtues) and Messi absent. Ibra got dragged into a shoving match which is exactly what the CBs wanted and basically, not a single Barca player was anything above satisfactory.

Inter let them play when they wanted to and pressured them when they wanted to and possession or no posession, Inter were in control. Even Barca's late siege was down to Inter deciding to settle for the result. No plan B from Pep, and bringing Ibra off, despite him being distracted, made it harder for his team because at least Ibra was soaking up the pressure properly.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
bybuti;2855765 said:
Ups sorry, it's love. I meant ... lovers. :(

lol. I didn't see anyone here showing "hate" to Barca man. Most of the people here were just commenting on the game, thats it. No one is making fun of Barca or anything.

Zakov;2855763 said:
Do you expect any Utd fan to be upset as well? :browsmiley:

I'm pretty sure most of us don't bother much since United are out :( I always prefer underdogs to win when we're out.
 

Mandieta6

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Ah right, he was injured a little while ago. Forgot about that. Still not an excuse for not having a plan B.
 

MaestroZidane

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after so many years, watching Mourinho coach is something else. Mandieta6's explanation of the game was just missing "mourinho", because he knew what to do with his team and control the opposition

FYI Barca fans, this has nothing to do with your loss
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
bybuti;2855783 said:
Well, the same people don't comment after Barça wins. That's why I'm saying. It's not only on this forums, but on other forums as well, on facebook and so on. I'm sad I'm living outside the city now, coz I would love to see if there are people celebrating Barça's loss now. :D

Well Inter were underdogs and Barca were clear favourites. Its obvious that there's more to talk when an underdog team wins.

bybuti;2855783 said:
As for the plan B: Ibra couldn't have played 90 mins, Bojan couldn't have done much against those Inter defenders, Henry sucks, there were no other players that could have came in. Pep tried with Maxwell upfront and he wasn't that bad, but Alves was terrible on the other wing and Messi looked lost.

Just a thought, you said Fergie was dumb playing a half fit Rooney. Today Pep played a half fit Zlatan. He did the exact same thing. I don't want to get into this again but I just wanted to point out that sometimes you have no choice in situations like that. You have to use your best players in games like that. A half fit Zlatan is probably more effective than a fully fit Bojan.
 

Pogba4Now

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Rooney was also given the green light by the physios though. But yeah I guess Zlatan at least trained for a few days. Rooney trained only the day before that game.
 

Mandieta6

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bybuti;2855783 said:
Well, the same people don't comment after Barça wins. That's why I'm saying. It's not only on this forums, but on other forums as well, on facebook and so on. I'm sad I'm living outside the city now, coz I would love to see if there are people celebrating Barça's loss now. :D

Coz otherwise, I enjoy when more people comment about a game.


As for the plan B: Ibra couldn't have played 90 mins, Bojan couldn't have done much against those Inter defenders, Henry sucks, there were no other players that could have came in. Pep tried with Maxwell upfront and he wasn't that bad, but Alves was terrible on the other wing and Messi looked lost.

Ah, so you want us to fill out the numbers when you win? **** that. Fewer people comment on Barca matches than others because there's less to comment on. What can you discuss? The opposition, starting line-up, individual performances and subs. I'm being harsh, because in most matches two teams wind up playing the same footie for 90 minutes, but speaking for myself, watching, let alone commenting on Barca matches brings me no joy, and it bores me. Although whenever I watch a Barca match, I comment on whatever strikes me.

Your complaint is ridiculous though. Opposing fans don't watch as many Barca matches as you do, and when Barca lose, it's more of a story to discuss than when they beat another sucky Spanish team.

Your excuse encapsulates what I've always said about Pep. You think Plan B is subbing one player for another. That's not it at all. Changing a player is like a woman altering her make-up. It's a slight change, meant to give you an advantage. An advantage that won't do when you're being outplayed and out-thought. A plan B is doing what Carlo has done at Chelsea, ditching the diamond and reverting to the 4-3-3. Changing the focus of play, the dynamic, style, whatever it takes to win.

That isn't exactly fair, since Carlo made a general change of approach, but even in his first matches, he'd have the players move around to get the best out of them depending on the opposition. When things clearly weren't working in this match, what did Barca do differently? Let's see: Whenever Alves got the ball he either linked with Messi and cut inside, or hooved it to the far post. Is that new? No. Why not tell Pedro or Messi to use their speed to beat the defender at the near post? Does Alves actually know how to cross to the near post? I don't think I've ever seen him try it.

Messi? Run at the defense. Different? No. Everyone else? Move until you're closed down and the get the ball to the nearest guy to you, Xavi, or if you're near the wings, through ball to the overlapping fullbacks. Different? NO! And none of it was working. Nothing that Barca usual does was working.

This defeat is not the players' fault, IMO. Mourinho and Inter were a better unit and were tactically superior, and Pep was caught with his pants down.
 

Mandieta6

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bybuti;2855799 said:
We have failed only a few times during these years. While we have made several great comebacks at this time.

Is that what you mean plan B? When it works, you say that you had a plan B, when it doesn't work, you deny it.



Well, you're talking about 2 players (Dani and Messi) that didn't work at all.

The result was as a result of some other circumstances. Inter were better than Barça, but not superior; Inter was average, Barça was poor. Inter only scored from Barça's mistakes and referee's gifts.

For instance, you can call superiority Barça's win over Inter some months ago. That was superiority; when Inter wasn't able to do 2 consecutive passes.

I've told you before. Your Plan A normally works, but when it doesn't work, you should have something up your sleeve, and you don't. I don't think I've ever said Barca have a Plan B, whether they win or lose. Your statement is simply false.

And why didn't they work? The alleged God of football and the best RB in the world simply failed to show up? You're basically taking all the credit away from Inter and saying Barca were just poor. I'm not going to bother discussing this with you if you're in such denial.

You're full of **** though. How can a team be better but not superior? What you're referring to as superiority is called posession, but I'm not surprised that you mix the two up.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
It's possible this is just the perfect storm. Barcelona have been doing this hard pressing for 2 years and presumably training extremely hard to keep up the pressure for 90 minutes. It's going to eventually catch up to the players (usually 3 years, but who knows how hard they've been going); combine that with the 14 hour bus ride, players who aren't fully fit, tentative defenders not wanting to miss the second leg, a very physical Inter team, and the best tactical coach in the game, and you have a loss.
 


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