Turkey’s future lies within the Khilafah State and not the EU

[::shinji::]

The future of Turkey lies in the Khilafah State which gave this country glory and honour making it the leading nation in the world for centuries.

...ah yes, the Armenians especially remember that glory and honour well.

 

[Ubik Valis]

Yeah, around 1,5 million of them


P.L.U.C.K.

Elimination! Elimination!

Why! Die!

Walk Down!

A whole race Genocide,
Taken away all of our pride,
A whole race Genocide,
Taken away, Watch Them all fall down!

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your ****, now it's time for restitution.

Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your ****, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide,
(Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died,
(Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found,
(Never want to see you around)
All in a system of Down......
Down.....Down.......Down........Walk Down...........

Watch them all fall down,
Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your ****, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide
(Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we died,
(Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found,
(Never want to see you around)
All in a system , Down~

 

[theedor]

now

1-Kobashi you're fcuking stupid.. I'm a muslim and I'm a Turk.. First you cannot JUDGE the distance of Turkish people to their religion, it's none of your business, Allah is concerned with it!!..

2-You cannot blame M.Kemal Ataturk for being British-French agent.. You are definitely nescient or misleaded, I pity you in both cases.. M. Kemal Ataturk was a patriot, sort of which even organised his marriage as an example for modern Turkish Lifestyle!! without him, there would be an Algeria in South of Turkey, a Sicilia in South West of Turkey, a Hong-Kong in Istanbul and a Kurdish Government in South East... I don't know your nationality and I do not fcuking care about it.. But if people are escaping from Iran-Syria-Saudi Arabia to Turkey for a reasonable life, then he did something TRUE didn't he!!!

3- M. Kemal Ataturk was also fond of Religion... What he did was SEPERATING the Religion and Government concerns... Religion is a spiritual issue, Governing is a materialist... and noone can be obliged to adapt religion, that is the islamist fundamental !!! You can attract people to your religion by being a good example for them but you can't force them to!!!.. If you do, then you should place an imam in whorehouses to temporarily marry the prostitute and man to overcome the religious issues JUST LIKE IRAN DOES!!!!... THIS IS NOT EVEN FUNNY!! that's a fcuking DISGRACE FOR IRAN DO THEY THINK THEY CAN FOOL THE GOD??!!!!

4- About the membership of Turkey to EU, I don't think EU has a future with itself with that structure, so I'm not that fond of that membership.. needless to say "Europe will not be Europe with Turkey" 'cause Europe was no more Europe with the membership of Balkan Countries..

I think it will divide within itself in 25-50 years and then we'll see what will happen...


5- DRAGANT I didn't understand the purpose of that lyrics but I also want to talk about the claims of genocide...

Government of OTTOMAN EMPIRE forced Armenians to move from their homelands with the claim of National Security Issues in 1915.. it is said that they were causing local troubles in WW1.. and most Armenians had died because of bad weather conditions just like the way 90.000 Turkish Soldiers died, who were going to invade Caucassian Territory.. I didn't read much about it honestly so I cannot go further..

I feel sorry for the Armenian lives lost in Turkey, but are they sorry for the app. 20 diplomats they deliberately killed in USA-Canada etc???? .. I have many close Armenian friends in my homeland and I have literally no problem with them.. They have churches etc here.. The problem causing group is diaspora.. and I don't know what their intention is..


anyway, DRAGANT if you mentioned that, I do remind you that you are the part of a group that LITERALLY did genocide to bosnian people in the middle of Europe in 1990's.. They are still on court in European Commission of War Crimes..



hope I've made myself clear.. not wanted to offend anyone except that kobashi bsatard....

 

[Hans]

Heh, Kobashi always wanted to Muslimized SG anyway . . .

 

[Hendrik]

5- DRAGANT I didn't understand the purpose of that lyrics but I also want to talk about the claims of genocide...

The CLAIMS of genocide? Is it so hard to admit that Turkey was responsible for the genocide on more than one million Armenians? Bad weather conditions (:/)

In 1915, under the cover of the war, the Ottoman government resolved to expel Turkey's Armenian population (at the time about 1.75m) entirely. Their plan included deportation to the deserts of Syria and Mesopotamia (now Iraq). Hundreds of thousands of Armenians were driven out of their homes and either massacred or force-marched into the desert until they died. The German ambassador to Turkey wrote home: 'The government is indeed pursuing its goal of exterminating the Armenian race in the Ottoman Empire'. Between 1915 and 1923 the western part of historic Armenia was emptied of Armenians. The death toll is reliably estimated to be over a million. Those who did not die fled to the Middle East, Russia or the USA.

The genocide was conducted in a well-organised way, making use of new technology available. Orders to begin the operation were sent to every police station, to be carried out simultaneously at the same time on the same day: April 20, 1915. Once it had begun, the perpetrators kept in touch by telegraph. They also made use of the Istanbul- Baghdad railway: the new line had already been laid as far as the Syrian desert. Tens of thousands of Armenians were packed into railway wagons and sent down the line into the desert, where they were left without shelter, water or food. Many of the workers laying the railway were Armenian, and thought they would escape; their turn for the death trucks came in 1916.

 

[theedor]

next time you read it again carefully before you write something.. it says OTTOMAN EMPIRE, so it is nowhere near hard to admit that TURKEY is responsible because The Republic of Turkey is not responsible for genocide... hope you can understand that, because armenian diaspora couldn't....

anyway this does not make me escape from my historical responsibility as a turk and does not prevent me for feeling sorry about the lost lives from both sides.. I even don't want to call armenians as minority because we're glued together in this country.. I know many innocent lives were lost and feel real sorry for them.. but when you talk about one side, you shouldn't forget the other.. if you think naively, why did the ottoman empire waited hundreds of years to genocide armenians, why on a specific date and not before?? and why not jews, all christians or other so-called-minorities but armenians?? (I say so-called-minorities because if we're living together, sharing this country than we're all ONE)


there are always good and bad in a society and some armenians really did behaved bad during WW1.. I repeat, this does not legitimate the behaviour that Ottoman Empire did to them, both sides did some bad things... God knows I believe it shouldn't supposed to be like this.. more than 20 top level diplomat of Turkey shouldn't be killed in embassies by armenians either..


so next time start writing after also thinking for the other side..

 

[theedor]

and another reminder for kobashi...

talking about khilafah state.. do you know how it was gathered by Turks?? it was after a war in Ridaniye in 1517... so Yavuz Sultan Selim, got Khilafah State because noone left to carry that title.. and it was inherited to sons of Yavuz Sultan Selim...

now think if you can; why should someone inherited that title rule my life!! DOES HE REALLY DESERVED THAT TITLE!!! Allah gave us Holy Qur'an, sent us Prophet Muhammed and gave us a BRAIN to comment and think and decide our moves!! I'm responsible for my actions in my entire life and I would not let anyone to interfere my actions, to think for me!!..

Islam indeed encourages people to think rationally, Islam is a religion of rationality.. but some people seem to have problems adapting on this

 

[Ubik Valis]

anyway, DRAGANT if you mentioned that, I do remind you that you are the part of a group that LITERALLY did genocide to bosnian people in the middle of Europe in 1990's.. They are still on court in European Commission of War Crimes..

Say what?

I'm Croat, not Serb, let's just get that straight. And while theere may have been smaller Croatian militia groups that killed muslims in Bosnia, it's nowhere near on the same scale as what Bosnian Serbs and Serbia were responsible for.

 

[Virgo]

I thought he was going to pick on Vince with the genocide argument. I wonder why he didn't ( :funny: )

 

[The_Knight]

Kobashi, does it 'really' matter the name of the state/regime? And do you 'really' think that the EU is based on christianity or even religion for all it matters??

Nomenclature could be really deceiving and superficial for many people.... you have the majority of muslim countries following a non-islamic economy system, when other secular states like the USA and Japan follow -unintentionally- an economy system FAR CLOSER to the Islamic economy system than any other muslim country...

You have Iraqi militant groups that carry very provocative names, like 'The Islamic Army in Iraq'.. so wat do they do? Kill 20 Iraqi muslims in a mosque, kidnap a muslim Egyptian democrat and blow up hundreds of iraqis every week....I mean com'on... Khalifah! Khalfiah!..... man that is the most superficial unsignificant change that cud happen in Turkey...

Instead, you could think of what made the Khalifah ruling at its time so great........ the leap in scientific advancements, raising the standard of living for the average citizen... economic stability, Human rights... these are the changes you need to see. But banning a women from working just because she's covering her hair, that's just stone-aged discrimination.

 

[theedor]

Say what?

I'm Croat, not Serb, let's just get that straight. And while theere may have been smaller Croatian militia groups that killed muslims in Bosnia, it's nowhere near on the same scale as what Bosnian Serbs and Serbia were responsible for.

dragan: ok got it




virgo: think again..

 

[Ubik Valis]

And incase you misunderstood me, I didn't mean the Armenian genocide thing as an offence or generalization on Turks. I just wish it would be recognized.

 

[kobashi]

now

1-Kobashi you're fcuking stupid.. I'm a muslim and I'm a Turk.. First you cannot JUDGE the distance of Turkish people to their religion, it's none of your business, Allah is concerned with it!!..

2-You cannot blame M.Kemal Ataturk for being British-French agent.. You are definitely nescient or misleaded, I pity you in both cases.. M. Kemal Ataturk was a patriot, sort of which even organised his marriage as an example for modern Turkish Lifestyle!! without him, there would be an Algeria in South of Turkey, a Sicilia in South West of Turkey, a Hong-Kong in Istanbul and a Kurdish Government in South East... I don't know your nationality and I do not fcuking care about it.. But if people are escaping from Iran-Syria-Saudi Arabia to Turkey for a reasonable life, then he did something TRUE didn't he!!!

3- M. Kemal Ataturk was also fond of Religion... What he did was SEPERATING the Religion and Government concerns... Religion is a spiritual issue, Governing is a materialist... and noone can be obliged to adapt religion, that is the islamist fundamental !!! You can attract people to your religion by being a good example for them but you can't force them to!!!.. If you do, then you should place an imam in whorehouses to temporarily marry the prostitute and man to overcome the religious issues JUST LIKE IRAN DOES!!!!... THIS IS NOT EVEN FUNNY!! that's a fcuking DISGRACE FOR IRAN DO THEY THINK THEY CAN FOOL THE GOD??!!!!

4- About the membership of Turkey to EU, I don't think EU has a future with itself with that structure, so I'm not that fond of that membership.. needless to say "Europe will not be Europe with Turkey" 'cause Europe was no more Europe with the membership of Balkan Countries..

I think it will divide within itself in 25-50 years and then we'll see what will happen...


5- DRAGANT I didn't understand the purpose of that lyrics but I also want to talk about the claims of genocide...

Government of OTTOMAN EMPIRE forced Armenians to move from their homelands with the claim of National Security Issues in 1915.. it is said that they were causing local troubles in WW1.. and most Armenians had died because of bad weather conditions just like the way 90.000 Turkish Soldiers died, who were going to invade Caucassian Territory.. I didn't read much about it honestly so I cannot go further..

I feel sorry for the Armenian lives lost in Turkey, but are they sorry for the app. 20 diplomats they deliberately killed in USA-Canada etc???? .. I have many close Armenian friends in my homeland and I have literally no problem with them.. They have churches etc here.. The problem causing group is diaspora.. and I don't know what their intention is..


anyway, DRAGANT if you mentioned that, I do remind you that you are the part of a group that LITERALLY did genocide to bosnian people in the middle of Europe in 1990's.. They are still on court in European Commission of War Crimes..



hope I've made myself clear.. not wanted to offend anyone except that kobashi bsatard....

I am blaming the Turkish State and not the People. also I was born in the UK. Iran and Saudi Arabia are not Islamic States so that is a weak argument. As for M.Kemal. they guy hated Islam, the guy was an alcoholic who suppressed Islam and punished islamists. Just do a search on google and you will see for yourself.

Your wrong about Islam just being a spiritual issue. can you quote 1 verse from the quran or sunnah to back this up. when the beloved prophet (saw) created the 1st Islamic state in medina did we see a separation between religion and government. I not saying all the Khilafah's we had were good as there were bad ones but none of them separated religion and government.

your right, the Khilafah is not a heredetery system and it is not allowed in Islam. like i said we have had bad Khilafah's.

Since The destruction of the Khilafah, the Muslim world has gone backwards. Under Islam the Muslim world were leaders in civilisation, now all we have is dictators and tyrants which the west imposed on us. You may praise Kemal Atuturk but even western writers concede that the guy was a fascist.

The Khilafah state will not be some backwards state like people have you believe. It will be a modern, advanced state which will put poverty at the top of its agenda. Also it will not be state only for Muslims. Like what we saw in Islamic Spain and Islamic Turkey. Non Muslims will be welcome with open arms to live in the state.

Yes the Muslim women will have to wear the hijab as this is a command from Allah.

Look at the current Turkish State. Women who wear the hijab are not allowed in certain building and places. This is a disgrace and the leaders should be ashamed they allow this to happen.

 

[theedor]

and you show me one single phrase from Holy Qu'ran that orders women to wear hijab...


in Turkey, Hijab is used mostly as a political issue... My Grandmother wears headscarf when he goes out, this is because of her sanction of usage, something like tradition (a note for Euro/American readers, it is not distracting at all).... but wearing hijab in Governmental places is not only tradition.. this is a deliberate conflict... people also do not enter governmental places with bikini's etc, how do you like that? should they call it disgrace like you did?


I tell you the difference... I do NOT have anything against hijab.. I do have respect for anyone wearing that and I think they should be allowed governmental places with hijab.... BUT UNLESS IT IS USED FOR PROPAGATION OF AN IDEOLOGY, the SHERI'A.. bikini's are not used for an ideology, that makes the difference...


KHILAFAH was removed in 1924.. and that's NOT the exact moment the Islamic world began to go backwards, that's since 1750-1800 in my opinion.. After the industrial revolution, OTTOMAN EMPIRE could not adapt the change the Europe had gone through and that's the end of it.. So you can see there were lots of time that KHILAFAH could save the day... Arabian territory was even worse at that days..

And I've read more than 10 books concerning with M.K. Ataturk's life, they were collections of memories from his close friends, from his rival commanders even enemies... and unfortunately referring to what you're saying, you are far from understanding his life and cause... he was a pure mastermind.. your claims about him being alcoholic are, in most kind expression, ludicrous...

I repeat, M.K. Ataturk was also FOND OF RELIGION!!... I wish I had time for translating his speech in Mosque of Balikesir, in which he talks favourly about religion and Prophet Muhammed... do you know what, ATATURK ALSO THINKS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMED WAS A GENIUS AS A COMMANDER IN WAR AND A GREAT STATE ADMINISTRATOR... These are his ideas I got from one of that books.. He read about the WAR OF HENDEK (ditch, trench) and commented to his close friend called Salih Bozok..

so, Ataturk DID NOT SUPPRESSED ISLAM AND RELIGION, I don't know where you get your flawed info, I wish you correct it at once..

 

[kobashi]

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

there is also hadiths.

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (Saw) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)

Kemal Abolished Sharia Law in 1924 and replaced it with a European-style legal system.

No evidence lies in the text to back this up. “O you who believe, Obey Allah, Obey His Messenger and those in authority from amongst you and if you differ then refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day.” (TMQ Al-Nisa: 59)

Allah commanded His Messenger to rule the Muslims by that which He, revealed to him; the command of Allah was conveyed in the most decisive manner. Allah addressed His Messenger (sallAllahu alaihi wasallam):

“And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you”. [TMQ 5:48]

“And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you”. [TMQ 5:49]

There is no evidence in the in the quran or sunnah that can support a Secular republic state.

Did not Kemal replace the arabic script with Latin alphabet?

Did he not introduce a western calender instead of the Islamic Calender?

Did Kemal not have religious schools closed? Was public education not secularised?

Were Not the Islamic Parties/Supports of the Sharia who didnt support the Secular State brutally punished by Kemal's forces?

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/History/ataturk.htm

near enough all of this is reported by western writers and not Islamists.

Would you agree that the modern Turkish state is a militant secular state. Do you think that the state’s treatment of Islamists is right?

Is it true that you can be arrested if you chant slogans against Atuturk in public?

 

[Hans]

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

Muhammad has four wives and ****s 12 year old, now shut up . . .

Turns you on ? I bet.

 

[The_Knight]

Muhammad has four wives and ****s 12 year old, now shut up . . .

Turns you on ? I bet.

Wow man you really impressed me, you are so resourceful.

Now that I've seen this highly brainstorming photo, I can be a better, thinking human being.

You know how a post is so stupid, and dull, you don't think its even worth trying to reply/correct? Well I'm pretty sure you don't, as obviously, any other single post on this forum is relatively 'clever and insightful' as compared to this one... I'm just trying to put myself in your shoes, see the thing from your prespective....

No disrespect man, I have a question that's really confusing me: When she covers her breasts, do they remain there? I mean do they vanish? Or do all women have them, and she's the one who decided to make a living out of flashing them everywhere?

That's just so deep... sooo deep.

Keep up the profound, mind-challenging posts, really.

 

[The_Knight]

And Kobashi: will u drop it already?

 

[theedor]

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

there is also hadiths.

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (Saw) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)

Kemal Abolished Sharia Law in 1924 and replaced it with a European-style legal system.

No evidence lies in the text to back this up. “O you who believe, Obey Allah, Obey His Messenger and those in authority from amongst you and if you differ then refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day.” (TMQ Al-Nisa: 59)

Allah commanded His Messenger to rule the Muslims by that which He, revealed to him; the command of Allah was conveyed in the most decisive manner. Allah addressed His Messenger (sallAllahu alaihi wasallam):

“And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you”. [TMQ 5:48]

“And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you”. [TMQ 5:49]

There is no evidence in the in the quran or sunnah that can support a Secular republic state.

Did not Kemal replace the arabic script with Latin alphabet?

Did he not introduce a western calender instead of the Islamic Calender?

Did Kemal not have religious schools closed? Was public education not secularised?

Were Not the Islamic Parties/Supports of the Sharia who didnt support the Secular State brutally punished by Kemal's forces?

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/History/ataturk.htm

near enough all of this is reported by western writers and not Islamists.

Would you agree that the modern Turkish state is a militant secular state. Do you think that the state’s treatment of Islamists is right?

Is it true that you can be arrested if you chant slogans against Atuturk in public?

for your last questions:

1- I am concerned with the Republican State... only the islamist who dreams about changing the REPUBLIC are TREATED that way and I find it RIGHT... on the other hand I can do ALL MY RELIGIOUS OBLIGATIONS without interference and NOONE IS FORCED to do them... that's the way aha aha I like it aha aha.....

2- it is TRUE you can be arrested if you chant slogans against ATATURK but it is not a law put in charge by ATATURK itself....

and if you chant slogans against me the law can also charge you for swearing against me.. that's the beauty of law...

and honestly I don't get the message "women should wear hijab" that you got from the Holy Qu'ran.... and for the prophets' words, not all of them are trustable, unfortunately some of his words are flawed and I only look for the holy book..

Muhammad has four wives and ****s 12 year old, now shut up . . .

Shut the Fcuk Up.... I do SHOW RESPECT to your religion and this is ORDERED TO ME BY MY RELIGION... So I'm expecting the same from you..

 

[D-12]

I hope that turkey wont come to europa .
they are worse then cancer if u ask me.
in all countrys where moslims come they cause problems so they must stay in their gay coutnry or just die .