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The England National team thread

adedawson

Senior Squad
Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, David James, Robert Green.

Defenders: Leighton Baines, Jamie Carragher, Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Ledley King, John Terry, Matthew Upson, Stephen Warnock.

Midfielders: Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Tom Huddlestone, Adam Johnson, Frank Lampard, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Scott Parker, Theo Walcott, Shaun Wright-Phillips.

Forwards: Darren Bent, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Emile Heskey, Wayne Rooney.
 

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
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I'd omit Warnock, Bent, Wright-Phillips, Ferdinand, Walcott, Carrick and Huddlestone from the squad. I would call-up Carlton (or Zamora) over Heskey, but whatever.

But I predict that Warnock, King, Parker, Wright-Phillips, Bent, Walcott and Joe Cole will get the boot. Perhaps Dawson over one of the wingers.
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
I don't think Warnock will get the boot due to the lack of cover at left-back.

I do hope both Joe Cole and Scott Parker(perfect backup for Barry) will make the final cut tho.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Not surprised to see Hargreaves missing. Did anyone think that he'd earned a place in the squad after being out for 20 months. He'll never again be the player he used to be in my opinion, and I'll be very surprised if he ever regularly plays for United again let alone England. 2006 was his best year for England and that was 4 long years ago.

No probs with the GK's.

Can't see the point in taking King. He plays one game and is out for a week, and that's useless for a tourney that lasts a month.

Carrick is pants and I hope he gets left out. Johnson is good on the wing, but he's a crap defender, so unless Fabio means to utilise his wing play, I'd leave him behind too. Joe Cole will be going, I have no doubt about that at all.

Thanks to Wayne Bridge the immature prick, we are short of cover for left back, but I too think Warnock should do OK there. Bridge has been awful since his move to City, so perhaps he wouldn't have won himself a place anyway. He was a great player at Chelsea, but now he's awful. Strange that.

Not got a lot of choice regarding forwards I suppose. Rooney is fantastic of course. Crouch and Heskey always play their part, so I'm happy with them. Bent will be left behind I think. We don't rely only on our strikers for our goals anyhow.

Anyway we'll soon find out who is and who isn't I guess.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Zakov;2867826 said:
I don't think Warnock will get the boot due to the lack of cover at left-back.

Are 2 left back players not enough? Assuming you're playing 4-4-2, two players per position would be enough I guess. i.e. 2 LB, 2 RB, 4 wingers, 4CB, 4 strikers etc.

Out of the 30, I'd snub Warnock, King, J. Cole, Huddlestone, Heskey, SWP, Parker.

But most likely: Warnock, King, Parker, Wright-Phillips, Bent, Huddlestone, J. Cole.

No way Walcott will be snubbed by Capello.
 

chuckoberto

Club Supporter
great players. i hope england get further to the semi finals at leat in this world cup. i got my expectations with the quality of your players.

and hope they beat the crap out of those god damn mexicans, highly overrated team.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
England sucks so far. They play as if they have no motivation whatsoever. Boring game. The crouch goal was both offside and handball. I don't get Crouch. He's so tall but he decides to score with his arm.

EDIT: Chicharito is on :)
 

night

Starting XI
The English media put the English players at a disadvantage. First they overhype every single player and you see headlines like "this year is our year" and "this year is the repeat of 1966". When England is knocked out, the media changes their face and they go on crucifying every player.
They oscillate between overhype and crucifixion which probably puts tremendous pressure on the England players to do well..
 

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
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That's because:

1. He's not English (boiling down to what night said)
2. No one likes Drogba (because of his once frequent diving)
3. He wasn't head-and-shoulders above everyone on his team. Rooney carried ManU and was regularly the best man out of 22. Drogba played as well as Rooney, but his teammates played better than Rooney's, so he doesn't look as good by comparison.
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
Nady;2875474 said:
Yes thats true. A player like Drogba (29 goals) for eg doesn't get as much praise as Rooney.
as Eyal mentioned, it's that Rooney is English, and Drogs isn't ... they'll praise Drogba like crazy when he does well, just as they did Cristiano, Titi, or Cantona ... but when it's an English player involved, suddenly the national pride factor overrides rationality, and the praise reaches another level ... it contributes heavily to the problem night is talking about ...


night;2875466 said:
The English media put the English players at a disadvantage. First they overhype every single player and you see headlines like "this year is our year" and "this year is the repeat of 1966". When England is knocked out, the media changes their face and they go on crucifying every player.
They oscillate between overhype and crucifixion which probably puts tremendous pressure on the England players to do well..
the English "pundits" get so convinced that English players from the Prem are the stars of their teams, thus believing the England national team to be a sort of Premiership All-Stars unit .... but that's just not the case ... and the growing hype of the Prem has only worsened the situation ...

I'm not an England supporter, and this should suit me fine ... but I don't like England because of their lack of entertainment appeal for me ... and the baseless arrogant hype just makes it worse ... but if they sorted themselves out and played well (to my eyes), then I could focus on enjoying what they display on the pitch ...

the performance against Mexico was very unimpressive ... some analysts did admit that that was the case, but not necessarily for the right reason ... apparently England were supposed to have delivered a thumping victory against Mexico at the "hallowed" new Wembley Stadium, in their last home friendly before departing to South Africa ... how could anyone expect a hiding to nothing against Mexico? well, due to the very same "overhype" and thus overrating of the England players' abilities ... Mexico are not a great team at the moment, but they are not bunnies either ...

there was an element of ludicrousness from the commentary and analysis -- like with Crouch's goal, when it was glossed over quite quickly that the goal was both offside and a handball; what hypocrisy for a country that still complains about Maradona's hand of God goal ... I know some fans may readily admit it, but the TV coverage certainly didn't ... anyway, this was no big occasion, so no need for me or the opposition to fuss about it too much ...

the other thing that I found ludicrous was when England were being praised for being able to win even when they were playing badly ... I find that hilarious because it was Mexico's profligacy and lack of fortune in front of goal, combined with the aforementioned offside + handball Crouch goal, that kept England in front at the break ... Vela should have buried his chance, but his tame effort made Robert Green look a hero, while Salcido was unlucky to see his curling shot go out off the upright ... if Crouch's goal was disallowed (as it should have been), and Vela took his chance, then guess who's not only not playing well, but not winning too?

this isn't about reading too much into England's potential based on one match; I'm sure Capello would have taken note of everything that didn't work ... no, the point is about how the pre-tournament tradition of English "pundits" and analysts creating baseless expectations through the media lives on strong ...

but wouldn't it be ironic if, since this could be the last-chance saloon for a few of the 30+ year-olds, the excessive hype actually makes the need for success inescapably apparent, thereby energizing those players to finally rise to the occasion?
 

mnj2x

Senior Squad
^^ I agree... Mexico outplayed england although the scoreline suggests otherwise. I would be pretty concerned if i were capello but its only the first "get-together" after a long season so lets judge them after a couple of friendlies.
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
Jesus this must be a 6 monthly hobby of ours Xifio. You bash England and the British Media and I defend them.

Xifio;2875490 said:
as Eyal mentioned, it's that Rooney is English, and Drogs isn't ... they'll praise Drogba like crazy when he does well, just as they did Cristiano, Titi, or Cantona ... but when it's an English player involved, suddenly the national pride factor overrides rationality, and the praise reaches another level ... it contributes heavily to the problem night is talking about ...

You sound surprised that a country with the footballing history of ours has bias too an English player of said nations national sport. :eek: Rooney and other English players get the same attention every year when the national game starts. Even more of an emphasis this year since Rooney did so well.

You think the majority of English people would buy a paper during the start of the world cup with Rooney on the front page talking about the hope of winning the world cup or Drogba...


Xifio;2875490 said:
the English "pundits" get so convinced that English players from the Prem are the stars of their teams, thus believing the England national team to be a sort of Premiership All-Stars unit .... but that's just not the case ... and the growing hype of the Prem has only worsened the situation ...

And they not the stars of there teams? Wayne Rooney, Lampard, John Terry, Defoe etc. Your trying to tell me these guys are not prolific players of there respective teams.

Not that I think were a 'Premiership All-Stars unit'. There's plenty of problems all over the pitch, we lack some real quality but this is a major national event at this level every team is great. Just look at what Greece did. Things like that give even more hope to us winning something, nothing wrong with a little national pride and patriotism.

Xifio;2875490 said:
I'm not an England supporter,

O really, I could never of guessed :innocent_smile_1:

Xifio;2875490 said:
and this should suit me fine ... but I don't like England because of their lack of entertainment appeal for me ... and the baseless arrogant hype just makes it worse ... but if they sorted themselves out and played well (to my eyes), then I could focus on enjoying what they display on the pitch ...

the performance against Mexico was very unimpressive ... some analysts did admit that that was the case, but not necessarily for the right reason ... apparently England were supposed to have delivered a thumping victory against Mexico at the "hallowed" new Wembley Stadium, in their last home friendly before departing to South Africa ... how could anyone expect a hiding to nothing against Mexico? well, due to the very same "overhype" and thus overrating of the England players' abilities ... Mexico are not a great team at the moment, but they are not bunnies either ...

Yeah we sucked, what were you hoping for? you would think the decades of failure would give you a hint of the result. 'supposed to give a thumping victory' yeah that must be like how Rooney is going to win the world cup this year firing lighting bolts from his arse smiting our foes. Get real... mickey mouse media. :rolleyes:

Xifio;2875490 said:
there was an element of ludicrousness from the commentary and analysis -- like with Crouch's goal, when it was glossed over quite quickly that the goal was both offside and a handball; what hypocrisy for a country that still complains about Maradona's hand of God goal ... I know some fans may readily admit it, but the TV coverage certainly didn't ... anyway, this was no big occasion, so no need for me or the opposition to fuss about it too much ...

That doesn't even warrant a response.

Xifio;2875490 said:
the other thing that I found ludicrous was when England were being praised for being able to win even when they were playing badly ... I find that hilarious because it was Mexico's profligacy and lack of fortune in front of goal, combined with the aforementioned offside + handball Crouch goal, that kept England in front at the break ... Vela should have buried his chance, but his tame effort made Robert Green look a hero, while Salcido was unlucky to see his curling shot go out off the upright ... if Crouch's goal was disallowed (as it should have been), and Vela took his chance, then guess who's not only not playing well, but not winning too?

I'd hardly call it praise... you already agreed how badly we played and the fact is we won and that was addressed.

Xifio;2875490 said:
this isn't about reading too much into England's potential based on one match; I'm sure Capello would have taken note of everything that didn't work ... no, the point is about how the pre-tournament tradition of English "pundits" and analysts creating baseless expectations through the media lives on strong ...

Spain 0–2
Netherlands 2–2
Brazil 0–1

We didn't qualify for Europe and every significant team of note we play we have lost or drawn but O yes super Capello to the rescue. You never know but I expect him to fail like the rest. Although I think this is one of the stronger teams we have had for a while. Prodigal players most at the height of there experience. I think i'll go with the Pundits sugar coated optimism then reality and look forward to the hope we may win something then go into utter depression before United takes over (Y)

But that's the world cup for you, blinded by the utter passion and hope that your team will do well!! There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Xifio;2875490 said:
but wouldn't it be ironic if, since this could be the last-chance saloon for a few of the 30+ year-olds, the excessive hype actually makes the need for success inescapably apparent, thereby energizing those players to finally rise to the occasion?

ironic that's one word for it. I'd call it a fecking miracle. But Again this is England and we will follow them to hell and back. Time to step up and get the fighting gloves on :sKIp_E: because fight we will have too.
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
couldn't resist making a new sig for the world cup based on the new nike advert :innocent_smile_1:







and just because its a classic


feel free to use them :D
 

Xifio

The Von Trapps
adedawson;2876011 said:
Jesus this must be a 6 monthly hobby of ours Xifio. You bash England and the British Media and I defend them.
haha, I thought it might be, but it looks like I agree with most of what you have said ...



adedawson;2876011 said:
You sound surprised that a country with the footballing history of ours has bias too an English player of said nations national sport. :eek: Rooney and other English players get the same attention every year when the national game starts.
don't know about the "footballing history" part -- yeah, you invented the sport, but it is difficult to find a time ever when it can be said you were globally the masters of it (and I don't mean just winning the Cup in 1966; Greece won the EUROs in 2004, but I don't think anyone considered Greece to be the best team in Europe) ...

and no I'm not surprised, but disappointed ... it may not ever change, so I highlight it only now and again just to reflect that unfortunate status quo ...



adedawson;2876011 said:
And there not the stars of there teams? Wayne Rooney, Lampard, John Terry, Defoe etc. Your trying to tell me these guys are not prolific players of there respective teams.
they are good players for their teams, and the 3-4 English starters for the English Champions League teams get a lot of the attention because of their nationality ... but the significance of the contributions of the various international players cannot be neglected ... for example, in defence: Rio looks a bit exposed without Vidić; same goes for Terry without Ricardo Carvalho ... so pairing Terry and Rio together in central defence is going to have some glaring deficiencies, IMHO ...


adedawson;2876011 said:
Not that I think were a 'Premiership All-Stars unit'. There's plenty of problems all over the pitch, we lack some real quality but this is a major national event at this level every team is great. Just look at what Greece did. Things like that give even more hope to us winning something, nothing wrong with a little national pride and patriotism.
fair enough, and I'm glad you recognize the lack of depth in certain areas of the team ... and yes, patriotism is understandable to a degree, but the problems start when it slips into jingoism ...



adedawson;2876011 said:
O really, I could never of guessed :innocent_smile_1:
:)



adedawson;2876011 said:
Yeah we sucked, what were you hoping for? you would think the decades of failure would give you a hint of the result. 'supposed to give a thumping victory' yeah that must be like how Rooney is going to win the world cup this year firing lighting bolts from his arse smiting our foes. Get real... mickey mouse media. :rolleyes:
hahaha, the Rooney imagery was brilliantly scribed! :rofl: ... and you've hit the nail on the head as far as the situation is concerned ...


adedawson;2876011 said:
Spain 0–2
Netherlands 2–2
Brazil 0–1

We didn't qualify for Europe and every significant team of note we play we have lost or drawn but O yes super Capello to the rescue. You never know but I expect him to fail like the rest. Although I think this is one of the stronger teams we have had for a while. Prodigal players most at the height of there experience. I think i'll go with the Pundits sugar coated optimism then reality and look forward to the hope we may win something then go into utter depression before United takes over (Y)
you see reason, you see rationality, and credit to you ... but you still choose the temporary "ignorance is bliss" approach? well, I suppose there is always a chance that the media hype about England winning the World Cup could actually turn into reality, in which case it is no ignorance, only bliss ...


adedawson;2876011 said:
But that's the world cup for you, blinded by the utter passion and hope that your team will do well!! There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I've lived too internationally to empathize with nationalism, but I do recognize that the urge to do what you've described pervades most of society ... again, as long as reason does not escape the situation, and emotion does not descend into violence, I suppose I have to agree that there is no real harm done ...
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
Xifio;2876217 said:
haha, I thought it might be, but it looks like I agree with most of what you have said ...

don't know about the "footballing history" part -- yeah, you invented the sport, but it is difficult to find a time ever when it can be said you were globally the masters of it (and I don't mean just winning the Cup in 1966; Greece won the EUROs in 2004, but I don't think anyone considered Greece to be the best team in Europe) ...

Yeah I guess we invented the modern game, but we have invented a lot of games then the world beats us at them haha. When I referred to the football history part I was referring to us having the oldest FA's, the oldest clubs we helped spread the game to the world... the history. England is ripe with footballing traditions and has been for a long time thus is very passionate about said sport. Hence our players are raved about by our media every chance they get, expect no less from fanatics.


Xifio;2876217 said:
they are good players for their teams, and the 3-4 English starters for the English Champions League teams get a lot of the attention because of their nationality ... but the significance of the contributions of the various international players cannot be neglected ... for example, in defence: Rio looks a bit exposed without Vidić; same goes for Terry without Ricardo Carvalho ... so pairing Terry and Rio together in central defence is going to have some glaring deficiencies, IMHO ...

I agree, I've said this to some friends for some time. It applies to a lot of people though. Players transferring for mega bucks then flopping due to teams no longer being built around them or no longer having X player feeding him balls etc.

Although I think Terry and Rio make a great partnership or did. Rio also did amazing long before Vidic arrived and was the better player. I'm not sure that's the case now though, not that rio's a bad player. They both been getting injured a lot.

Our back line up is usually one of the strongest positions for England too... but we will see how that goes, Carragher worries me.

Xifio;2876217 said:
you see reason, you see rationality, and credit to you ... but you still choose the temporary "ignorance is bliss" approach? well, I suppose there is always a chance that the media hype about England winning the World Cup could actually turn into reality, in which case it is no ignorance, only bliss ...

Its not just the media... the nation is clutching at straws, and the media is feeding us what we want to hear.

Xifio;2876217 said:
I've lived too internationally to empathize with nationalism, but I do recognize that the urge to do what you've described pervades most of society ... again, as long as reason does not escape the situation, and emotion does not descend into violence, I suppose I have to agree that there is no real harm done ...

case closed :)
 


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