Ronaldo Milan deal agreed

[BRAZIL'S_#9]

That world cup record doesnt impress me considering the oppostion Brazil had in thier group. BUT I still think Ronaldo in his prime was the BEST striker ever.

u know turkey did come in third dat year..

btw Socrates.. after Raul is at least awarded a Ballon D'Or then he can maybe start getting on the level that Ronaldo has been before.. c'mon he at least had to have won one of those for all those years playing in a top team. Anyways what matters is that in 10 years when you ask a person from every continent who was a better soccer player between Raul and Ronaldo I bet u Ronie wud take the cake on that one, oh and i would take those answer over the POY awards that he's gotten since u my sir think they are rubbish.
So go wish for the El Capitan to at least help out on defense, which Real is still in major need, while Ronie is gonna go show once again while him along with Zidane was the best player of the late 90s.

 

[big al]

Your actually comparing Ronaldo to Pele, hahahaa how old are you? Raul has scored a ****load of goals too and so have many others yet Ronaldo still gets the edge.

PSV where Kezman was the **** but we all know how good he is. Barca where he had one amazing season but did not win ****. Inter where he still did not win **** and because you so consentrated on his goals I also think tha the did not win any topscorer award for Serie A while at Inter. Man so amazing.

why even bother anymore lol

 

[big al]

u know turkey did come in third dat year..

btw Socrates.. after Raul is at least awarded a Ballon D'Or then he can maybe start getting on the level that Ronaldo has been before.. c'mon he at least had to have won one of those for all those years playing in a top team. Anyways what matters is that in 10 years when you ask a person from every continent who was a better soccer player between Raul and Ronaldo I bet u Ronie wud take the cake on that one, oh and i would take those answer over the POY awards that he's gotten since u my sir think they are rubbish.
So go wish for the El Capitan to at least help out on defense, which Real is still in major need, while Ronie is gonna go show once again while him along with Zidane was the best player of the late 90s.

if you noticed , lots of rauls awards have to do with madrid and not just him like i mention before, raul wouldnt be nothing in another team that wasnt madrid, its easy beeing raul when you are in a team like madrid.

 

[d3adly]

supposedly he will wear #99.

the only 'decent' number left at Milan is #14.

numbers dont matter, its his performances that will.

 

[Socrates]

if you noticed , lots of rauls awards have to do with madrid and not just him like i mention before, raul wouldnt be nothing in another team that wasnt madrid, its easy beeing raul when you are in a team like madrid.

Ronaldo would not be anything if it was another team than Brazil, its easy being Ronaldo when you are in a team like Brazil.

 

[Maichal1616]

Haha, Raul vs Ronaldo, what an incredibly laughable debate. Ask any fan of any club besides Real Madrid if they'd rather have Ronaldo in his prime or Raul. Ronaldo in his prime (1996-1998) was the best player in the world. Raul had a few years when he was really good but never in the same league with Ronaldo. It's not even a subjective opinion, it's a fact. Anyone who actually saw Ronaldo play for Barca and Inter back in the 90's wouldn't argue with that.

 

[Daniel David]

This debate goes nowhere. For a Real fan, obviously Raul > Ronaldo. As for historical "NPOV", Ronaldo > Raul. Instead, I propose a statement to which more people will agree: "as for my club, muchas gracias but neither..."

 

[big al]

Ronaldo would not be anything if it was another team than Brazil, its easy being Ronaldo when you are in a team like Brazil.

haha well you just prove my point, ronaldo didnt just played for brasil did he, dont forget cruzeiro, psv , barca , inter , he did amazing on all teams, hell even after all the injurys he won a pichichi with you guys and help you won the only league you won on recent years, you say i am blinded because i am only focused on his goals, well your are blinded with raul cause the majority of those tiltles werent just aboute of him, or when madrid won all those CL's and ligas was he playing solo. ?

 

[Socrates]

haha well you just prove my point, ronaldo didnt just played for brasil did he, dont forget cruzeiro, psv , barca , inter , he did amazing on all teams, hell even after all the injurys he won a pichichi with you guys and help you won the only league you won on recent years, you say i am blinded because i am only focused on his goals, well your are blinded with raul cause the majority of those tiltles werent just because of him, or when madrid won all those CL's and ligas was he playing solo. ?

You do realize that Raul has scored lots of goals for us right? But its not just goals he has offered alot more than Ronaldo ever did for any of those teams. Anyway he scored in 2 of the 3 CL finals that we won. We won titles because he was one of the best players we had scoring goals or assisting or defending or doing whatever we needed of him.

 

[big al]

This debate goes nowhere. For a Real fan, obviously Raul > Ronaldo. As for historical "NPOV", Ronaldo > Raul. Instead, I propose a statement to which more people will agree: "as for my club, muchas gracias but neither..."

haha so true,

 

[jani]

Socrates, you really arent making any sense. Ronaldo at his prime, dare I say, best player I've seen EVER.

And what you said about Ronaldo being great because he plays for Brazil? Thats completely wrong and actually applies 100% to Raul!

 

[big al]

You do realize that Raul has scored lots of goals for us right? But its not just goals he has offered alot more than Ronaldo ever did for any of those teams. Anyway he scored in 2 of the 3 CL finals that we won. We won titles because he was one of the best players we had scoring goals or assisting or defending or doing whatever we needed of him.

ok then i wont mention that ronaldo scored 2 goals on a WC final, and beeing the top scorer of all time in WC's. ; which ill bet you consider rubbish also; i mean sheva is right you dont make any sense, in your posts its like you are saying everything raul has done is relevant, but ronaldo's acomplishments are rubbish, very nice.

the only thing that maybe we can agree is that both of them are out form for a while now; lets see just how ronaldo does in milan, and what can raul do if capello puts him in the position that he likes.

 

[Socrates]

Socrates, you really arent making any sense. Ronaldo at his prime, dare I say, best player I've seen EVER.

And what you said about Ronaldo being great because he plays for Brazil? Thats completely wrong and actually applies 100% to Raul!

I guess you not seen too many players than?

Eh, It was a response to Big al's comment about Raul only being good because he plays for Madrid, It was not a serious comment but obiviously you failed to see that. So why does it apply to Raul but not Ronaldo? I can't even count the amount of players that have come to Madrid and failed.

big al - As I said before, he has done it on the international level but thats it. I don't think its rubbish and I also think Ronaldo had a very good ability but very poor attitude which held him back from doing much more. This all started for a different reason but a lot of you guys are overlooking Raul, I don't know why if its because he was not as "flashy" or Brazilian or whatever. Anyway I'm done with this conversation because no matter what Ronaldo can't be anything other than amazing to you guys.

 

[WilliamFAlmeida]

And no matter what raul will be amazing to you just because he was in the squad during some important games... When did Raul actually CARRY a team to a title? And I dont mean carry in the sense of giving nice plesant interviews- I mean scoring and doing something on the field because no one else would? I think that one CL final. which is a great accomplishment- dont get me wrong- but R9 has done alot more.

If its because of Brasil- that Ronaldo is good then please explain to me- Luis Fabiano, Adriano, R Oliveira, Edmundo, Edilson, etc..... where were they after playing as striker for Brasil? Are you telling me Brasil wouldve won the 2002 WC WITHOUT Ronaldo's 8 gols?

And not to mention just gols- Ronaldo gives more assists than Raul does too. Look at the stats. Look at the overall carreer stats.

the truth on the matter is that Raul has been rubbish for the last 4 years, and Ronaldo along with Casillas has been the best Madrid player. Even though Ronaldo is lazy or whatever you want to call him- he's been the best Madrista in the past 4 years. Zidane, Figo nor Raul kept a high level throughout the whole season like R9 did.


And another thing:
Helguera says that Ronaldo was a very nice player to have in the dressing room.
Cannavaro says Ronaldo is still the best
Del Bosque said that Ronaldo unites the dressing room- not divide it.

so I ask- where IS the problem when Madrid hasnt won titles for the past 4 years? I think its the one guy who never performs, but for some reason is always playing.

 

[MaestroZidane]

WIth this current debate going around about ronaldo and raul. I guess there is one thing that can be agreed on. The remaining of the season will show who can actually score goals and will do more for the team, Ronaldo or Raul.

 

[mark77]

Pippo will have a bigger lower lip now that Ronnie is with Milan and Oliveira stayed.

 

[Harmsworth1]

numbers dont matter, its his performances that will.

Numbers indicate performance....

 

[Maichal1616]

big al - As I said before, he has done it on the international level but thats it.

You're so full of s'hit it's unbelievable. Go watch some video clips of Ronaldo playing for Barca or Inter and come tell me that he hasn't proven his class in club football. I'll say it again, on his day he was the best player in the world. His goal count proves that and so did his overall performances. There was a reason he was so highly rated as a player. He has done it on any level more than Raul could ever have and that's because he is amongst the most talented players ever. There are several reasons why he won't be remembered as one of the greatest ever but he's not that far behind. Whereas in 15 years no-one besides Real fans will remember Raul.

 

[Socrates]

And no matter what raul will be amazing to you just because he was in the squad during some important games... When did Raul actually CARRY a team to a title? And I dont mean carry in the sense of giving nice plesant interviews- I mean scoring and doing something on the field because no one else would? I think that one CL final. which is a great accomplishment- dont get me wrong- but R9 has done alot more.

That's were you wrong, if it were true than I would want Raul to start right now but I don't. Well his 3 CL's, 4 Liga's, and other titles were when he carried the team because he was an important part of the team. He has more than just 1 CL final to boast about.

If its because of Brasil- that Ronaldo is good then please explain to me- Luis Fabiano, Adriano, R Oliveira, Edmundo, Edilson, etc..... where were they after playing as striker for Brasil? Are you telling me Brasil wouldve won the 2002 WC WITHOUT Ronaldo's 8 gols?

For the last time it wa snot a serious comment, Jesus do you have trouble reading? I was responding to big al's comment about Raul only being good because he is with Madrid, I just filled the name and teams to show him how stupid he sounded. Of course both comments are not true but the difference was that mine was not serious.

And not to mention just gols- Ronaldo gives more assists than Raul does too. Look at the stats. Look at the overall carreer stats.

Ronaldo and work seem to not match, well Ronaldo and poor attitude do match though.

the truth on the matter is that Raul has been rubbish for the last 4 years, and Ronaldo along with Casillas has been the best Madrid player. Even though Ronaldo is lazy or whatever you want to call him- he's been the best Madrista in the past 4 years. Zidane, Figo nor Raul kept a high level throughout the whole season like R9 did.

Ronaldo was the only striker the team had, he geez he is the topscorer and like I said he has talent but a poor attitude. Sometimes it feels like you don't even read my post? Anyway Ronaldo was bought for marketing reasons just like Beckham was because at the time both positions were very strong with Figo and El Moro.

And another thing:
Helguera says that Ronaldo was a very nice player to have in the dressing room.
Cannavaro says Ronaldo is still the best
Del Bosque said that Ronaldo unites the dressing room- not divide it.

The same Helguera who threated to join Barca if he did not get a new contract? And please don't tell me you beleive everything the players say to the media. Del Bosque, the guy who let the superstars do anything they wanted to. Cannavaro plays like he is drunk, maybe he was drunk when he said that?

so I ask- where IS the problem when Madrid hasnt won titles for the past 4 years? I think its the one guy who never performs, but for some reason is always playing.

The problem is buying superstars that were not needed and letting the workers/squadplayers go. We had a very thin squad when Queiroz was coach otherwise we were actually doing good that season until the end.

You're so full of s'hit it's unbelievable. Go watch some video clips of Ronaldo playing for Barca or Inter and come tell me that he hasn't proven his class in club football. I'll say it again, on his day he was the best player in the world. His goal count proves that and so did his overall performances. There was a reason he was so highly rated as a player. He has done it on any level more than Raul could ever have and that's because he is amongst the most talented players ever. There are several reasons why he won't be remembered as one of the greatest ever but he's not that far behind. Whereas in 15 years no-one besides Real fans will remember Raul.

I'm full of **** because I have a different opinion than you do on the topic of Ronaldo, nice logic. I don't need to watch clips, I watched entire games of both players to judge them on my own. We already talked about his "amazing goal count" that got him so far. On his day, lol nice way of putting, maybe he should have more of these "days". There is also a reason why Raul was so highly rated aswell. O rly, what excatly has Ronaldo done in the CL? Not much. Raul has done more than him and won more than him, thats a fact. Maybe if your 10 than in 15 years you won't remember Raul but lots of other people will.

 

[big al]

The same Helguera who threated to join Barca if he did not get a new contract? And please don't tell me you beleive everything the players say to the media. Del Bosque, the guy who let the superstars do anything they wanted to. Cannavaro plays like he is drunk, maybe he was drunk when he said that?

and he says i sound stupid , so were did you hear ronaldo was a problem in the dressing rooms?, i guess you believe everything you read and hear too.



anyways lest just close this by saying socrates goes for raul , and the rest 99.99% of us deluded's goes for ronaldo; its ok if you prefer raul over ronaldo thats ok , we already cover that , but dont try to lie the rest of us or yourself for that matter only cause rony didnt love madrid or he had a bad attitude cause thats was your original point right?, if i know right madrid had to do a lot with how he became; coincidences dont exist in madrid; and proof of that is by you saying Ronaldo was bought for marketing reasons just like Beckham ,so who is to blame for that eh? who would love a team that only wants you for ratings ?... theirs still a load of bad attitude in madrid, it wasnt just ronaldo, if you dont like how madrid players turn out to be, i would suggest to you to route for another team mate, cause i wouldnt hold my breath on things changing any time soon, i would give my 2 cents robinho and other players would be next in line to start to give attitude problems, you just wait.