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ShiftyPowers
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Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.
Ugly Hag: "you know you can't even have sex with her. it's illegal"
Ugly Hag: "you know you can't even have sex with her. it's illegal"
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
"I dont care what schoolboys get up to after lights-out or in the back of the showers, but I do care if the games master decides to join in"
Chuckínho;3407043 said:
You've missed the point Chuck - it's not the law (in Australia, which is what I'm talking about.
And I agree with them.
I'm nearly 30, and I'm pretty sure I'd not be able to pick up a 16 year old very easily. At least not any easier than I would any other age...and if I did, what about that makes me a predator? I think it's a bit of an antiquated view that 16yos are naive enough to not know what they're doing in those situations.
That said, the laws in Australia do have provisions for positions of power (teachers etc) where the age of consent rises to 18.
yoyo913
Team Captain
16 is too young. Because a girl that young can be very impressionable and make mistakes because she is still much more immature and have poor decision making skills compared to someone in their 20s. And a 25+ guy dating her is a creep, a predator to a certain level. There is something somewhat dysfunctional with him for going for someone so young. And the reason society is against it too is because they share that common sense from being young themselves before/ having children.
When that 16 year old becomes 25 she will think and say "What was I thinking? That guy was such a creep. Imagine I wanted to date a 16yr old boy now." Of course there's no way to prove that since it's an example but my common sense says it's true and if you argue against it I don't know what to say... no more point in arguing about it.
I don't really care about the topic but I needed to combat some very faulty logic. 16year olds ARE naive, compared to someone in their 20s. And a 16yr old that dates a 25+ year old, will probably not find that 25+ year old attractive when she is older because he's a creep and she's learned the ways of the world a little. And the saying "Let them learn their mistakes", I wouldn't agree with. The older 25+ yr old is taking advantage of them. The girl should make mistakes with someone their own age in school.
When that 16 year old becomes 25 she will think and say "What was I thinking? That guy was such a creep. Imagine I wanted to date a 16yr old boy now." Of course there's no way to prove that since it's an example but my common sense says it's true and if you argue against it I don't know what to say... no more point in arguing about it.
I don't really care about the topic but I needed to combat some very faulty logic. 16year olds ARE naive, compared to someone in their 20s. And a 16yr old that dates a 25+ year old, will probably not find that 25+ year old attractive when she is older because he's a creep and she's learned the ways of the world a little. And the saying "Let them learn their mistakes", I wouldn't agree with. The older 25+ yr old is taking advantage of them. The girl should make mistakes with someone their own age in school.
Sir Didier Drogba
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ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
I say fuck you yoyo for internalizing all that bullshit. Yeah no kidding a 25 year old girl will think "what was I thinking" about dating a 25 year old when she was 16, but that's because girls rationalize everything through their self perception in the moment. I think there is nothing wrong with it at all and a 16 year old is old enough to make important decisions about things like this.
I doubt I would ever get with a 16 year old at my age, but I don't think it's wrong or bad if I did.
I doubt I would ever get with a 16 year old at my age, but I don't think it's wrong or bad if I did.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
I reckon you could get a 16 year old really easily.... the only difficulty would be meeting them. I do find when I see 16 year olds in the street in their school uniforms they look very, very young and I would think a man you age ShiftyPowers (36 right?) very weird, I mean they still like cartoons and lollypops and barbie lunchboxes and things.......
Yoyo, you've said they'd realise when they're 25? So that's your age of consent? Otherwise all of your arguments still apply.
The point is, a 16/17/18 yo is going to have sex if they want regardless. Making laws to stop them, doesn't stop them.
This reminds me a bit of the gay marriage debate, people seem to think that making something legal means it's going to happen more/all the time. I would suggest that there are no more Australians having sex at 16 than they're are 16yos from nations with higher age laws.
The point is, a 16/17/18 yo is going to have sex if they want regardless. Making laws to stop them, doesn't stop them.
This reminds me a bit of the gay marriage debate, people seem to think that making something legal means it's going to happen more/all the time. I would suggest that there are no more Australians having sex at 16 than they're are 16yos from nations with higher age laws.
Sir Didier Drogba
Head Official
If you attach the massive stigma of being a child sex offender to 30 year olds who have sex with 16 year olds by making it illegal to do so, you will reduce the number of 30 year olds entering into that kind of relationship, if that's what you want to do.
Sir C;3407309 said:
I believe you're confusing 9 year olds with 16yos.
Don't get me wrong, I see high school girls and think they're young, and question if I acted like that at their age, but that doesn't mean that they're too young to make a decision about having sex.
You're also under estimating how hard it would be to pick these girls up. You can't just trick them into sex because you're older, and they're 16 and naive. They would generally consider the idea of an older guy gross, and younger guys they'd have sex with, regardless of any laws, if they wanted to.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Sir C;3407337 said:
That's exactly what it is. Yoyo has internalized the idea that a 30 year old man being attracted to a 16 year old girl is a creep, an idea I find patently absurd.
Sir C;3407337 said:
So you're making laws on the hopes of prevention, not because they're the right laws to make? I don't think the number of 30yos dating under 18s would change much in all honesty. Your claim is like suggesting that prohibition works in drugs and alcohol, when every nation that tries the alternative finds they're no worse off.
The main reason those laws would be ridiculous are because you'd end up with people in legit relationships, being tarred with your "Child Sex Offender" brush. And that is just stupid.
I think the older you get, the age difference matters less and less but under 30, anything over 4 years is probably noticeable enough that it comes with disadvantages. In this era, most 24 year olds are in such a different place in life to 20 or 16 or 28 year olds that a long-term relationship doesn't sound sustainable.
I generally agree with yoyo although he kind of lost me in his argumentation. 16 year olds are mature enough for a lot of things, especially in the physical department, but engaging in any sexual relationship with one when you're much older is taking advantage of what is ultimately an immature mind. It's kind of like a professional playing poker with a novice. The novice knows what they're getting into, vaguely, and has sufficient knowledge to give it a go and has all the requisites to participate, and the pro is fully in his rights to play him and take all of his money but he's clearly taking advantage of a weak, unprepared opponent. Actually it's not similar because the stigma and consequences are not in proportion, but I'¡m too lazy to think of a better example.
Basically, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You wouldn't take the 16 year old's word on pretty much any subject other than ponies (I think, I haven't been 16 in a while, can't remember). 16 year olds are hardly equipped to take care of themselves, they're certainly not in a position to properly evaluate the situation when presented with a 25 year old penis. Some of them might even have sex with an uncut male! Ludicrous!
EDIT: I don't think anyone being interested in a 16 year old is a creep, it's perfectly understandable, but acting on it is different. Still not a creep, maybe morally reprehensible might be slightly better.
I generally agree with yoyo although he kind of lost me in his argumentation. 16 year olds are mature enough for a lot of things, especially in the physical department, but engaging in any sexual relationship with one when you're much older is taking advantage of what is ultimately an immature mind. It's kind of like a professional playing poker with a novice. The novice knows what they're getting into, vaguely, and has sufficient knowledge to give it a go and has all the requisites to participate, and the pro is fully in his rights to play him and take all of his money but he's clearly taking advantage of a weak, unprepared opponent. Actually it's not similar because the stigma and consequences are not in proportion, but I'¡m too lazy to think of a better example.
Basically, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You wouldn't take the 16 year old's word on pretty much any subject other than ponies (I think, I haven't been 16 in a while, can't remember). 16 year olds are hardly equipped to take care of themselves, they're certainly not in a position to properly evaluate the situation when presented with a 25 year old penis. Some of them might even have sex with an uncut male! Ludicrous!
EDIT: I don't think anyone being interested in a 16 year old is a creep, it's perfectly understandable, but acting on it is different. Still not a creep, maybe morally reprehensible might be slightly better.