PES4 stats related with FM2005 characters 1 by 1,IMO

[thenerdgod]

pubb you are doing good work for the community. Hopefully yannick will implement it into his software!

YANNICK YANNICK PLEASE LISTEN TO PUBB!

 

[Elkz]

Originally posted by Pablo_el
How about

Anti-Dribble
First Touch >17 and Technique >18 and Dribble > 15


1-Touch pass
first touch>17 AND Plays One Twos


I was also thinking how to convert jump. I came up with idea that the range of the attribute will vary depending on players height.

000 - 175 -> max 99
176 - 190 -> max 90
191 - 202 -> max 85

Good idea, i agree on your convertion of the jump attribute. Things like this will always have discrepencies though, no matter how hard you try.

 

[thenerdgod]

So pubb any reply from yannick if he will implement your brilliant ideas?

 

[pubb]

no reply yet.
I made some teams by hand to play.

 

[thenerdgod]

Yannick are you following this thread?

 

[pubb]

It's said in his homepage that he's unemployed. Maybe he's busy seeking a job.
There're still something needed to be rethought, such as 'scoring'. Now I'm using 'flair' to measure, but it seems 'flair' is just 'do unexpected'. 'unexpected' is not always good for a shot. Shevchenko and Crespo have no 'scoring' in my formula. That should not be the case maybe.
And 'aggression' is used to make 'reaction' calculation. That's not a good formula I think. Few players have high 'aggression' in CM, so that AC Milan has not a single player can be 'reaction' enabled. Is it ok?

 

[thenerdgod]

Why dont you formally list ALL your formulas to make it easier for Yannick?

Keep up the good work!

 

[clements]

Originally posted by pubb
It's said in his homepage that he's unemployed. Maybe he's busy seeking a job.
There're still something needed to be rethought, such as 'scoring'. Now I'm using 'flair' to measure, but it seems 'flair' is just 'do unexpected'. 'unexpected' is not always good for a shot. Shevchenko and Crespo have no 'scoring' in my formula. That should not be the case maybe.
And 'aggression' is used to make 'reaction' calculation. That's not a good formula I think. Few players have high 'aggression' in CM, so that AC Milan has not a single player can be 'reaction' enabled. Is it ok?

u can try giving scoring attribute to players with finishing >=18

 

[pubb]

Good idea!
I'd thought yannick got 'shooting acuracy' from 'finishing'. So I choosed 'flair' to avoid duplicating the 'shooting acuracy' with 'scoring'. It seems 'shooting acuracy' from yannick is a mixture.

Some thoughts from another man here:
Short pass speed: (passing+vision)/2, for quick short pass is useful to make a fatal through pass.
Long pass speed: (passing+long shots)/2
Weak foot accuracy: ((technique+weak foot)/40)*8
Weak foot frequency: (weak foot/strong foot)*8

His Weak foot series sounds reasonable.

 

[pubb]

I've found almost all SBs have low 'offense' stat, including some famous Wingback like Cafu, Belletti, Ashley Cole. Accordingly, they have high 'offense' in original KONAMI stats, higher than 70, even 80. Maybe it
remains a formula not so good.
Maybe we can recalculate 'offense' by considering more heavily on 'off the ball', as we know it is a value for 'offensive attitude'. Here are some 'off the ball' value for Wingback listed above(the value before the slash is the 'offense' value in current FM2005's conversion):

Cafu(49/18)
Paulo Ferreira(56/16)
Ashley Cole(53/16)
Zambrotta(56/14)
Robert Carlos(61/18)
Belletti(58/16)
J.Zanetti(53/16)

Any comments? I can't make my own formula out. It's out of my control for the complexity.

 

[clements]

the higher value of the WB ability in FM could be added to the calculated value..

Cafu (49+20==>69)
Paulo Ferreira (56+10==>66)
Ashley Cole (53+20==>73)
Zambrotta (56+20==>76)
Robert Carlos (61+20==>81)
Belletti (58+15==>73)
J.Zanetti (53+20==>73)

just a very simple suggestion though

 

[thenerdgod]

Its good to create new formulas but no point if Yannick won't implement them!

 

[pubb]

some changes:
'dribbling': when 'dribbling'>17, he will have this too however low his 'flair' is.
'passing': when 'passing'>17, he will have this too howerver low his 'decision' is.
'outside': 'technique>15' is added to the condition beside 'flair>15'.

These 3 special abilities are not so rare in original settings. So I enlarge the constrain. And I've found kschoice doesn't calculate 'short pass accuracy' only depending on 'passing'. It's a mixture too. The same situation goes to 'dribbling accuracy'. So when some players have an extremly high 'dribbling', they should be some special. The new formulas have little effect on 'great player' but it can offer 'good player' of some special abilities.

And, when a player have a 'AML/AMR' of 20 and 'AMC' of 20 too, his first position should be 'OMF' in PES now. WF is not a common position for a player in PES. And OMF is 'backer' than 'WF' in PES, even though they are in the same line in FM2005/CM.

 

[pubb]

I believe 'aggression' formula should be tweaked.
'aggression' in PES means 'attitude in attacking'. But 'aggression' in FM2005:

Aggression (absolutemental)
How aggressive he is. This is an onpitch
attribute and refers to the player’s attitude in a match. High
aggression will cause the player to make more tackles for example and get involved in play.

I suggest to use 'off the ball' as the base. In original stats, most of players with high 'aggression' are attacking players.

Hyypia with aggression 82 will go deep into attacking sometime. It's not good.

 

[pubb]

Adjust 'injure' turnpoint to be '15' and '10' as the thread top shows. Maybe they are the critical number in CM just like '15' in positions.
Then more players will be more unendurable and the coach has to prepare more formations

I announce the current version of mine as v0.8. If yannick comes to improve 'offense of SB' and 'aggression' calculation, I think that'll be a mean-to-perfect one.
If somebody likes to play with it, you can email to pubb at 163.net. I don't know how to upload a zip file with size of 600K.

 

[pronewbie]

have you editted every single player? If so you have to upload this...

 

[thenerdgod]

Yeah if you edited every player, then we must have it

 

[pubb]

'every' means thousands. But I have only 2 hands...
The following is what I edited:

National:
    Czech,England,France,Germany,Holland,Italy,Portugal,Spain,Argentina,Brazil
Clubs:
    Arsenal,Chelsea,Liverpool,Manchester U.,Hotspur,
    Monarco,Lion,
    Leverkusen,Bayern Munich,Scharlke 04,Wolfsburg,Bremen,
    AC Milan,Roma,Inter,Juventus,Parma,Udinese,
    Ajax,Eindhoven,
    Barce,Real Madrid,Valencia,
    Boca Junior,River Plate.

Maybe some mistakes still.

 

[pronewbie]

you can send it to soccergaming for them to upload into their server.. or alternatively upload the file to one of the many free servers... filemirror and even webhosts... hope to download it soon. And oh, how in your opinion does it play?

 

[pubb]

you can send it to soccergaming for them to upload into their server..

How to?

or alternatively upload the file to one of the many free servers... filemirror and even webhosts...

It's just an alpha version...The best way is lying besides Yannick.

hope to download it soon. And oh, how in your opinion does it play?

It's different. Umh...Can't tell where's the differences.