Manchester United vs AC Milan [P+R]

[Fernandez]

No need to start comparing again please. A great win. But I hope we don't sit back at the San Siro.

 

[ShearerM4]

Kaka > ronaldo

Your medal is in the post.

 

[WilliamFAlmeida]

I think this game shows that Kaka is the world's best player or up there with the top 3 Cronaldo included

 

[Nuno]

Kaka's second goal was basically an early Christmas present from Evra and Heinze, nothing more. Other than his goals, I forgot he was even on the pitch.

Cristiano, on the other hand scored early and never took his foot off the pedal. It was a joy to watch him terrorize the Milan defense.

 

[ShearerM4]

Ronaldo was far from brilliant last night. Had a great start to the game, but became rather counter productive at times. Trying too hard to do everything himself... not giving the ball in decent positions to his teammates (at one point even had a go at Evra even though it was his own crappy pass). Even losing the ball in dangerous positions on many occasions. Still had a good enough game overall.

Giggs and Scholes ran the engine room for United's surges of pressure.

 

[HellsideUltras]

I think if ac milan kept on attacking kaka would have scored another goal. Btw gilardino was crap today and they should have used inzaghi for sure. Hope milan play with inzaghi and the invisible gilardino at san siro

 

[BRAZIL'S_#9]

I can't believe u guys haven't mention this yet..
but I think the climax of the match was Rooney controlling scholes chip with his ARM and scoring his first goal. Before that Milan was going at them, and it was a matter of time for another milan goal maybe even a kaka hat-trick, he actually should of had finalized the game before Manu's 2nd goal... but that Hand-of-GOD-2 gave ManU hopes when Milan was about to run out of gas.

 

[big al]

sure, but 1 thing though. Ronaldo is not a forward, he is a winger, which makes his 21 goals that much more impressive.

of course , but 17 goals by a midfielder has more merits imo.

I think this game shows that Kaka is the world's best player or up there with the top 3 Cronaldo included

i think hes been showing that thruw out all the season.

Kaka's second goal was basically an early Christmas present from Evra and Heinze, nothing more. Other than his goals, I forgot he was even on the pitch.

Cristiano, on the other hand scored early and never took his foot off the pedal. It was a joy to watch him terrorize the Milan defense.

hows that? did evra or heinze suddenly gave the ball to kaka?, theirs a huge diference betwen evra and heinze looking like amateurs with kaka making them look like amateurs, that play was all kaka, he fought that ball like crazy even risking his integraty, heinze was a lucky fella he didnt got evras knee in his face that was intended for kaka;
and of course kaka dissapear in the second half , but manchester defense had nothing to do with that, kaka was milan's only offensive weapon , gilardino was crap , and milan went on the defensive mode, even so ill bet my life that every fan in old traford theirs hearts stop everytime kaka got the ball.

Ronaldo was far from brilliant last night. Had a great start to the game, but became rather counter productive at times. Trying too hard to do everything himself... not giving the ball in decent positions to his teammates (at one point even had a go at Evra even though it was his own crappy pass). Even losing the ball in dangerous positions on many occasions. Still had a good enough game overall.

Giggs and Scholes ran the engine room for United's surges of pressure.

nice to see their not only fanboy opinions here, gotta agree, ronaldo turned into the ronaldo of past seasons, he wanted to do all by himself, he played for himself and not for the team, otherwise we could have own that ****, and we would be talking about manchester already in the final, what manchester did to roma was no coincidence or fluke or luck, it was cristiano, he was everywere, he played for the team.

 

[Help?]

of course , but 17 goals by a midfielder has more merits imo.

What do you mean, man? Kaka is an attacking midfielder, Ronaldo is winger. They are both midfielders. You are confusing Ronaldo's role at United. He never played forward for us, the highest position he ever had was an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-1-1 formation and that happened like only once. Otherwise, he would always play either on the right or the left midfield position. The reason why he scored so many goals is because United's attack is all over the place for 40% of the time, but Ronaldo never played as a forward for us. He played somewhat of a free floating forward for Portugal but never for us.

 

[big al]

What do you mean, man? Kaka is an attacking midfielder, Ronaldo is winger. They are both midfielders. You are confusing Ronaldo's role at United. He never played forward for us, the highest position he ever had was an attacking midfielder in a 4-4-1-1 formation and that happened like only once. Otherwise, he would always play either on the right or the left midfield position. The reason why he scored so many goals is because United's attack is all over the place for 40% of the time, but Ronaldo never played as a forward for us. He played somewhat of a free floating forward for Portugal but never for us.

sorry mate but a winger isnt a midfielder in my acounts, at least in the role he has played for united, i seen ronaldo play for united many times, and believe me , he would never be consider as a midfielder, i think you are the one who has his position confuse, i might think you consider him a sidemidfielder or as we call them here in my country as " carrileros" which is completly diferent from a offensive winger, robben is a winger , and he would never be consider as a midfielder. i would consider him closely to a second forward. but hey to each his own. :chew:

 

[Vedran-10]

I think it depends on the system and the player.

For example, in Barca's 4-3-3, Messi and Ronaldinho play between the CMs and Eto'o but they're more of attackers than midfielders. In their case the term "attacking midfielder" would have an emphasis on "attacking".


In this case, however, I think CR is more of a midfielder than a forward.

 

[big al]

I think it depends on the system and the player.

For example, in Barca's 4-3-3, Messi and Ronaldinho play between the CMs and Eto'o but they're more of attackers than midfielders. In their case the term "attacking midfielder" would have an emphasis on "attacking".


In this case, however, I think CR is more of a midfielder than a forward.

i can totally agree that depends on the system, but from what i have saw from ronaldo in many games i would never consider him a midfielder, cause in the books you can call a winger a midfielder, but how you apply in the field its a whole diferent story, we just cant consider ronaldo and kaka as midifelders in the same sense, never.

 

[Help?]

They both like to attack a lot and they are both required to help out with the defense. Ronaldo has been playing as a right or left midfielder for the whole season. His position is the exact same that Giggs and Beckham have been having for years, only he alternates them a bit more. If you don't consider right/left midfielder as a midfielder, then does that mean that teams play with 2 midfielders and 4 forwards?

Kaka pushes forward just as much as Ronaldo does. Ferguson has been using the standard 4-4-2 almost every game this season and Ronaldo wasn't among the 2 forwards in that formation. Maybe in the older times a player playing wing position was classified as somewhat of a forward because he didn't have to defend, but believe me Ronaldo defends almost as much as he attacks. When the other team is attacking then he is always there helping out Evra or Neville, you wouldn't catch him hanging back near the halfway line, waiting for a big kick to chase.

I guess you are viewing wingers and right/left midfielders as different positions. And when the team is attacking, Ronaldo does seem to play somewhat of a more advanced position like a traditional winger, however when a team is defending Ronaldo is always there to help out the full-backs and that is a job of a midfielder. If Ronaldo wasn't defending as much as he is, then i would agree with you, otherwise i have to stick with the idea that Ronaldo is a midfielder for now.

 

[big al]

They both like to attack a lot and they are both required to help out with the defense. Ronaldo has been playing as a right or left midfielder for the whole season. His position is the exact same that Giggs and Beckham have been having for years, only he alternates them a bit more. If you don't consider right/left midfielder as a midfielder, then does that mean that teams play with 2 midfielders and 4 forwards?

Kaka pushes forward just as much as Ronaldo does. Ferguson has been using the standard 4-4-2 almost every game this season and Ronaldo wasn't among the 2 forwards in that formation. Maybe in the older times a player playing wing position was classified as somewhat of a forward because he didn't have to defend, but believe me Ronaldo defends almost as much as he attacks. When the other team is attacking then he is always there helping out Evra or Neville, you wouldn't catch him hanging back near the halfway line, waiting for a big kick to chase.

I guess you are viewing wingers and right/left midfielders as different positions. And when the team is attacking, Ronaldo does seem to play somewhat of a more advanced position like a traditional winger, however when a team is defending Ronaldo is always there to help out the full-backs and that is a job of a midfielder. If Ronaldo wasn't defending as much as he is, then i would agree with you, otherwise i have to stick with the idea that Ronaldo is a midfielder for now.

well yeah i consider wingers and sidemidielders as diferent positions, for example robben and zenden may appear they have same positions but in the field they have very diferent roles, zenden's is constantly going up and down the flank, while robben is constantly up, and maybe going down when require but rarely, guys like robben and ronaldo arent players made that way, in the defending sense i mean; players like zenden and daniel alves are, "carrileros" that is; ronaldo defending once and while doesnt make him a midfielder, i seen forwards many times go down to defend when require, it all depends in what mode of tactics the team is, you just cant deny ronaldo isnt made for that kind of tactic tought, ferguson leaves him in the field for the meer fact that ronaldo is the kinda player that can change the course of the game with one play even if the whole team is in defending mode, if it was any other player believe me ferguson would make the sub for someone with more defending timing.
anyways all this ranting has made me forget whats was point haha lol; oh yeah i remember; which brings me to kaka; kaka tought beeing an offensive midfielder for those who have seen most of his games you would notice he plays all around the midfield , center , flanks, defending when require but not much, thats why they have gattuso, every offensive and i mean like 89% of milans offensive strikes start from kaka and ironicly we have seen this season that they finish with him, so my point is this, carrying the midfield, assisting most of milans goals, and scoring 17 goals himself while he does it has in my view of point more merits with what cristiano has done, and in consequence imo a better player.

btw why its so awful that i think kaka is the best player in the world over cristinao and dinho? lol

 

[mnj2x]

kaka is definitely up there with the best...so is cristiano but dont act as if kaka owned manutd for the whole game and ran the show. Yes the 2 goals were good strikes. Apart from that he was just normal...nothing brilliant. Rooney scored 2 goals... the 2nd a brilliant 1st time strike. No one's talking about that?!

 

[Help?]

well yeah i consider wingers and sidemidielders as diferent positions, for example robben and zenden may appear they have same positions but in the field they have very diferent roles, zenden's is constantly going up and down the flank, while robben is constantly up, and maybe going down when require but rarely, guys like robben and ronaldo arent players made that way, in the defending sense i mean; players like zenden and daniel alves are, "carrileros" that is; ronaldo defending once and while doesnt make him a midfielder, i seen forwards many times go down to defend when require, it all depends in what mode of tactics the team is, you just cant deny ronaldo isnt made for that kind of tactic tought, ferguson leaves him in the field for the meer fact that ronaldo is the kinda player that can change the course of the game with one play even if the whole team is in defending mode, if it was any other player believe me ferguson would make the sub for someone with more defending timing.
anyways all this ranting has made me forget whats was point haha lol; oh yeah i remember; which brings me to kaka; kaka tought beeing an offensive midfielder for those who have seen most of his games you would notice he plays all around the midfield , center , flanks, defending when require but not much, thats why they have gattuso, every offensive and i mean like 89% of milans offensive strikes start from kaka and ironicly we have seen this season that they finish with him, so my point is this, carrying the midfield, assisting most of milans goals, and scoring 17 goals himself while he does it has in my view of point more merits with what cristiano has done, and in consequence imo a better player.

btw why its so awful that i think kaka is the best player in the world over cristinao and dinho? lol

Ok, you know what, this is not gonna go anywhere far. I obviously think that Ronaldo carries the midfield, assists most of United's goals, scored 21 and defends a lot (which is probably only disagreement here, i watch him every week and in my eyes he is always beside the full backs whenever the whole team is defending), but you think that he barely defends and stays up field waiting for a ball, therefore the dissagreement in position. That's fine, if you think Kaka is better player than that's your opinion, in my opinion Ronaldo is. We won't get further than this, so i'll just end this discussion .

 

[Gunnersgoal22]

Good match from both teams.

Can somebody explain to me though exactly what they think Dida did wrong on the first goal? I mean maybe he could have come out to punch it but you cant really blame him for when he touched it into the goal (it was going in anyway) and he was sprinting towards his own goal.
I did however think his positioning on the 2nd Rooney goal was terrible, and that Van Der Sar should have saved Kaka's first because of the slow pace and tight angle of the shot.

 

[big al]

Ok, you know what, this is not gonna go anywhere far. I obviously think that Ronaldo carries the midfield, assists most of United's goals, scored 21 and defends a lot (which is probably only disagreement here, i watch him every week and in my eyes he is always beside the full backs whenever the whole team is defending), but you think that he barely defends and stays up field waiting for a ball, therefore the dissagreement in position. That's fine, if you think Kaka is better player than that's your opinion, in my opinion Ronaldo is. We won't get further than this, so i'll just end this discussion .

i can totally agree with that mate, sorry if i seem anoying, i can respect your views , cause then again i can be wrong, lets just hope we see a great second leg.

 

[Help?]

agreed

 

[pefan]

Apart from the lapses in concentration Kaka was quiet for most of that game. Yes we made a mistake not man marking him. But I dont think he was a potent as most games in Italy where he rips them apart over there. Yes i like the idea of wingers tracking back and helping out as opposed to certain players in Europe. Who just stand up front because of a system. I think it is a team game. 7 players cant be defending while 3 stand up front hand on hips.

Ronaldo tracking back and the mileage he covers per game is what makes a him a better player. Look at the amount of Running players like Rooney and Smith do. That proberbly makes up for things like not scoring every game because it does in the long run help a lot if players track back. They are the kind of forwards in i want in the team. Players that are well rounded and can defend and attack.