Manchester United Thread [2005/2006]

[oussimoes]

ferguson must buy frey,kameni or robinson these guys are the best in the world

 

[Daz]

no way, we have no that kind of transfer budget

He has £100mill to spend over the next 5 years.

i'd go for Kameni personally but Casillas would be perfect if Fergie wants to pay that kinda money.

 

[untouchable]

He has £100mill to spend over the next 5 years.

Now that you've said it like that, I dont see an issue spending a large lump of that money to get great quality players NOW, looking at some of the youngsters coming up from the youth system we wont need to spend that much on transfers in the coming years anyway.

 

[Daz]

come to think of it i reckon a £10mill pound bid for Paul Robinson from Spurs would be great.

or even Shay Given (best keeper in premiership imo) for £6mill would be fantastic!

 

[untouchable]

come to think of it i reckon a £10mill pound bid for Paul Robinson from Spurs would be great.

or even Shay Given (best keeper in premiership imo) for £6mill would be fantastic!

Hells yeah, I'd take either one of them any day. They both speak english and can fit into our team easier than a foreign goalkeeper.

I'd also go after Joaquin, Vicente, Essien and Chivu.

 

[Daz]

Joaquin = about £30mill, Vicente the same. We haven't got that amount of money to spend without losing money following years.

Essien would be a good buy but i'm not too sure on price.

We don't need another defender in my opinion.

 

[untouchable]

We need to purge ourselves of stupidity in defense and we did so with Carroll, now we need to sell Silvestre, he's too absent minded at times. We can sell players like Kleberson, MIller, P. Neville, Fortune etc to generate more funds since these players have proved that they cant successfully replace our main first team.

 

[Daz]

Silvestre is too good to get rid of, him and Rio have formed a fantastic partnership.

i think Kleberson has definately got the potential to be great, i'd give him one more season with more games, or even on loan for a season.

Miller and Fortune should go in my opinion.

But Phil Neville is a great utility player for United and it is always important to have players like him so commited to the club.

 

[ZamundaMan]

A loan move for Kleberson would be a good idea. We could see if he is the quality we presume him to me, by loaning him to a foreign club and seeing how he does, and the better he does, the higher the future transfer fee may be.

 

[untouchable]

Silvestre is too good to get rid of, him and Rio have formed a fantastic partnership.

What? Are you serious? Silvestre is an accident waiting to happen, partnership with Rio my behind. What is he? Gay? As soon as Rio is out, it's like he becomes stupid, no wait, becomes even more stupid. He constantly gifts the opposition oportunities, loses out on aerial challenges and overall looks lost without Rio commanding him. True great defenders dont need to rely on other defenders to cover their behind all the time, he needs to go.

i think Kleberson has definately got the potential to be great, i'd give him one more season with more games, or even on loan for a season.

Kleberson does great when games are slow paced and he can pass the ball all over the park, but when the tempo rises and things turn into an old fashioned English slug out, he's lost. He's too sluggish, can't tackle well and disappears from matchers. He'd be better suited to the Spanish game.

But Phil Neville is a great utility player for United and it is always important to have players like him so commited to the club.

You can be as commited and play in as many positions you want, but it has been proven that when he and the rest of the 'backups' came in, they struggle to beat even the bottom teams. If we won the games against those 'little' teams this season we would've matched, maybe even pipped Chelsea to the title. Besides we have great other midfield prospects in David Jones and Fletcher.

 

[Daz]

well that's my opinion. which is obviously right

 

[ladylover]

I'd also go after Joaquin, Vicente, Essien and Chivu.

This isn't FM you know

 

[Daz]

This isn't FM you know

i have to agree with that. This guy's whole view seems to be very FM stylee.

 

[untouchable]

No shizzy this isn't FM. But you can't say that my points aren't valid. Everything I've said is true, our backups with the exception of Fletcher and Saha/Smith are mediocre at best and must leave. Have we not learned anything from the past 2 seasons? Our old guard can't play superb for the whole year anymore, therefore there must be willing, talented backups who could step in and cover us. We dont have that at the moment so it must be rectified. It's easy to say "ahhhh this aint FM" but I have valid points to back up my claims unlike most on here.

Joaquin is a longshot I'd admit, but look at Vicente. Excellent distributer of the ball, great talent. Look at Valencia, where are they? I'm sure with the right bid we can get him. It's a proven formula that worked for us before and against arsenal we battered them for 100+mins. Have one livewire on one wing while have a good ball distributer on the other wing. Ronaldo was our livewire on the left while Fletcher, Brown and Rooney rotated delivering balls from the right. We were actually defending in Arsenal's half and caused them hell. We had this in the past with Giggs and Beckham and it worked really well then too.

So I'm positive with someone like Vicente or Wesley Sneijder on the left, distributing quality balls constantly while Ronaldo torments them on the right, we can really unbalance teams.

As for mentioning Chivu, Roma are doing piss poor and they are in debt up to their eyeballs. Chivu is world fricken class, class passer, class set piece taker, great defender. Better than some big headed dumdum Silvestre. We can sure as hell prize him away but everyone is so used to the board being timid when it comes to going after quality, when someone like me even proposes signing him, suddenly my views are based on a game. Go figure. :boohoo:

I'm sure you'd all rather see some more donkeys signed this summer right? Soo we can be looking up at Chelsea again next season.

 

[VanTheMin]

you are tactically right untouchable but according to present situations , i don't think we'll be able to buy anone more than a goalkeeper

 

[becksfranksteve]

vicente said that he will never leave valencia

 

[untouchable]

you are tactically right untouchable but according to present situations , i don't think we'll be able to buy anone more than a goalkeeper

That would be a damn shame really. The irony is that we have 2 fantastic young reserve talents in David Jones, who coincidently is a central midfielder and Rossi who tore the league up with his deadly finishing. Yet I dont know if they would survive in the first team because both of them are so frail, if they just gain some muscle over the summer, I'm positive they can both have positive impacts on the first team if we can't get some good players over the summer.

I'd list a new keeper as #1 on the list closely followed by a replacement for Keane, but how do you replace someone like Keane?

 

[ladylover]

We don't need to buy anyone except a good goallie (and maybe a DM midfielder with good passing abilities), Kieran is doing well, he has proven it again against the USA, e can replace Giggs more than enough. Besides that Rossi and Eagles will be good in the near future.

 

[ZamundaMan]

We need a DM urgent. The reason Fergie has been playin those dreadful tactics (4-5-1) is because he admits Keane needs to be protected more, as he has lost his pace and he playes more anchor now, operating strictly behind the midfield and in-front of the defence, and not shifting much. We need someone with energy that can run all over the field, like Gattuso. Maybe Fergie should sift through the scottish and Italian leagues, who knows what kind of cheap talent the scouts might find.

 

[shokz]

Well i've never been a fan of the cockney wideboy Richardson and i think he'll turn out to be a decent fringe player and nothing else, but he deserves to be given a run in the side next season, and it looks like he has an end-product, as shown by his successful spell at WBA and debut for England. A good long shot, good crossing ability, and probably has a better freekick than anyone else at the club. Even if he doesn't turn out good enough to cement a place in the starting eleven he could always provide Giggs with competition, aka a good kick up the arse.

As for the goalkeeper speculation, the story about Buffon, as we already know is bollocks and anyway, who in their right mind leaves the Italian champions? no one, unless they are not good enough for Juventus. And if United did have the money its certainly not coming out of Glazer's pocket, it would probably be a loan which the match going supporters will be forced to pay back with hiked up ticket prices. I'd like Paul Robinson, but its too late now, we could've got him for £1.5m a year ago and it looks like he's going to sign a new deal at Spurs. Shay Given? Newcastle will want more than what is being suggested, though I don't think he's worth as much as £5m anyway.

I'm more worried about the midfield as Keane and Scholes together are no longer good enough unless Fletcher is there, which means a 5 man midfield, and crap football. This club is crying out for a midfield capable of taking back the title and more importantly than that, playing the sort of football which United are famous for - 4-4-2.

I'd love it if Ferguson brought in a player that could replace Keane and give over the armband to Rooney (who has an undoubtable influence on the side). But its not going to happen, Ferguson hasn't got the balls and is too loyal and if nothing is done we can look forward to slipping behind Everton if things carry on the way they are.

According to the good source that is Red Issue, our goalkeeping coach/scout Tony Coton's goalkeeping targets are AS Roma's Italian u21 International Gianluca Curci and FC Shakhtar Donetsk's Czech goalkeeper, Jan Laštuvka.

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Transfers In 2005/06
John Obi Mikel from FC Lyn Oslo - Undisclosed

Ron-Robert Zieler from FC Cologne - Undisclosed

JOEL GLAZER IN SECRET CARRINGTON FERGIE MEETING?

Red Issue has received a claim from elements of the Manchester Education Committee that they tracked Joel Glazer on a secret visit to Carrington on Wednesday, where he allegedly met Alex Ferguson and spent two and a half hours at the complex. Glazer, who was supposed to be at the NFL owners’ meeting in Washington DC, is said to have slipped out of the States and arrived at Carrie in a taxi direct from Ringway at about 12.15, having been picked up by an MEC tail who’d been tipped off by their allies in Washington. Joel was supposedly seen entering a meeting room with the Boss, leaving the complex at about 3pm, whereupon he headed straight for the airport. Joel, who was not seen in Washington all day, finally emerged for a picture shoot with Malcolm and Bryan in the US capital at 8.30pm local time, when the AP agency snapped him. Thus the impression was created that Joel, who had attended an NFL dinner on Tuesday night, had never been away. It is assumed Joel was responding to Fergie’s ultimatum that, as he was off on his hols on June 1st, they’d have to get their arses in gear if they wanted to talk turkey before the summer transfer season kicks off. United and David Gill are stating that “our position is no meeting between Gill and Glazer took place” and claim that Gill was at a board meeting in London. Intriguingly, the Daily Star’s veteran United hack Bill Thornton did run a story on Tuesday claiming that a Fergie-Glazer meeting would take place the next day, having been tipped off that Fergie had been called back from a Scottish trip for an ‘important meeting’ at OT. After his story appeared, Glazer’s PR people briefed that it was a load of bollocks and said that any such meeting might be deemed improper because we are still technically in an Offer Period. Ahem: quite. Presumably Fergie and Glazer, if they met, would have discussed transfer budgets and targets – it would therefore be no surprise that 48 hours later United released their list of players who would be let go, which shockingly included Roy Carroll, whose agent was confidently predicting on Monday that Roy would be signing a new deal. There may be some more about all this in a Sunday paper tomorrow and the MEC is expected to release a statement building upon this surveillance operation before Monday’s Apollo meeting.

source - REDISSUE.
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