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Intertoto Cup Finals (R)
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I have an opinon, how can u be proud of Montero´s or Forlan´s action??, Uruguayan football its not about punches or kicks its a traditional football u cant reduce your history with this type of actions i dont get it,I dont agree with u to support that kind of actions and cheer them up
Mauricio said:
Yeah I get that alot. In fact very few nations "get us" that way, only: Italy and Argentina do.
You should go to bars and watch a Uruguay game. I've been to countless where this type of thing happens (For EXAMPLE: Peru/Uruguay): Delgado literally BROKE the Peruvian in half and the Peruans got up to insult and almost vomit on the floor...............while the 50 or so Uruguayans gave the foul a standing ovasion (Ill admit , I loved it). Also the incredible foul of Sosa vs. Colombia (the straight Red, it was shown all over cause it was incredible) was cheered wildly by me.
The funny thing is that if we couldnt take it, then we'd just be cowards. But watch any game of the Uruguayan league and these fouls are the norm (the player falls, and if he doesnt get up in 10 seconds <and im talking about the "Bone crunching" fouls>..........he's a pussy.)
It's part of the way of growing up and playing the game (Uruguay's an extremely macho nation).
To tell you a funny story: (this is famous in Uruguay and freaken hilarious): In 1975, Uruguay played Brazil in Maracana (A friendly but high profile since it was a derby........"high profile" meaning players hated each other too). To Brazil's star of 74 world cup, (it's tip of the tounge), I think it was Rivelinho............he kept talking **** before the game saying : Uruguay just acts tough and thinks that they can scare the rest of the world, but it's a lie, all you have to do is stand up to them and you'll see that they arent as tough as they seem to be"
Well the game started and Rivelinho went to a corner and elbowed "Kokocho" Alvarez right in the face. what happened next was legendary: Not only did Kokocho chase Rivelinho across the field, they both went into the tunnel (literally pushing camera men out of the way), into the hallway (with cleats and everything),.....outside the stadium and into the PARKING LOT,.........where Alvarez pretty much beat the **** out of him (was suspended a few games, dont think he ever played for Uruguay again) :funny: .......I dont care how peaceful you are, that's just hilarious.
...........But Montero is a bit of an exception <from the video> (There's a reason an American commentator once said "Oh great, now the US forwards has to face off with Montero and his retractable Shoe dagger"
(always loved that line, i read it somewhere on a column in 2002).While Uruguayans enjoy rough play, it's usually in the form of "Legal Rough play" (IE: Going in head first to the ball while a guy goes "cleets up" on it, rough shoulder tackles, rip the grass off from trying to get up <determination>).
(but you'll never see any Uruguayan do "Cleats up" injury fouls that break a leg in 2 (like Brazilians do when they get pissed , IE: when they face us or Argentina
..............so they are the biggest hipocrites on earth for calling us "rough" when they can be worst.)Anyways, i always enjoy these talks.
On the subject of Mexico, I realize your style lately is a disregard for individual skills in favour of all team play (which worked great in the LAvolpe era). But that's always been recent.
I know that many nations have their style:
Chile: Fighters/angry/always known as the "passers of S.America"
Argentina: Angry/proud/rough/fighters/extremely skilled/great defenders. (Only nation that is as tough....or more than us <Games resemble a bloody Streetfighter match.........see Copa America 2004, jesus>
Brazil: Proud/incredibly fast/skilled/ poor defenders. (Scared of taking fouls)
Peru: tries to play like brazil , have very good technical players. Strong, scared to take fouls (this is why I love facing Peruvians
)Colombia: Extremely skilled, lack the heart and fighting spirit (or atleast consistently)........but great players....always loved their individuals.
Was Mexico always like how they played with Lavolpe? Or were they much different back in 1986 and before (or even 1994)?
Uruguay simply picked the wrong sport if they truly believe that behaving like irrational animals on the field is something to be proud of.
I'm surprised you haven't yet replaced your anthem with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=halViDqj8oo&search=macho man village
I'm surprised you haven't yet replaced your anthem with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=halViDqj8oo&search=macho man village
Daniel David
Youth Team
Amidst this chaos, the award however goes to the Mortal Kombat move performed by the Maribor-Villareal match.
pasion1: (On the '75 Incident) Holy ****, now I need to see a clip of that, awesome stuff! BTW, If the involved Brazilian was Rivelino, most likely you'd remember of that moustache...
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pasion1: (On the '75 Incident) Holy ****, now I need to see a clip of that, awesome stuff! BTW, If the involved Brazilian was Rivelino, most likely you'd remember of that moustache...
MaSsiVe said:
!!!MaSsiVe said:
hmm.......
(Major titles only) <not counting 2nd places or international cups>
2 World Cups
2 Olympic titles
14 Copa Americas
8 Copa Libertadores
6 World Club Cups
1 "Champions' World Cup" (1980)
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2nd and 3rd places in Youth World Cups
..........3 million ppl
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...(to what you said): Guess not
<If we picked the wrong sport, then 95% of the world REALLY picked the wrong sport :funny: >
(While you have nations like: Colombia (1 Copa America), Scotland (1 Champions League) <and these are world famous ones>)
2) You must have not read my post bud.
I said that Montero's a huge exception to it (plus 1 or 2 players). And even he nor any Uruguayan will ever go "cleat first" to end a player's career.
(99% of Uruguay's "cheater image" came from our disgraceful 1986 team <that even Uruguayans are ashamed of>)
Please, when you have players like Rooney stepping on player's balls, or watching Portugual vs. Holland, or De Rosi elbowing McBride.............you still have the nads to even come out and post?
Jesus , stop pretending that your little theories (after seeing 1% of Uruguay play) have even a little affect on any Uruguayan's incredible pride on this earth. (it registers like a Scotman saying to an English "World Cup 66 was 40 years ago!!!!!" ..........like ...."...so? then please explain why Catholics bring up Jesus"
(Bill Hicks, just felt like adding that lol... Legend 
)Daniel David said:Amidst this chaos, the award however goes to the Mortal Kombat move performed by the Maribor-Villareal match.
pasion1: (On the '75 Incident) Holy ****, now I need to see a clip of that, awesome stuff! BTW, If the involved Brazilian was Rivelino, most likely you'd remember of that moustache...
I saw it in Uruguay around 94-95. <when I was 9> (And I had always heard of that ....and yeah, im 99% sure it was Rivelinho
)Im not that old man lol
(btw, that video was hilarious MaSSive lol
)It was Rivelino. The pic of him going down the stairs to the dressing room on his arse is quite famous, though I didn't find it anywhere... Actually, the match was in 1976 (April 28th), and the guy chasing him was Ramirez, not Alvarez. And people here say Rivelino didn't get beat there, as there were many brazilians in the dressing room.
Now for Uruguay's World Cup History...
1930 - Champions
1934 - Did not enter
1938 - Did not enter
1950 - Champions
1954 - Fourth place
1958 - Did not qualify
1962 - Round 1
1966 - Quarter-finals
---Introduction of Yellow and Red cards---
1970 - Fourth place
1974 - Round 1
1978 - Did not qualify
1982 - Did not qualify
1986 - Round 2
1990 - Round 2
1994 - Did not qualify
1998 - Did not qualify
2002 - Round 1
2006 - Did not qualify
Also, after the introduction of cards, Uruguay won 3 (or 4, not exactly sure when the cards were first introduced, though the 1970 World Cup was the first to use them) Copa Americas...
Now for Uruguay's World Cup History...
1930 - Champions
1934 - Did not enter
1938 - Did not enter
1950 - Champions
1954 - Fourth place
1958 - Did not qualify
1962 - Round 1
1966 - Quarter-finals
---Introduction of Yellow and Red cards---
1970 - Fourth place
1974 - Round 1
1978 - Did not qualify
1982 - Did not qualify
1986 - Round 2
1990 - Round 2
1994 - Did not qualify
1998 - Did not qualify
2002 - Round 1
2006 - Did not qualify
Also, after the introduction of cards, Uruguay won 3 (or 4, not exactly sure when the cards were first introduced, though the 1970 World Cup was the first to use them) Copa Americas...
pasion1 you bring examples of dirty players/matches, when the discussion is about the Uruguayan people feeling proud for their nation's footballers (generalizing, yes, but you did it yourself in your earlier post) being a bunch of dirty c'nts on the field.
having a macho attitude extrapolates closet gayness in my book.
I know I wasn't proud to watch portuguese players taking part in that bitchfest against Holland, that's the difference.
glad you liked the vid, I tried to be as thoughtful as possible
having a macho attitude extrapolates closet gayness in my book.
I know I wasn't proud to watch portuguese players taking part in that bitchfest against Holland, that's the difference.
glad you liked the vid, I tried to be as thoughtful as possible
Oh no you guys are arguing with pasion1 about something related to Uruguay?? 
Bad move guys, bad move 
Prepare for the most biased statments to come out of posts now. 
BTW what did Gonzalo get a red for? I dont get that one. Forlan...waited till he got his second yellow, had a word with the guy he smaked before than he smacks him again. Nihat ( I think that was him ) grabbing the other guys nose..? lmao wtf was that.
Bad move guys, bad move Prepare for the most biased statments to come out of posts now. BTW what did Gonzalo get a red for? I dont get that one. Forlan...waited till he got his second yellow, had a word with the guy he smaked before than he smacks him again. Nihat ( I think that was him ) grabbing the other guys nose..? lmao wtf was that.
Socrates said:Oh no you guys are arguing with pasion1 about something related to Uruguay??
BTW what did Gonzalo get a red for? I dont get that one. Forlan...waited till he got his second yellow, had a word with the guy he smaked before than he smacks him again. Nihat ( I think that was him ) grabbing the other guys nose..? lmao wtf was that.
lol, the forlan one was hilarious because he actually reached OVER the ref to slap him again :funny:
MaSsiVe said:pasion1 you bring examples of dirty players/matches, when the discussion is about the Uruguayan people feeling proud for their nation's footballers (generalizing, yes, but you did it yourself in your earlier post) being a bunch of dirty c'nts on the field.
having a macho attitude extrapolates closet gayness in my book.
I know I wasn't proud to watch portuguese players taking part in that bitchfest against Holland, that's the difference.
glad you liked the vid, I tried to be as thoughtful as possible
The was a BIG difference between Uruguay playing rough and that bitch slap fest Holland and Portugal had............or more like that fight with Portugal falling and crying on the floor, getting cheap shots and running away, or just plain diving (C. Ronaldo anyone?)
(what the world thinks of C.Ronaldo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDR7MIZRaEo&search=christiano ronaldo dives
)Dude and you talk about being "gay"
? (I think it's Joao Pinto <spelling? AND i think that's what that player is called> who looks like he wears makeup)You might as well call these nations gay (who have the same type of "Never say die" culture): Argentina (who plays with the exact same style of us, except with better players), Italy, Australia, New Zealand (the defenition of badass/"macho"), Paraguay, United States, Scotland and England etc <only a few more>.........
And hell yeah we're proud. But not for the reason you think. The proud part of us is when there's a ball to be contested and a Brazilian runs at the ball vs. an Argentinian/Uruguayan
a) In the battle of dares, a 7 foot 4 Brazilian upon getting close to the ball notices that the 5 foot 4 Arg/Uru player wont back down, sees his legs going in all out ....and jumps in the air afraid to get hit.
b) Upon seeing this, the Arg/Uru player not only gets the ball but makes sure to somehow run him over, knocking him out of the field.
THAT is what makes Argentinians/Uruguayans/Italians (who all but have the same style......not fouling , just "tough") proud <like the Scottish have too>
with the way I grew up, If my dad would have raised me to watch Portugal and I would have seen Portugal/England.......or Portugal/Holland............I would have been so ashamed that I would have either 1) Stopped following Portugal.............or 2) Stop watching Football forever. <I was ashamed for them just watching them play and having the Germans pain "Dresses" and "Wigs" on their player posters, when I was in Germany last month>
You just don't understand man, Im wouldnt change 1 thing about Uruguay (Getting named "Top 6 most important football nations of all time" in the 2004 "Fifa 100 years" dinner..................which I actually spend 50$ on the ******* "comemorative plack"
(I know, Im a fanatic......and idiot......or both lol ) 
...........like there's no comparision to that, and the fact that we got there "Our way", is even better.(PPL diss italy of how they play with the Catenaccio.... and diss them all the time (creating this "Us vs. the world" attitude by italians) It's the same with us.
Kibe Kru said:
RAMIREZ...........thank you. (I was sort of vague about that story. Like even Rivelinho almost escaped me). He played in Penarol at the time.
Great theory you have there man, it even got me thinking. But there are too many factors to not take into question.
1970- The end of a "Golden base" of players of the 60s. Even with the "Red Cards" , we went to the semis convincingly. Had the best keeper in the world (for 2 world cups straight) and just a great team all in all.
1974- Didnt produce anymore quality players (unlike the 66 and 70 teams), the team was exactly the same as 1970 but OLD. We didnt do that bad considering that Holland trumped all of the "Big 3" (Killed Argentina, beat Brazil and us by the same score)
Late 70s- Finally here Uruguay had to start playing all out with the "Fouling, dirty" style (that we stopped using in 1990 and became more balanced). Back in the 70s/80s it was all out destruction (imposible to play). They had to play that way because there was NO talent AT ALL (didnt qualify to 2 WCs cause of that OR do **** in Clubs)
80s- Finally talent comes- good players: Uruguay wins 4 Libertadores, 3 World Clubs, challenge the ones they dont win, and win 2 Copa Americas (coming 2nd in the 3rd), while qualifying convincingly to 2 WCs (the disgrace of 86, and the mediocre/unlucky 1990).
90s- the drought. NO players sold to Europe (you can check yourselves, entire teams were from the domestic leagues). Uruguay just became terrible by 1997-98.
etc etc
Now finally picking up with a new generation of promising talent.
Like the fouling didnt have much to do with it (we barely fouled at all in the 90s, in fact we were pretty docile and unrecognizable by the mid 90s)
And as for Copa Americas, we have a great History since 1970:
RemeMber, The Dictatorship came in the 70s, meaning there was only 2-3 Copa Americas and huge lapses between them between the 70s and early 80s.
CHAMPIONS
1967- Uruguay
1975- Peru (their golden team)----URU- 3rd Place (at our worst era ever)
1979- Paraguay (by here we were inexistant)
1983- Uruguay (convincingly, beating Brazil in 2 leg final)
1987- Uruguay
1989- Brazil (URU- 2nd, losing 1-0 in as they hosted it and in Maracana is not bad at all, in the final too)
1991- Argentina (Terrible) <talent drought again>
1993- Argentina (Terrible) <talent drought again>
1995- Uruguay (Worst Copa america champion ...EVER. Uruguay won this on pure heart and balls, I dont think did 1 good pass the entire cup).
1997- Brazil (Terrible again, this was by far the worst we've ever been)
1999- Brazil- (URU- 2nd place, not bad at all)
2001- Colombia (URU- semi finalist)
2004- Brazil (URU- 3rd Place)
So in 13 Copa Americas
4 Champions
2 2nd Places
2 3rd Places
(so 9/13 we were either Champions, finalist or semi finalist)
and 4 we just sucked (having 2 serious droughts)
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You do present excelent points. But our Copa America record is great, (Argentina won 2 Copas since 1967, and we tie Brazil with 4 , just on garra and effort)
Says something, but you made some good points that left me reflecting.
But yeah, i dont think the red/yellow card thing affected it that much.
MaSsiVe said:
Ill take that as a win
But dude, you can make points, Im just defending my country from attacks, that's all (not going on any crusade here). I just like to use stats and facts to back up my arguments .
Im just here to chat and have some fun man, If you wanna leave, go ahead.
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Yeah thats our historical way of playin, and why?, simple we had never had an outstanding play maker, or we have great defenders or great strickers, so we have to have that style until some sort of Ronaldihno,Zidane,etc appears (all my prayers go to Giovani Dos SAntos, he si awesome but just 17 playin in Barcelona B, and probably in the 1st squad this or next year)
And i disagree of being proud of punches(Forlan) or cheap kicks (Montero), its diferent to be tough, yeah u MUST be proud as an uruguayan of that style cuz is your trademark, but i still dont understand why to praise cheap moves, its not the same to punch someone that play the ball roughly but not wanting to hurt the other player on purpose just using tthe famous "Garra celeste"
Daniel David
Youth Team
Oh, for the record: It was quite amusing to see D. Lugano being asked to settle down by EdCarlos today after that high-cleat slide on Bautista...
I do like your posting style man, at least you try to give a base to what you say...
...my only suggestion is to put a banner on your sig: 'best viewed in 1600x1280 resolution'
pasion1 said:
I do like your posting style man, at least you try to give a base to what you say...
...my only suggestion is to put a banner on your sig: 'best viewed in 1600x1280 resolution'