***Group C [GROUP OF DEATH] - Italy vs Netherlands [P + R]

[IORI]

shock for me

 

[$teauA]

cut the crap. dont forget how your team was created and by whom.

Since communism officially fell in 1989, let's recap shall we:

Steaua
League winners: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1997–98, 2000–01, 2004–05, 2005–06

Cup winners: 1991–92, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99

CL Group Stage: 1994-95, 1995-96, 1996-97, 2006-07, 2007-08

Oh yeah and that "little" run to the UEFA Cup semifinals that is allowing your pathetic club to all of a sudden play European football even though you finished in 6th place. Now let's look at Poli AEK Stiinta God Knows What Else Name Timisoara's achievements in those same years:

Romanian Cup runner-up in 2007 to Rapid.
ummm, that's it actually.

The years before that it gets a little obscure since you technically didn't exist or were playing in the third division, I'm not quite sure until oh yes! A rich oil man invested! Oh my, look at you making fun of us and Becali's money when your team wasn't even on the map until that fat f*ck showed up. Not only are you stupid but a hypocrite as well.

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I arrest my case.

I apologize to the masses for highjacking this thread a bit but I can't let that imbecile talk about the greatest Romanian club, that achieved the greatest performance in Romanian football history, undermine that achievement and the club overall.

 

[Broodrooster]

That was .... awesome!!! The last time we played this well must have been the 6-1 in the Q final of Euro 2000 against Serbia.
But still.. No team can keep this up for 6 games and we will have an offday! But it's a great start none the less!

 

[ישראל]

I cen't believe it ! the world cup champion Italy lost to Netherlands !!! 0:3!!!
Poor poor Italy what happen to the world cup 2006 champion???
And a boring match between France and Romania.
I would say the groupe of boring .

 

[Fernandez]

Sh*t happens. Just like how 1998 WC Winners France lost to Senegal in 2002.

 

[Mus]

I cen't believe it ! the world cup champion Italy lost to Netherlands !!! 0:3!!!
Poor poor Italy what happen to the world cup 2006 champion???
And a boring match between France and Romania.
I would say the groupe of boring .

going from that, its not like you would watch it anyway

 

[ישראל]

Hey man do you have a problem with me?
Do you hate jews?

 

[Kimikal™]

hey rony, his team doesn't even technically exist.

Fail.

How the f*ck can a corrupt italian piece of sh*t come to Romania, buy a team and then move it to another town? If Becali moves Steaua to Giurgiu for example, it means that Steaua Bucuresti no longer exists? Please, don't tell me that you agree to that Zambon and his pathetic attempts to get richer.

Let's stop this already, Romania plays at a tournament after 8 f*cking years, just enjoy it and stop this war, because it's all nonsense.

 

[sl benfica]

Rule 11.4.1 is what killed Italy confidence, last euro they didn't make it either past 1st round.

 

[Fernandez]

Too early to write off the Italians I say. Portugal lost their first match but still went through during the last tourney. Still, I'd want Romania and The Netherlands to go through.

 

[modena_10]

****ty game. just wasn't italy's day, to say the least.

the dutch deserved to win, but not by a scoreline of 3-0. we deserved one if not two goals but our finishing was simply terrible.

i don't believe the players that were on the pitch played to the strengths of the 4-3-3. it really put us at a disadvantage vs the a 4-5-1 dutch squad with pace and a killer counter.

that being said, we still created enough chances to win while playing as badly as we did, and the dutch score on a controversial goal and two counters while we were chasing the game.

law 11: offside. i've done my research before saying anything and i have to say that goal is offside. in the official fifa laws of the game it doesn't clarify anything specific pertaining to this situation. of course uefa have come out and backed the ref but according to the International Football Association Board the key to this situation is whether said player(Panucci) left the field on his own momentum or left the field by other circumstance not controlled by the player

now UEFA general secretary David Taylor has said "'Even though the Italian defender (Christian Panucci) was off the field because of his momentum, he is still deemed to be part of the game and is therefore taken into considersation as one of the last two defending players."

for those who watched the game, can you honestly say that Panucci left the field on his own momentum. Panucci collided with buffon, taking the brunt to the head and even before there was danger of a goal was lying motionless on the ground.

at this point im not worried about this situation, its in the past. and i am confident that if by chance we meet holland down the road it will be a much different story.

so if we can play that poorly, and still create enough chances to win, or atleast contend, we will be fine.

remember, italians love drama.

 

[newbie original]

yeah but it's not like you lost 1-0, where the "1" was a controversial goal. There were 2 other perfectly legal goals. Just accept it and move on...the offside/onside goal was not the only one that separated the teams.

 

[newbie original]

...anyway, Italy lost 3-0, where's the matter to talk about that goal ? :s

EXACTLY!!!

 

[modena_10]

then whats the point of this forum, if you can't talk about major talking points of a game. apparently i can't express an opinion and maybe get some intelligent football conversation going but its shot down, telling me to move on.

As I know, Panucci it was part of game. When a player is out he should inform the referee and not just get out like that way. It's his and maybe Buffon problem if he was injured or anything else. He was a part of game in that moment so for me that goal is totally clear.

anyway, Italy lost 3-0, where's the matter to talk about that goal ? :s

so you believe the player should inform the referee about being injured while he is injured(or off the field)? all this while your team is in danger of being scored on. i fail to understand your thinking or reasoning.

the controversial goal made the game what it was. the circumstances of that goal profoundly changed the dimension of the game. if you can't see that then you see the game to simple minded. all you see is the 3-0 scoreline. both of the other goals came on the counter while we were chasing the game.

i can only look to the positives of the game, which were few. we did create several chances in the 2nd to bring the game level. just creating those chances are great but we must improve in the next game by actually putting the ball in the back of the net.

 

[Martins'91]

@Modena_10

A player must be given permission to leave the field of play by the referee before being considered out of play. That was absolutly not the case so the goal is 100% correct. I think you (+ all the Italians) should be more worried about your performance then the referee's decision. I admit you deserved at least one goal + the 3 goals are maybe too much but we have had some more opportunities to even make 4 or 5 goals.

 

[newbie original]

then whats the point of this forum, if you can't talk about major talking points of a game. apparently i can't express an opinion and maybe get some intelligent football conversation going but its shot down, telling me to move on.....

hehe, I was talking about THAT goal...not the game in general

 

[Silencer]

then whats the point of this forum, if you can't talk about major talking points of a game. apparently i can't express an opinion and maybe get some intelligent football conversation going but its shot down, telling me to move on.



so you believe the player should inform the referee about being injured while he is injured(or off the field)? all this while your team is in danger of being scored on. i fail to understand your thinking or reasoning.

the controversial goal made the game what it was. the circumstances of that goal profoundly changed the dimension of the game. if you can't see that then you see the game to simple minded. all you see is the 3-0 scoreline. both of the other goals came on the counter while we were chasing the game.

i can only look to the positives of the game, which were few. we did create several chances in the 2nd to bring the game level. just creating those chances are great but we must improve in the next game by actually putting the ball in the back of the net.

Don't make me laugh we were the best throughout the whole game, read all the newspapers and websites about it if you don't believe me.
I suggest you accept the defeat and move on, Italy was outplayed by the Dutch yesterday and that's just the way it is...3-0 and well deserved because that was what football is all about, attacking play and scoring goals.
Total football if you like, Italy is getting old and I mean this in a literally way, take the ages of the Italians and compare them with the ages of the Dutch yesterday... it's time Italy gives young players a chance.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

UEFA supports Dutch goal decision

UEFA has emphasised that the goal scored by Netherlands striker Ruud van Nistelrooy in last night's UEFA EURO 2008™ match against Italy in Berne was valid, and that referee Peter Fröjdfeldt acted correctly in awarding it.

Not offside
UEFA General Secretary David Taylor was reacting to claims from some quarters that Van Nistelrooy was standing in an offside position when he scored the first of the Netherlands' goals in their 3-0 win. "I would like to take the opportunity to explain and emphasise that the goal was correctly awarded by the referee team," he said. "I think there's a lack of understanding among the general football public, and I think it's understandable because this was an unusual situation. The player was not offside, because, in addition to the Italian goalkeeper, there was another Italian player in front of the goalscorer. Even though that other Italian player at the time had actually fallen off the pitch, his position was still relevant for the purposes of the offside law."

Still involved
The starting point, said Mr Taylor, is the Laws of the Game – Law 11 – which deal with offside, whereby a player is in an offside position if he is nearer to his opponents' goalline than both the ball and the second-last opponent. "There need to be two defenders involved," the UEFA General Secretary said. "If you think back to the situation, the first is the goalkeeper, and the second is the defender who, because of his momentum, actually had left the field of play. But this defender was still deemed to be part of the game. Therefore he is taken into consideration as one of the last two opponents. As a result, Ruud van Nistelrooy was not nearer to the opponents' goal than the second-last defender and, therefore, could not be in an offside position.

Rare incident
"This is a widely-known interpretation of the offside law among referees that is not generally known by the wider football public," he continued. "Incidents like this are very unusual – although I'm informed that there was an incident like this about a month ago in a Swiss Super League match between FC Sion and FC Basel 1893. [It was] initially suggested that this [goal] was a mistake by the referee in terms of the offside law – the commentator later apologised publicly, as he didn't realise that this was the correct application of the law."

Law applied
Mr Taylor concluded: "So let's be clear – the referees' team applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have this interpretation of the player being off the pitch then what could happen is that the defending team could use the tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play players offside, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most simple and practical interpretation of the law in this instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout the world – that is that unless you have permission from the referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian defender, even though his momentum had taken him off the pitch, was still deemed to be part of the game, and therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net, and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied absolutely correctly."

Hmm, so it looks like a case of real bad-luck. You shouldn't have players intentionally stepping off the field, but I don't think this was the case with Panucci.

 

[Martins'91]

You shouldn't have players intentionally stepping off the field, but I don't think this was the case with Panucci.

But it was an other player of Italy who brought him there, so if it wouldn't be a fault then there could be a lot of (very paranoid) methods to use it in your advantage. It's a bit the same as if you will get a free kick if you bother your own keeper in his save area. So if a dutch player pushed Panucci out then I feel its not correct (following my feeling instead of the rules) but that was absolutely not the case.

 

[Mus]

i thought if you leave the pitch without the refs permission its a yellow card anyway?

(not accidentaly leaving the pitch like panucci though)