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F.C Porto- Manchester United (C.L) thread!

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monkee

Senior Squad
This will be long, but I hope it's worth your read.

That was as bad as I've seen United play for some time, and we've been getting worse and worse recently.

Credit to Porto they totally outplayed us all over the park, but imo that had a lot to do with the lack of effort, passion, and pressure that United played with. In that respect I can't say how good a team Porto are, they played their game against a United team that didn't show up. Having said that they looked like a decent unit. Carlos Alberto looked a threat and McCarthy scored 2 good goals, the 2nd being as good as any I've seen for some time.

Let's start with some gripes:
The referees. The least of my gripes but he was over-fastidious. The slightest of touches warranted a free-kick, and you can't say that was solely in either teams favour although to me he was harsher on United than Porto.

Keane's red card aside (that's a seperate topic) the 2 bookings that we picked up were farcical. Yes, they were fouls, but they didn't warrant a booking by a fair distance. Then, he was so fussy on Fortune, if he touched anyone he'd blow his whistle. For example when Deco (?) went down clutching his arse, there is no-way that was close to a free-kick. It was a fairly contested ball and no-one won it, but because the Porto player went down it was a free-kick?! (you have to understand that I'm a United fan so I paid more attention to decisions going against us that those against Porto, so most of my comments are going to be from a United standpoint)

As for the red card, you can't really complain. The reason being that if you do that sort of thing, maliciously or un-intentionally then you run the risk of the referee interpreting it as a sending off offence. On the other hand Vitor Baia acted as if Keane shattered his hip. Looking at the replays I don't think there was any malice in it, there was light contact and a less fussy ref would probably have only given a yellow. You can't really say that it wasn't deserved though. It was a stupid thing to do in any circumstance.

Then there's the diving. I really do think that Porto players are made of paper. :p Whenever contact was made, down they went. It was ridiculous. There were numerous occasions that the ref thought they dived as no free kick was given and really they should have been booked then. If they dive it's a yellow card. The only way of dealing with this would be for the authorities to take action after the match, using modern techonolgy (ie. video to watch the games). You can't change the result but if bans were forthcoming after games then players might think twice about cheating during the game.

But those are small gripes compared to my main one, which is about United's performance. We were bad. We were worse that bad. The passing was off, the teamwork was awful, the energy was non-existent, absolutely everything was terrible. Where was the zest and passion that we normally play with? It's been gone for a number of games and it's not acceptable.

It seemed that only a couple of players were making the effort, which doesn't count for much when most of the effort is ineffective.

The positives (for United):
2-1. It's 2-1. We're losing, but we have what could be an important away goal (although I can't remember a time when an away goal actually helped United).

Brown played well. Many have been so quick to slate him when he's played poorly that I hope they are now as quick to credit him when he played well. He snuffed out anything that he should have done and defended very well.

Overall Porto played well. You can't complain about either of their goals from a defensive standpoint, there really was little you could do about them, particularly the 2nd. The 2nd was amazing. It was a pin-point cross and out of no-where McCarthy arrived with a towering header (the likes of which I've never seen) that was perfectly placed. Anywhere else and it would've missed or Tim Howard would have got it.

Porto played with zest and teamwork. I have to applaud their workrate and effort, and they had the technical ability to match.

Would they have scored their 2 goals had United played better? Maybe? The thing is Porto had so much posession gifted to them they had time to create chance after chance. If we'd kept the ball in their half longer they would have been more nervous in attack and defense and wouldn't have had such an upperhand in the game, which is what lead to their goals. While we didn't look overly shakey at the back, losing posession as easily as we did and putting as little pressure on their defense as we did was destined to lead to us conceding goals.

While a 2-1 defeat is disappointing it might be more disappointing to the Porto fans and players. At the end of the day they have only gained a slender lead to take to Old Trafford for their efforts on the back of a United display that would have yielded more against a better team and should have yielded more against Porto.

What worries me is that we have had many poor performances over recent months, when we know and look as if we can improve a lot, but we don't look as if we are improving. This is the worst of a batch of poor performances. You have to say that if we play to our potential and ability in the return leg that we could (and maybe should?) still beat Porto, but whether we do improve is another matter.

The other thing is that if we concede we have to beat Porto by 2 goals. We can do that, but I'd much prefer not to concede. The question is, can this team keep a clean sheet? At the moment the chance of that is slight.

We shall see what happens in the 2nd leg. I know United can play better, and the players will have to if we are to progress into the QFs.
 

Frostwolf

Starting XI
"But I think their keeper made more of it than he should. It wasn't a malicious challenge - that's not the sort of thing Roy would do."

This I found very, very funny. Yes, Sir Alex, Roy Keane would stamp on a player after publicly claiming he severly injured a player intentionally.

His refusal to shake hands with Mourinho after the game was also ridiculous and unsporting but that's alright if you're Alex Ferguson! If it were any other manager the media would have blown it right out of proportion. Not to mention the backlash from the people - you'd get call-ins and articles in the Opinion page of the papers saying how much of a cunt Wenger/Ranieri/Houllier/whatever.

Well done to Porto but I haven't watched the game so I won't go around commenting on the match itself.
 

eddy_87

Starting XI
don't worry.....there're still the 2nd leg for us to beat Porto and go thru to the semi's :D
i'm gonna be rich betting on this game....:rockman:

 

Frostwolf

Starting XI
Originally posted by eddy_87
don't worry.....there're still the 2nd leg for us to beat Porto and go thru to the semi's :D
i'm gonna be rich betting on this game....:rockman:


The quarters. Not the semis.

I like the red x too.
 

monkee

Senior Squad
I wasn't sure if there would be enough room in my previous post for this, and some (most :D ) of you would've probably been bored and/or stopped reading it.

Ratings:
Howard - 7 - rarely really tested and could do nothing about the 2 goals. Did what he had to when called upon otherwise.

P Neville - 4 - Offered nothing down the flank either offensively or defensively. His position is seriously under threat from Butt in center of midfield.

G Neville - 6 - Could he have done better at McCarthy's header? Other than in being aware that McCarthy was approaching I don't think so. A steady performance but nothing special.

Brown - 7 - Took up good defensive positions, snuffed out many Porto attacks and showed more strength on the ball.

Fortune - 5 - Looks shakey in defense at times, but offered good support to Giggs on the few forays we made into Porto's half. A well taken goal from Baia's spill.

Butt - 7 - Played well in the heart of midfield. Is mounting a serious challenge for Phil Neville's central midfield berth. At the moment, I think Butt should get the nod.

Keane - 4.5 - By his usual standard it was a timid display. Loses half a point for the red card, would've been a full point if I thought there was any malice intended.

Scholes - 4 - Offered nothing on the right. Was hardly involved.

Giggs - 7 - The only forward player that offered anything. Worried Porto with his occasional runs, and defended well.

Saha - 5 - Commendable effort but lost the ball every time. Was hardly involved

Van Nistelrooy - 5 - Same as Saha.

Subs:
O'Shea - 5 - Didn't see much of the play after coming on, but did well.

Ronaldo - 7 - He didn't have long enough. Looked full of energy and running and worried Porto when in posession.
 

SB9Dragon

Fan Favourite
I think that Porto can pull the shocker and tie Man U at home thus going through. Now that would be the best way to get the most cash if you won (H)
 

soccerbest

Starting XI
1-0 win and we through, well I don't see us keeping a clean sheet though. :(

probably 3-1, 4-2 or even 5-3 if we want to go through. :rolleyes:
 

VanTheMin

Red Card - Life
Life Ban
the referee was a SOB,he was pathetic.F***ing referee.

too fussy as fergie said.
the card on fortune was crap.keane should have got a yellow.
vitor over-reacted a bit.

hats off to porto though they hardly let us a shot on goal.
all this without derlei and costinha.
we r out of form a bit.

but i still think the refereee spoiled the match.he made dubious decisions for both teams
 

VanTheMin

Red Card - Life
Life Ban
it's all because referees play a major part in ruining games nowadays.and no one does anything about it.

the introduction of video replays should be introduced now.
 

::Jason::

Starting XI
Originally posted by SoDragões1893


dirty player, bann this asshole from football, what he did on Baia was a disgrace, he knew he did it too, did not try to avoid it like Leed's now Newcastle Southghate. :f***: dirty pig's!

If you just could shut up.. what an idiot. (:/)

It's easy to understand why Keane did that.. He had just ran a very long distance and surely was pissed to see the ball go to Baia right under his eyes. He was also prolly a bit tired after the long run.
It's not acceptable, but im sure he didn't meant to hurt anyone.. I think it was prolly just worth a yellow. There were other situations that could have led to sending Butt or Fortune off with a second yellow..

We played very poorly, but there's only a way up. the lucky goal saved us yesterday, and now that we have the away goal, it's far from over..
 

SoDragões1893

Youth Team
Originally posted by HellsideUltras
someone really needs to mess baia up and getting something to roll on the ground in pain about:kader:

what dont you understand?:rolleyes: STUDS in the back/// ever have that feeling? I did once when I played at college level, I know i was brusied for 2 weeks, also when it happend i was taken out, it f@cking hurt, but watching it on TV and never playing the game I can understand your comments, now go watch your survivor... :rolleyes:



Yup Baia faked it,damm it, if teh images dident show it all, plus a repeat ofender like dirty Roy Keane.

GET OVER IT MAN UNITED FANS YOU LOST !!!

Viva FCP caralho!
 

SoDragões1893

Youth Team
Originally posted by ::Jason::
If you just could shut up.. what an idiot. (:/)

It's easy to understand why Keane did that.. He had just ran a very long distance and surely was pissed to see the ball go to Baia right under his eyes. He was also prolly a bit tired after the long run.
It's not acceptable, but im sure he didn't meant to hurt anyone.. I think it was prolly just worth a yellow. There were other situations that could have led to sending Butt or Fortune off with a second yellow..

We played very poorly, but there's only a way up. the lucky goal saved us yesterday, and now that we have the away goal, it's far from over..

Yes Roy Keano is an idiot, yes he could have jumped to the side but once a dirty player always a dirty player, so he went studs first since he cant take losing, poor losers are like that.

Say it with me VIVA F.C PORTO :rockman:
 

::Jason::

Starting XI
Originally posted by SoDragões1893
Yes Roy Keano is an idiot, yes he could have jumped to the side but once a dirty player always a dirty player, so he went studs first since he cant take losing, poor losers are like that.

Say it with me VIVA F.C PORTO :rockman:

you're not so bright, are you?
 

badphish

Club Supporter
keane didn't need to step on baia. his momentum would have carried him clear of the goalie who was laying on the ground covering up the ball. keane intent was deliberate. his intent was to inflict pain. he's a bloody asshole and fully deserving of a yellow. how you ended up playing with only 10 is still amazing as i thought butts should have gotten a second yelow.

so stop bitching about the ref as he saved your as with a foul that didn't exist in the first half which gave you an away goal and not dismissing butts. but even a paid for ref could ignore the act and antics of your captian
 

SoDragões1893

Youth Team

SoDragões1893

Youth Team
Originally posted by Velvet
man utd ppl can't accept they lost against a portuguese team...

So true, it's sad that they cant take a loss, and knowing Porto schooled them all night, our passing was like if we were playing a team like Estrela Amadora it was so easy, I am upset we dident finish better. But a 2-1 win is ok, I am confident we will score at Old Trafford, also Sir Alex is now aka Martin Oneal the guy like a Scot cant take losing to a better side. ;)
 

SoDragões1893

Youth Team
Originally posted by badphish
keane didn't need to step on baia. his momentum would have carried him clear of the goalie who was laying on the ground covering up the ball. keane intent was deliberate. his intent was to inflict pain. he's a bloody asshole and fully deserving of a yellow. how you ended up playing with only 10 is still amazing as i thought butts should have gotten a second yelow.

so stop bitching about the ref as he saved your as with a foul that didn't exist in the first half which gave you an away goal and not dismissing butts. but even a paid for ref could ignore the act and antics of your captian
right one the money, that ManU goal from a non existent foul is helerious and they still b;tch at the ref, do you see PORTO fans blame the ref? :rolleyes: if you cant take losing sorry, you might have to get used to it when you face FC PORTO it's very common, we are a great side and at home it's very hard to beat us, have a good day.



Ole ole Benni " 11 at the back could not stop Big Mac" Ole ole :mrpimp:
 

INFESTA

Official
Originally posted by Punkt
PORTO 2 UNITED 1: MATCH REPORT
Porto came from behind to beat Manchester United 2-1 in Spain tonight (Wednesday)


from man utd site

There's really not much to say there... The guy who wrote that is either ignorant or an arrogant prick. Either one is pretty bad, I think; but lets not waste our time with him.



monkee, I agree with you on almost everything. However, it's sad to see most people not giving us credit for the game yesterday. We played like we usually do (when we play well); your team played like our opponents usually are forced to play. Just ask anyone from Benfica or Sporting. ;)


To those trying to excuse Keane's behaviour, you should be ashamed of yourselves. That is just poor and unclassy, just like your idol's action against Baía. And yes, IT WAS ON PURPOSE, goddamit, don't deny it. Look at the slow-mo footage from the sideline and you can clearly see Keane driving his feet to meet Baía's back.

Did Baía put on a show? I think he overdid it, but that doesn't change the fact that stepping on someone's back HURTS, and it would be a red card anyway.

And what to say about those who are complaining about the referee? You got to have no shame at all. Yes, the ref made one big mistake that had a direct influence on the outcome: your goal came from a non-existing foul. If it wasn't for that foul, you wouldn't have scored.
He made other mistakes - for both teams - but were small, with no influence on the result whatsoever.
Quite frankly, I thought we had the worst fans in the world here in Portugal, bcs everydody always puts the blame on the refs instead of looking at their own bellies. I am begining to think English fans are, at least, just as bad as we are.


And finally, why don't you all direct your little anger on the real targets and stop messing with Baía and the ref?
 
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