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CHELSEA FC Thread [2006 - 07]
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chelsea were absolute crap offensively tonight.
not much to do with Terry being there or not.
not much to do with Terry being there or not.
it took Alex 6 years to win the EPL Mourinho did it in his first season. they are both Champions League winners but mourinho won it with a weaker team and is most likely to do it again some time in the next couple of years. Mourinho also has many years on the 65 year old Ferguson. Mourinho will easily beat everything Fergie has accomplished.
trap has won 22 titles.
fergie won 25 - including 6 charity shield titles
if mourinho keeps up his average od 1,2 titles per year he'll have 35 when he's as old as fergie is now.
you see, this title crap is absurd.
mourinho is the most successful coach in world football in recent years, that's the only fact that matters to me.
fergie won 25 - including 6 charity shield titles
if mourinho keeps up his average od 1,2 titles per year he'll have 35 when he's as old as fergie is now.
you see, this title crap is absurd.
mourinho is the most successful coach in world football in recent years, that's the only fact that matters to me.
didy;2251061 said:
Honestly, sometimes you just talk out of your friging ass. I don't even know if i should waste my time explaining to you the difference between taking over a midtable team that is worrying about debts and about to be sold for a laughable price and a team that had a ******* sugar daddy for a year and already bought some of the world's best players in the world. The way two started is incomparable. Fergie had to dig the team out of the slump and build from almost nothing and turned all the crap into ******* gold, he didn't have any russian oligarhs to help him along the way, he made what United are today ALL by himself. While Mourinho has an unlimited fund to spend on a team. You are just stupid for even comparing how the two started.
1) First of all, Fergie won 25 ONLY with United, so there goes trappatoni, forget him and don't ever bring him up.smoove said:
2) If Mourinho keeps up his average and gets 35 titles by the time he is as old as Fergie it will be great for him, we will talk about who was the best then, but for now GUESS WHAT? Fergie won 35 titles in his career, so i guess IF mourinho does really well, he'll tie Ferguson. Title crap is absurd? How else do you prove who is a better coach then? By looking at the situation of a team before the manager took over up until present day? Well, Fergie murders Mourinho in that one too then.
3) For a second time, Mourinho HIMSELF said that he still has to learn learn and learn to be anywhere near as good as Ferguson. Jose is not as stupid as you are to realize it, so if you don't want to listen to me, then at least listen to Mourinho.
4) Most succesful coach in recent years is Frank Rijkaard and not Mourinho, which again proves how blind you are about world football.
I am sure, smoove, that you are pretty intellectual and a decent bloke, but please don't try to deny facts and things that are pretty obvious because you will sound more stupid everytime.
pede: I'm sorry that i had to post all this crap here and mess up the thread, but some people are just unbeliavable ignorant of the happenings in world football.
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Rijkaard more succesful than Mourinho? Get your facts right.
Rijkaard:
2 domestic league titles (Barcelona)
1 CL (Barcelona)
Mourinho:
2 domestic league titles (Chelsea)
1 CL title (Porto)
1 UEFA Cup (Porto)
and also at least one, but I dont know, league titles with Porto
Plus Rijkaard is the only manager in Dutch history who managed to get Sparta relegated.
Rijkaard:
2 domestic league titles (Barcelona)
1 CL (Barcelona)
Mourinho:
2 domestic league titles (Chelsea)
1 CL title (Porto)
1 UEFA Cup (Porto)
and also at least one, but I dont know, league titles with Porto
Plus Rijkaard is the only manager in Dutch history who managed to get Sparta relegated.
Rijkaard won 5 titles in 2 years, Mourinho won 4. That's recent history. If you wonna remember what happened 4 years ago, then why not include what happened 5,6,7 years ago too, should Vincente del Bosque be the most succesful in recent years then?PSVFOREVER;2251247 said:
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No, because he isnt the most succesful coach of the past 7 or so years. But I do think 5, 6 or 7 years is recent history. I'd draw the ''line'' of recent history at 2000 I think, just to have a nice round number.
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Mourinho also won a UEFA cup, plus some leagues with Porto... Oh, and I dont really count Super Cups, they're stupid and future versions should be cancelled.
Help....thats OK mate. Education never hurt anybody.
But c'mon guys, this aint a general discussion thread. Please take it elsewhere huh?
And as for the chelsea attack being toothless last night. Give some praise to those fellas in the Villa defence. They were like a rabid wolf pack when any Chelsea player came anywhere near the box. When a team defends like they did last night, I would not expect any team in the world to break that down.
Yeah the defence looks dodgy. Is it a surprise with JT, Cech and Carlo missing? We are left with a right back with very little Chelsea playing time, standing in as a left center back, and Hilario in goal( but doing as well as can be expected as 3rd choice keeper),does not exactly make the rest of the team feel secure at all. Our overall play is suffering because we are reluctant to move forward and leave our back five exposed. Our midfield are more concerned with covering those back five than getting forward.
Thats why we miss JT and Cech so much. Their absence has affected the entire vibe of the team, and people should bear this all in mind before posting glib statements about Chelsea's temporary ineffectiveness.
Still, Terry and maybe Robben are back for the Liverpool game, and Cech very soon after so we are well on course for a swift return to normality thank God.
Like I keep saying, we just need to ride out the storm, be patient and then watch as we catch up with Man U. We have had ALL our bad luck all in one go this season. If Man U only lose C.R. or Scholes or Van der Sar for a few weeks, their season will go into freefall too. It would be very silly to presume that the Man U team will continue through the rest of the season injury free so...watch, wait, and see.
Does anyone else have to log in every fu<king time they make a post? I used to log in once and that was that. Now I have to log in EVERY time I wanna do anything here. Its getting on my tits.
But c'mon guys, this aint a general discussion thread. Please take it elsewhere huh?
And as for the chelsea attack being toothless last night. Give some praise to those fellas in the Villa defence. They were like a rabid wolf pack when any Chelsea player came anywhere near the box. When a team defends like they did last night, I would not expect any team in the world to break that down.
Yeah the defence looks dodgy. Is it a surprise with JT, Cech and Carlo missing? We are left with a right back with very little Chelsea playing time, standing in as a left center back, and Hilario in goal( but doing as well as can be expected as 3rd choice keeper),does not exactly make the rest of the team feel secure at all. Our overall play is suffering because we are reluctant to move forward and leave our back five exposed. Our midfield are more concerned with covering those back five than getting forward.
Thats why we miss JT and Cech so much. Their absence has affected the entire vibe of the team, and people should bear this all in mind before posting glib statements about Chelsea's temporary ineffectiveness.
Still, Terry and maybe Robben are back for the Liverpool game, and Cech very soon after so we are well on course for a swift return to normality thank God.
Like I keep saying, we just need to ride out the storm, be patient and then watch as we catch up with Man U. We have had ALL our bad luck all in one go this season. If Man U only lose C.R. or Scholes or Van der Sar for a few weeks, their season will go into freefall too. It would be very silly to presume that the Man U team will continue through the rest of the season injury free so...watch, wait, and see.
Does anyone else have to log in every fu<king time they make a post? I used to log in once and that was that. Now I have to log in EVERY time I wanna do anything here. Its getting on my tits.
Help?;2251240 said:
So let me break this crap down then,
a) alex ferguson is without the shadow of a doubt the backbone of manchester united's great success in the 90's. on top of that he is probably the most successful coach in the last 30 years. (you could make a point for lobanowskyj here,too but meh.) In recent years he hasn't had much success domestically [is that a word?] or international.
b) Jose Mourinho is the most successful coach of the new century, of wich he even spent 2 years with the absolute craphouse club união leiria.
c) mourinho has excelled at the highest level in european football when fc porto won 2 european titles in 2 consecutive seasons. he proved that he doesn't need much money to create a successful team. he has transformed the average or even mediocre players like deco,carvalho,ferreira,maniche etc. to world class players, both technically and mentaly.
d) he then took a massive challenge with his his move to chelsea and has nothing but succeeded. he has won the league title 2 times in a row in a dominating manner and has taken players like lampard,joe cole or terry to the next level.
e) when it comes to tactics and motivation, I can't, as little Insight as I have in this subject, imagine that someone could do anything better than mourinho.
there are facts you cannot deny: like fergies great career in the past 30 years or like mourinhos unbelievable success in recent years. everything that goes beyond this is nothing but speculation. you can't judge how coaches communicate with their players, how they structure the training etc.
Help?;2251268 said:
well you can of course bend the stats in any way you want...
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Vedran-10;2251400 said:
Should be a couple of weeks. He should be back after the Wigan game I think? I'm not entirely sure, but I'm sure Pete will know.
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