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Arnau;3927288 said:Too bad Yaya Toure is finished for football now that City will start being a serious team next season.
ShiftyPowers;3927204 said:Such crazy overreaction. How many CL Titles did Fergie win in his 20 years of dominance? Two. And those two were both flukes (99 miracle and Terry slip) in all honesty. It's really fucking hard to win the Champions League even for the best teams. No one has ever repeated as Champions. Knockout Competitions should not define whether a manager was good or not.
Totally.Mandieta6;3928045 said:And his legacy would have been far lessened if he had not won those titles. Again, it's not just that he didn't win - he failed to reach the finals at all. Even if BVB have had a great year, they have not actually breathed on Pep's neck at any point in the last 3 years so how their seasons compare to others are irrelevant. Sure, Knockout Competitions should not define a manager's success, but evaluation of player and tactical development is too subjective and the domestic achievements were the bare minimum for Pep, anyway. The fact of the matter is that Pep had every advantage any manager has ever had to achieve the ultimate goal in European management and it's simply that he failed, which as you've pointed out is totally understandable, but that he didn't even get to the final hurdle.
Mandieta6;3928045 said:And his legacy would have been far lessened if he had not won those titles. Again, it's not just that he didn't win - he failed to reach the finals at all. Even if BVB have had a great year, they have not actually breathed on Pep's neck at any point in the last 3 years so how their seasons compare to others are irrelevant. Sure, Knockout Competitions should not define a manager's success, but evaluation of player and tactical development is too subjective and the domestic achievements were the bare minimum for Pep, anyway. The fact of the matter is that Pep had every advantage any manager has ever had to achieve the ultimate goal in European management and it's simply that he failed, which as you've pointed out is totally understandable, but that he didn't even get to the final hurdle.