Uefa sets foreign player limits

[soccerpk]

And one more thing for those guys who said it is illegal.
Well at this point it is NOT ILLEGAL.

Some league may TRY to prove that it is illegal, but it will have to go through the European courts for that to be established.

Even if it is proven illegal the way it is, I am sure that UEFA can modify the wording to get around it.

I don't see this as going against the law. Europeans are still allowed to play wherever they want. Arsenal can still sign 40 Frenchmen if they want. Anybody from a European nation is free to play in any league in another European country.
But clubs must have a minimum of home-grown players on their squad lists: 7 or 8 out of 25. But all teams have more than 25 players on their books.

Anyway I can see how it relates to the law, but it definitely does not break any laws (at this point).

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by bigp

Originally posted by pklimos
Arsenal etc. to make sure their youth scouting remains strong and that they don't solve all their problems with MONEY. QUOTE]

You just contradicted yourself right there.

What the heck are you talking about?

Please explain.

 

[bigp]

Looks like no more CL and UEFA Cup.

Hello G14 SuperLeague.


The EPL is challenging this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4234761.stm

 

[panxoman]

I like the idea.

 

[untouchable]

Ha! I guess arsenal and chavski are screwed then. I think, for right now it's a bad idea, but for the future, world football will benifit.

 

[Raikkonen]

Originally posted by pklimos
No you don't get it.
If a player isn't good enough, get another player who IS good enough.
If you look back 10 or 15 years ago, EPL squads were made up of mostly Englishmen. Now they're made up of all kinds of different people, from different countries.
Don't you see WHY they are doing this?
Think about the REASON why they are implementing this rule.
When Arsenal plays Milan in CL, there should be a feeling of "this is an English club against an Italian club". If none of the Arsenal players are English and none of the Milan players are Italian, you LOSE THIS FEELING and it takes away from the culture of the game.
Globalization is good for football, but if it goes to far you lose a lot of the beautiful tradition that goes with it.
Another consequence of this rule is that it will somewhat limit BIG teams (ie. Chelsea) from going out and buying players. They will be forced (somewhat) to bring players up through their own youth systems. How is this a BAD thing??? It's a great move for football.
If all the teams are playing by the same rules, it's hardly unfair.
And think about it, it's only 8 out of 25 players--one third. That's not an unreasonable rule.
I don't know about you guys, but I like it when my club has homegrown players. And I'm talking about every sport, not only football. Please tell me, what is wrong with having a few players from your own town, city, country???

i agree 100%

if some of the 'big' european teams (Manchester Utd, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona) can do it, why the rest can't imitate them?

it's horrible to see Arsenal full of frenchs (don't get me wrong, it's just an example), with just one or two english players in the field. Chelsea played a couple years ago with an all-foreigner starting XI. That's sick.

12 years ago, Atletico Madrid's youth academy was close. A lot of young players had to left Atletico. One of them moved to Real Madrid, and he's our captain now . Zidanes & Pavones, Ballacks & Schweinsteigers, Rooneys and O'Sheas, Ronaldinhos and Puyols, call this whatever you like, but it's a better way to achieve titles than 'let's buy all the best players of last season'... it's feel better when your team wins , and in the end, your country wins too.

 

[Dreath]

But it's not like buying players count.
Chelsea would have one homegrown player in their squad, Arsenal would have two. It's not countrymen who count, it's players who go through your youth system.

Plus it makes little difference to your country's national team.

Good players still amke it through. Look at Italy and England. Lots of foriengers, incredibly strong national teams. All this does is weaken the leagues.

 

[bigp]

Arsenal has Quincy, Senderos, Hoyte,Bentley(maybe), Aliaidiere(maybe), The kid who shall not be named, Lupoli, Cesc, Garry(maybe) and Larsson to qualify for this ruling. Arsenal is more then ready for this if it is imposed and you will see even more poaching going around.

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by Dreath
But it's not like buying players count.
Chelsea would have one homegrown player in their squad, Arsenal would have two. It's not countrymen who count, it's players who go through your youth system.

No, it's both.
Go back and read the original post.
You would need 7 or 8 players from your country (ie. same nationality)... and 4 of those 7 or 8 have to be from within your youth system. That means they have to be with your club at least 3 years b/w the ages of 15 and 21. So C. Ronaldo would be considered a product of the Man U system even though he is Portuguese, because they recruited him from a young age.

 

[Dreath]

Originally posted by bigp
Arsenal has Quincy, Senderos, Hoyte,Bentley(maybe), Aliaidiere(maybe), The kid who shall not be named, Lupoli, Cesc, Garry(maybe) and Larsson to qualify for this ruling. Arsenal is more then ready for this if it is imposed and you will see even more poaching going around.

Well then it's not exactly hard to qualify for it then!

Arsenal have, Aliadiere (signed at 18), fabregas( will count next year), Cole, hoyte, Pennant (signed at 16), Flamini (in 2 years time), Senderos (signed at 18), Bentley.

 

[RUSI]

What is defined as 'home grown players ?

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by bigp
if it is imposed and you will see even more poaching going around.

I don't see how this well create "even more poaching".
Please explain this to me. I can only see how this will keep poaching at the current level, or even slightly reduce it.
What I call poaching is Chelsea (for example) going out and buying Carvalho, Ferreira, Kezman etc etc etc. This rule will VERY SLIGHTLY discourage teams from buying expensive foreigners and will SLIGHTLY encourage them to develop "local" youngsters.
It is certainly not going to make Chelsea a weak club overnight! It is in place to make sure that 5 years down the road there is still some sort of national identity with league clubs.

I hope you guys agree, but IMO it is ridiculous to have (for example) a Spanish team with no Spaniards or a French squad with only 1 or 2 Frenchmen. This rule will help prevent that.

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by Dreath
Well then it's not exactly hard to qualify for it then!

EXACTLY!
That's my whole point!
It is not a very DRASTIC change... it's just going to PREVENT things from becoming ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone can oppose this.

It's basically going to prevent your club (whichever club you support) from fielding a squad of ALL foreigners... I think that's something that nobody wants to see anyway!

 

[Dreath]

Originally posted by RUSI
What is defined as 'home grown players ?

A player signed between the ages of 16-21 and has stayed at eh club for 3 years.

 

[Dream Team]

Very good rule.

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by Dreath
A player signed between the ages of 16-21 and has stayed at eh club for 3 years.

actually... b/w the ages of 15 and 21.

 

[shokz]

Originally posted by RUSI
What is defined as 'home grown players ?

For Manchester United; Rooney, Ferdinand and Smith would be defined as home grown players, even though they do not come from our academy/system, but because they are English.

Of the eight, at least four must be trained by the club's own academy and the rest from the home country.

Youth System/Academy
Ryan Giggs
Paul Scholes
Darren Fletcher
Gary Neville
Phillip Neville
John O'Shea
Wesley Brown
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Sylvan Ebanks-Blake (usually registered for CL)
David Jones (usually registered for CL)
Keiran Richardson (usually registered for CL)
Christopher Eagles (usually registered for CL)
Phillip Bardsley (usually registered for CL)
Paul McShane (usually registered for CL)

If any of these lads don't make it, then other youth products would fill up their spots anyway.

Home Country
Wayne Rooney
Alan Smith
Rio Ferdinand

Registered for 3 years between the age of 15-21
Cristiano Ronaldo
Giuseppe Rossi
Gerard Pique
Jonathan Spector

By the time these players hit 21, they would be registered for atleast their 3rd season at the club, even though they didn't come from our academy.

 

[RUSI]

Originally posted by shokz
For Manchester United; Rooney, Ferdinand and Smith would be defined as home grown players, even though they do not come from our academy/system, but because they are English.

Oh, I don't understand why put that part of the rule.

I do agree with the a player having to be from your own youth system.

 

[soccerpk]

Originally posted by shokz
For Manchester United; Rooney, Ferdinand and Smith would be defined as home grown players, even though they do not come from our academy/system, but because they are English.

Of the eight, at least four must be trained by the club's own academy and the rest from the home country.

Youth System/Academy
Ryan Giggs
Paul Scholes
Darren Fletcher
Gary Neville
Phillip Neville
Wesley Brown
John O'Shea

Home Country
Wayne Rooney
Alan Smith
Rio Ferdinand

Yes that's all correct.
And soon, Rooney and Ronaldo, because they are both very young, will be considered as Youth Academy players as well. So, a team like Man U should have absolutely no problem with this rule.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Originally posted by RUSI
Oh, I don't understand why put that part of the rule.

I do agree with the a player having to be from your own youth system.

Having to many foreign players undermines the nationality of the league and the national team itself. More English players in the EPL will be much better for the national team in future years.

In the EPL, Arsenal will be the hit the hardest. Wenger opted to bring in youth from the continent and ignored home grown talent as it generally takes longer and more expense due to FA rules about academy members living within 45 minutes of the academy, etc.