This is how EA kills off competitions!!!

[Hans]

Mouta, if you could only see how high the kits and boots quality in PES, you`ll know that even in some graphical area Konami owns. The reason why EA is so big because they got a great marketing. You`re a kitmaker in the FIFA community like I am and we both agree that before Ariel invented the 2GK, the kits look as ugly and blured as hell . . .

 

[Winning 11]

MOUTA why are you even here in PES/WE board..ur lame ...

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Originally posted by Hans
Mouta, if you could only see how high the kits and boots quality in PES, you`ll know that even in some graphical area Konami owns. The reason why EA is so big because they got a great marketing. You`re a kitmaker in the FIFA community like I am and we both agree that before Ariel invented the 2GK, the kits look as ugly and blured as hell . . .

I know pretty well PES bitmaps, i've made kits for PES and i can say that PES bitmaps sucks a lot, 256 colours and little size, the render ingame are better than FIFA that's why it look better, as soon as EA change the render engine EA kits will be much better, even without 2GK cause EA bitmaps are 24 bits, KONAMI ones 8 like i said 256 colours. You can't make a great game and look like the reality with only 256 colours...

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Originally posted by Winning 11
MOUTA why are you even here in PES/WE board..ur lame ...

Cause i play both games and i'm not biased like you and many others...

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I know pretty well PES bitmaps, i've made kits for PES and i can say that PES bitmaps sucks a lot, 256 colours and little size, the render ingame are better than FIFA that's why it look better, as soon as EA change the render engine EA kits will be much better, even without 2GK cause EA bitmaps are 24 bits, KONAMI ones 8 like i said 256 colours. You can't make a great game and look like the reality with only 256 colours...

I don`t know how PES looks like on the PC, but at PS2 they look not better but got almost the same graphic quality with FIFA 2004 for the PS2. But anyway looks doesn`t matter to most of the people here, they prefer gameplay, they don`t really mind if it`s 256 colours 8 bit BMP, or a 32 bit BMP, they can`t really tell the differences when playin` usin` tower cam.

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I know pretty well PES bitmaps, i've made kits for PES and i can say that PES bitmaps sucks a lot, 256 colours and little size, the render ingame are better than FIFA that's why it look better, as soon as EA change the render engine EA kits will be much better, even without 2GK cause EA bitmaps are 24 bits, KONAMI ones 8 like i said 256 colours. You can't make a great game and look like the reality with only 256 colours...

Face it, you are a graphics whore. You like FIFA because of the graphics which in my opinion is not all that great. FIFA is better in some graphics department while KONAMI is better in others. I used to made kits for FIFA since 98. So I know what graphics format FIFA use. FIFA used to have 8 bit like KONAMI does now. Then it got converted to 24 bit but only after Ariel did first. The reason why KONAMI still 8 bit is because the game was intended for console. Consoles can't handle 24 bit format that well because of low resources. With 8 bit, you can get transparency. FIFA with the last few games have made their kit texture worse. Without 2GK, the kits are horrible. Even worse than PES/WE on default.
Given a choice between graphics and gameplay. I chose gameplay any day.

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Originally posted by V-9
Face it, you are a graphics whore. You like FIFA because of the graphics which in my opinion is not all that great. FIFA is better in some graphics department while KONAMI is better in others. I used to made kits for FIFA since 98. So I know what graphics format FIFA use. FIFA used to have 8 bit like KONAMI does now. Then it got converted to 24 bit but only after Ariel did first. The reason why KONAMI still 8 bit is because the game was intended for console. Consoles can't handle 24 bit format that well because of low resources. With 8 bit, you can get transparency. FIFA with the last few games have made their kit texture worse. Without 2GK, the kits are horrible. Even worse than PES/WE on default.
Given a choice between graphics and gameplay. I chose gameplay any day.

FIFA use 24 bits since FIFA 2003 at least... Ariel didn't invented them... you're crazy? Like i said, EA presented us with 24 bitmaps in FIFA 2003 already. Ariel just doubles the size of the bitmap not the bits. About gameplay instead graphics i choose both, a game is nothing without graphics and nothing without gameplay, it needs two great engines. FIFA 2005 has proven already to have the graphic engine, about the gameplay you can see in the videos and in euro 2004 that is refined, 6 months to final version yet so they could make the best soccer game ever like GAMESPOT says, yes the same GAMESPOT that gave 9,1 to WE7I...

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
FIFA use 24 bits since FIFA 2003 at least... Ariel didn't invented them... you're crazy? Like i said, EA presented us with 24 bitmaps in FIFA 2003 already. Ariel just doubles the size of the bitmap not the bits. About gameplay instead graphics i choose both, a game is nothing without graphics and nothing without gameplay, it needs two great engines. FIFA 2005 has proven already to have the graphic engine, about the gameplay you can see in the videos and in euro 2004 that is refined, 6 months to final version yet so they could make the best soccer game ever like GAMESPOT says, yes the same GAMESPOT that gave 9,1 to WE7I...

Ariel increases the 24 bit format since FIFA 2000 and 2001. Asked him or anyone who made kits back then. I have not made kits for FIFA since 2000 because it is a waste of time to try to perfect something that you can't CHANGED. The easy and pickup gameplay of FIFA. You seems to be so sure that FIFA 2005 will be a great game. I remember valisio saying how great FIFA2004 was going to be and the OTB was going to be so great. Well what happened? FIFA2004 turned out to be like any other FIFA game. Nothing special and there are too many sweet spots as well as the unstoppable OTB feature.

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I've said once this but i'll repeat, EA models are perfect, unless you got a tinny head, cause EA's heads are propotional, maybe your head is the one unpropotional. about the burns i recommend you to download FIFA 2005 videos and see the players... don't talk about what you don't know.

Woooow now they only need to fix the gameplay...muaha

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Originally posted by V-9
Ariel increases the 24 bit format since FIFA 2000 and 2001. Asked him or anyone who made kits back then. I have not made kits for FIFA since 2000 because it is a waste of time to try to perfect something that you can't CHANGED. The easy and pickup gameplay of FIFA. You seems to be so sure that FIFA 2005 will be a great game. I remember valisio saying how great FIFA2004 was going to be and the OTB was going to be so great. Well what happened? FIFA2004 turned out to be like any other FIFA game. Nothing special and there are too many sweet spots as well as the unstoppable OTB feature.

Why do you talk about ******* FIFA 2000 and 2001, do you live in the past? I know Ariel changed to 24 in those FIFA's but since FIFA 2003 EA already make 24 bitmaps, no need of Ariel to extend it... Ariel just make the bitmaps larger, not with more bits... for gods sake you look like a donkey... don't talk about what you don't know man. I've made patchs for FIFA 2003 and 2004, and now for EURO.

 

[Winning 11]

graphics whore HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that`s some funny ****..

again, kids play FIFA mature people play real football simulation that is WE/PES. Who needs licenses when there are patches..and who needs looney toones graphics.. they need to add a bunny and a duck..

 

[illution]

yo mouta...
do u realy play fifa 2004 and PES??? i dun think so... if u play fifa 2004 u will see that the head proportion is weird while pes3 is not.
plus the gameplay.. fifa is a joke...
well if u like fifa 2005 please play that and support ea so i can keep downloading the w**** version of fifa to sell it to some morons who wanna buy those crappy series lol

 

[Winning 11]

some "morons" hahaha...this board kicks ass so many cool peeps and so many naive..like mouta..

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Why do you talk about ******* FIFA 2000 and 2001, do you live in the past? I know Ariel changed to 24 in those FIFA's but since FIFA 2003 EA already make 24 bitmaps, no need of Ariel to extend it... Ariel just make the bitmaps larger, not with more bits... for gods sake you look like a donkey... don't talk about what you don't know man. I've made patchs for FIFA 2003 and 2004, and now for EURO.

It is pointless argument with someone who has no clue of what he talking about or will never will. First you stated that PES/PES graphics are not good because they are in 8 bit. I then said that FIFA used to have 8 bit also until Ariel converted the format to 24 bit and higher resolution (i.e 2GK format). Then EA changed FIFa to 24 bit. KONAMI used 8 bit for transparency purposes and because up until now, PES/WE games were on only on consoles. Consoles with their limited resources can't handle 24 bit graphics that well. You said I look like a donkey because your dimwit self can't comprehend that.
Do I give a toss if you make patches for the latest FIFA series? Am I supposed to bow to you and praise you because of that?
Ohhh, he make patches for FIFA. He knows everything about graphics.
Like I said before, you are graphics whore. If the best game can't be made with 8 bit colors, then explain how is it that PES/WE is still better than FIFA overall as a game. You can be excited all you want about FIFA. And you might pissed in your pants when they release videos of FIFA. But I know it will be the same easy and pickup gameplay. It's EA philosphy and they will never changed it.

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Originally posted by Winning 11
some "morons" hahaha...this board kicks ass so many cool peeps and so many naive..like mouta..

Are you a jerk? Do i have to repeat that i play both games? You're really stupid, you make me laugh, i prefer making patchs to EA games cause making for PES sucks, little and 256 colour bitmaps... i know what i'm saying cause i've already made things for the two games.

 

[GANT3Aa]

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Are you a jerk? Do i have to repeat that i play both games? You're really stupid, you make me laugh, i prefer making patchs to EA games cause making for PES sucks, little and 256 colour bitmaps... i know what i'm saying cause i've already made things for the two games.

MOUTAS RULES!!!!!

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

Thanks. I know i'm good.

 

[ronaldo9]

motuta i don't think you play both games. how do u compher fifa 2004 with pes3 we all where fifa fans but fifa lost they fans sins pes1 comes out, coz of the gameplay i played fifa 96,97,w98,99,00,01,02,03,04 and the game geting worst evry year. fifa 2004 last me 2 weeks cos wos crap be honest whats so good about 04 (of the ball) controll i like fifa to improve, but i lost my trust in ea, cos they lye evry year, konami dosn't say mutch about they game but it surprise you when they realised the game.

 

[Winning 11]

Mouta go and play ur FIFA...~~~~~!! :hit:

 

[[mouta-FCP]]

OMG so many biased... You guys need to calm down, like i said i play EURO 2004 and PES3 and i like both, perhaps i'm special.