+ The Portuguese Liga Thread +

[zuppafly]

Originally posted by Punkt
so anybody to throw me a rock now because i said that Diego is a Roger?

i was mistaken i admit it! he is WORST.

Jesus, you insist in being ridiculous with that comparison, don't you?
People that can't understand that Porto players aren't playing what they can because of Fernandez are one of two kinds:

1- Blind because they simply want porto players to be worse that the ****ty players they have.

2- Don't understand anything of football.

Lets wait for a proper coach, and you'll swallow your words. And I'll be pleased to remind you of that fact.

 

[zuppafly]

Oh, BTW, whoever already played football here knows that the players from Porto are trying to send Fernandez away.
If you played football to at least "Juniores", you understand me for sure.

 

[Nakamura]

Originally posted by zuppafly
Oh, BTW, whoever already played football here knows that the players from Porto are trying to send Fernandez away.
If you played football to at least "Juniores", you understand me for sure.

Well, if they are it's a very unprofessional beahaviour by them, regardless of Fernandez sucking or not...

 

[zuppafly]

Yes, it is unprofessional for sure, but I don't blame them. When a team suffered the 3rd goal, Fernandez did what? He sat on the bench, with no reaction at all. From that point Porto players did what? "Pancada velha", trying not to play in the next game. The best example was Costinha hitting hard a guy (touching the ball too, but hiting ther guy hard) trying to see a card (Bruno Paixão at his best didn't even signed the foul... ). There were a lot of details on how Porto players reacted that showed clearly what they had in mind.
I don't blame them. I would do exactly the same.

 

[Punkt]

Fernandez is guilty, some players are guilty yes you're right but the main guilty of this situation nobody talk about...

 

[Nakamura]

Originally posted by Punkt
Fernandez is guilty, some players are guilty yes you're right but the main guilty of this situation nobody talk about...

Yeah, that's for sure...

 

[zuppafly]

Mourinho for raising the bar so high that nobody knew how to react and build a team when he left?

Oh, are you trying to say PdC? pfff... go on, rant against him. A men that won what he already won is above any doubt when it comes about building winning teams...
But alright, trash him if it pleases you...

Oh, maybe you're talking about Del Neri ?

 

[Virgo]

well I dunno who you should blame, but I gotta say that will all that money Porto could have bought much much better players than what they did including a really good CB to replace Ricardo Carvalho.

they have done the same that Artur Jorge did when he took charge of Benfica after our last championship.

 

[Punkt]

Foi o Fernandez que torrou o dinheiro em jogadores só para não irem para os rivais com negócios excelentes como o do Rossato, (Areias é bem melhor!), Assunção, Leo Lima, Luis Fabiano (Fabuloso sem duvida, mas com os cotovelos!).

Foi o Fernandez que deu literalmente o Pedro Mendes ao Tottenham e ainda pagou para ter o Postigol. esse craque!

Foi o Fernandez que contratou um treinador e o despediu um mês depois só porque "com ele não vamos a lado nenhum" e porque não contava com uma lista de jogadores que por sinal até foram todos vendidos agora em Janeiro. Tinha ou não razão del Neri em não querer Derlei, Carlos Alberto e Maciel?


A sorte de PdC foi ter desencantado o Mourinho que o aguentou mais 3 anos, dando sucessos ao clube. ou esquecem-se de como estava o Porto antes de Mourinho?

 

[zuppafly]

Shall I remember you the number of trophies PdC won (not just national trophies...) in the last 20 years? And shall I remember you that some players he bought were marked as bad players by everyone (me included) before they proved everyone wrong and PdC right?

Rossato had some dark business going when he came to Porto (rumours here in Porto said he had some drug business) . I'm not saying he had, I'm saying that he left for some good reason. Assuncção was a mistake, I agree. Leo Lima had 2 games to prove himself, and remember: it's Fernandez giving him instructions... Fabiano: let another coach come to Porto, and we'll talk again then...

PdC already admited that his big mistake of the last 10 years was bringing Del Neri, and bringing Fernandez to replace him was a shot he had to take. It all went wrong.

Shall I remember you that this man already gave us 4 European cups, and his team dominated the last 2 decades of our football? To whom shall I thank? I say PdC.
Yes, he's corrupt, yes, he's arrogant, yes, he makes mistakes. But I bet you would love to have a president that makes the same mistakes PdC makes, and still wons everything...

 

[Nakamura]

Originally posted by zuppafly
Mourinho for raising the bar so high that nobody knew how to react and build a team when he left?

Oh, are you trying to say PdC? pfff... go on, rant against him. A men that won what he already won is above any doubt when it comes about building winning teams...
But alright, trash him if it pleases you...

Oh, maybe you're talking about Del Neri ?

Well, come on!!! Nobody here can deny what PDC made for Porto and his great achievements...

But any unbiased person can see that the Porto board (of which PDC is the main responsible) planned awfully this season and has the main responsability for what's happening. Nobody was expecting a repeat of the success with Mourinho (I think that's obvious), but I'm sure everyone still expected a strong Porto internally and decent in Europe.

The Porto board made a mistake when signing Del Neri and they also let the main players of Mourinho era (Deco, Ricardo Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Pedro Mendes) to sign loads and loads others that weren't as good. It went to an incredible extent to signing players, that weeks later, were already out of the club (Rossato, Paulo Assunção, etc). Lately, they've let Derlei and Carlos Alberto out for few money, through the back door, to sign more doubtful quality players.

There have been more than 50 (!!!) transactions by Porto this last year! Porto looks like a players agency, with many player agents interest involved... How can a team mantain its stability, its "mística", this way? Porto were always known for their reasonable and serious transfer policy (except also in the Octávio era, with Pizzis, Esnaiders and others), with few players coming and going out... Can't any true Porto supporter, that's not blind or fanatic, see this clearly?

The balneário has no discipline, no guidance and the mood is bad... Sure that Fernandez has responsability in this and also (even more) in the way the team plays. But you simply can't dissociate this aspect with the disastrous (in my view) policy that Porto board has had lately.

I hope that at least one serious Porto supporter can undertand what I'm trying to say. I'm speaking not as a benfiquista, I'm not speaking with clubism, but with honesty and respect for Porto for the great club and insitution it is.

 

[zuppafly]

What I find amazing in the Postiga thing is that although I always disliked the trade with Pedro Mendes, I remember perfectly that more than 90% of the Benfica fans I know being all excited about the possibility of Having Postiga in their team. Back then (when the rumours of a possible move to Benfica) started, he was a great striker in the general opinion. He was a scoring machine, he was a lion on field, he was classy. Now that he's back here I see all of those Benfiquistas mockering him.
Go figure...

 

[Virgo]

It was the game vs England effect

well he showed a lot of potential in his first season with Porto, scored some amazing goals and was touted to be the striker of the future for Portugal. Guess it was all Mourinho

this season he's been hilarious. Remember that miss against CSKA?

 

[zuppafly]

Originally posted by Nakamura
Well, come on!!! Nobody here can deny what PDC made for Porto and his great achievements...

But any unbiased person can see that the Porto board (of which PDC is the main responsible) planned awfully this season and has the main responsability for what's happening. Nobody was expecting a repeat of the success with Mourinho (I think that's obvious), but I'm sure everyone still expected a strong Porto internally and decent in Europe.

The Porto board made a mistake when signing Del Neri and they also let the main players of Mourinho era (Deco, Ricardo Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Pedro Mendes) to sign loads and loads others that weren't as good. It went to an incredible extent to signing players, that weeks later, were already out of the club (Rossato, Paulo Assunção, etc). Lately, they've let Derlei and Carlos Alberto out for few money, through the back door, to sign more doubtful quality players. There have been more than 50 (!!!) transactions by Porto this last year! Porto looks like a players agency, with many player agents interest involved... How can a team mantain its stability, its "mística", this way? Porto were always known for their reasonable and serious transfer policy, with few players coming and going out... Can't any true Porto supporter, that's not blind or fanatic, see this clearly?

The balneário has no discipline, no guidance and the mood is bad... Sure that Fernandez has responsability in this and also (even more) in the way the team plays. But you simply can't dissociate this aspect with the disastrous (in my view) policy that Porto board has had lately.

I hope that at least one serious Porto supporter can undertand what I'm trying to say. I'm speaking not as a benfiquista, I'm not speaking with clubism, but with honesty and respect for Porto for the great club and insitution it is.

I fully understand and agree in 90% of your post.
The difference between you and Punkt is that you actually try to create conversations. You don't come here to have a mockery with Porto players and you actually make valid points without the need of "picar" others. When I feel "picado" I usually don't just sit (like Fernandez...) and shtu up...
I agree that this season was badly (very ver badly) planned. But Reinaldo Teles is the man behind the season planification. Of course PdC has guilt on the process. And he's already admited some mistakes this season. But IMO it's all about the coach at the moment. If we had someone else in whom the players trusted (and actually had some chance of playing at their level), the whole thing would be completely different. If we had a coach that could make Diego and Fabiano carburate (we all know they can... don't try to fool yourselves), everyone would be praising PdC for bringing them here. What happens now is that those players (expensive ones) need to be played, and if they don't carburate well there's no team chemistry that can save that...
Something must be changed, that's for sure.
I say: bring a new Portuguese coach. Someone with good ability to motivate players (Carlos Brito, Pontes....) and give him 3 to 4 months.. this season is lost already IMO, so let him build a team in the same amount of time Fernandez had. If the team still doesn't produce then, then I'll say: you were right: PdC messed up big this time.

 

[zuppafly]

Originally posted by Virgo
It was the game vs England effect

well he showed a lot of potential in his first season with Porto, scored some amazing goals and was touted to be the striker of the future for Portugal. Guess it was all Mourinho

this season he's been hilarious. Remember that miss against CSKA?

I'm tempted to agree with that... but let me have some hope and actually believe that the kid is better that what he's showing now

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

it's funny watching Befiquistas come hee and talk ****, the only decent fans you got are nakamura and Virgo.

you guys shuld worry about the 10-11 years of nothing.

well to the game.

-fabiano ****
-pepe is even worse than Luisao(hard to believe hey?)
-Fernandez is an asshole
-PDC has made many mistakes


The only good thing frpom this game was Claudio who should to be a very promising player. Oh yeah , Seiatridis is a great player, one of the best at his position, not as great attacking like Miguel, but he defends better than Miguel.

Fernandez needs to leave..........................................................................................and Domingos needs to come in, time to give the job to somebody who loves the club, not some stupid ignorant spaniard.

i'm really dissapointed in u Postiga haters. This guy is the future of the national team. He's only 21 for god sakes, everybody has bad seasons. Just wait till a new coach comes(preferably portuguese) and you'll all see the real Postiga again

in conclusion, Porto are ****, Benfica is as **** as we are, and i find it funny to see all this mockery when you guys have played as worse and sometimes worse than us.

 

[Mikey]

Maybe if they kept Del Neri there wouldn't be these problems.

But I agree, for all the hype he's received, ive never been impressed at all with Luis Fabiano.

 

[zuppafly]

Originally posted by Mikey
Maybe if they kept Del Neri there wouldn't be these problems.

Lol, after what I've seen this season, I start to believe in everything... maybe you're right... who knows?

There are a lot of rumours that Fernandez will leave today or tomorrow.
There are a few names mentioned in some foruns and "unoficial sources":
Camacho; Brito; Pontes; Carvalhal, and someone in a blog mentioned............... Luís Campos..... OMG.... lol

 

[[dfm]]

Ok i really lost all my patience yesterday, it's getting ridiculous the way Porto is playing this year, i never saw so much indiscipline, lack of tactical culture, lack of pressure, lack of everything! Something must change! It's a fact we made some strange deals this season but the team have much more quality than we showed in this game! He totally hit the bottom! When the team is good and there's no results i think there's only 1 way out: firing the coach! Fernandez doesn't seem to understand where he is, he must leave right NOW, i'm tired of his stupid tactics and substitutions, i'm tired of everything this year, we need new blood, that means a DECENT COACH that is able to know the "mistica" of our club and put the team playing a decent football cause that's the least we can do with the amount of money we spent in players this season. Pinto da Costa please sign a new coach but a decent one for god's sake!

 

[Avalanche]

Looks like Pinto da Costa heeded the advice in this never-before seen (until now!) pamphlet called How to turn European Champions into Domestic Also-Rans in 4 easy steps:

1. Hire manager that is clearly below standard of predecessor

2. Bring in crap players by the truckload

3. Sack the first manager, replace with new manager that sucks even more

4. Struggle to progress in Europe, while punching below weight in the league