The Poker Thread

[Tajike]

Niice.

1) How 'bout another SG tourny fellows?

2) And how 'bout an update on your blog Taj I've found Poker Diagram thanks to your blog, and have gone through all the podcasts from the start in the last month \o/

1) Always up for one. Just need to get the details sorted...

2) I've been overly busy the last couple of weeks (even made it enormously hard to continue my prediction league duties or even get online). I'll try to have a go and update that shizzle somewhere this week

 

[rony31]

This, my friends, is why I absolutely adore poker

haha wow best part is the worst starting hand ends up winning the pot

 

[ShearerM4]

Here is a WP for the poker lovers out there:


And the psd to put your own ladies in:
http://files.filefront.com/pokerqueenspsd/;7465012;;/fileinfo.html

 

[Yossarian]

sheesh....what a video, man. That's why this game ages you so quickly and induces all sorts of ailments and cancers....if yer playing for real money, that is....hell, even when yer not....it's still a dumb ******* chance game.

 

[Yossarian]

There aren't many poker-ers who are Atheists or think that luck is purely statistical or illusionary when that final determinant river card is being revealed imo.

sorta like that "No atheists in a fox hole" saying

 

[Tajike]

sheesh....what a video, man. That's why this game ages you so quickly and induces all sorts of ailments and cancers....if yer playing for real money, that is....hell, even when yer not....it's still a dumb ******* chance game.

[rant]

I do not concur. Poker is as much a game of chance as football is: you can know how to play it, you can be a technical miracle, you can be a strategic genius (all things you need in poker aswell) but you still need that bit of luck to score goals or make great moves.

I really don't like it when people mark poker as a game purely based on chance. I'm still putting the skill/luck factor on 70/30, and te luck factor raising to 50/50 when it gets heads up.

Remember: if you don't know how to play, if you don't know how to collect information at a table and if you're not capable of making moves at the pot once in a while, you'll be a losing player. In that case luck is only a minimal factor.

[/rant]

 

[Yossarian]

I didn't mean to infer that it was a game of pure luck because it's clearly not.

I'm coming from the Pokerstars perspective where everyone chases to the river and never folds because of the playmoney involved. I've seen countless of hands where the end results were just devastating and stomach churningly sick.

This isn't all that bad, preflop-wise, but the other day, I had ace/eight of spades preflop, the opponent had pocket Carlos*s, I was short stacked and wasn't gonna lay this hand down since the blinds were already high and rising again soon enough. So I go all in, he calls, of course....as to be expected. The flop comes out to being two aces of spades and an eight......also a ******* spade.......the flush and fullhouse off the ******* flop.....unbelievable and unbeatable, right?..........nah.....this is Jokerstars afterall, and these ****ers are unspeakably cruel, right? What comes out on the turn you say? DA Carlos.....alright....nothing to worry about.....I couldn't even begin to calculate what the odds of him hitting his two runners were so I was moderately relaxed.........the river you say? THE REMAINING Carlos......quads my full and ****s all over me........

Of course this chasing business happens less often when real money is at stake, but at the same time, I've seen far more experienced and superior poker players get sucked out by ****ty chasers who don't know the concept of laying down a hand than I have seen happen in sporting events. Sure theres a certain amount of luck involved in athletics, but it's considerably harder to impose your will and superiority in poker than in sports imo

 

[rony31]

the story you just explained isn't a chase though, it's what I like to call the roller coaster ride that is online poker... lost count of how many times I've been all in preflop, someone calls, I hit something to take the lead and think I'm doubling up or taking someone out, then they hit something on the turn, they're winning... and sometimes I hit something on the river to win it back, they just throw your emotions back and ******* forth

PS: how the **** did you manage to hit the flush and the full house at the same time? does Pokerstars play with like 4 decks of cards?

 

[Yossarian]

****, you caught me in my dumb, laughable lie, bro......i was exaggerating my beat (which was really bad) without realizing or re-reading what I'd written.


Yeah, they do use just the one deck.....just like everyone else in Poker

I am sorry.

 

[rony31]

haha I thought maybe Pokerstars were experimenting new crazy game types using you play-money players as pawns or something

 

[Yossarian]

hurhur..........yeah, it was a full off the flop against a pair of Carlos*s.....I just felt like magnifying the situation and absurdly somehow convinced myself that the two of em could be had from the flop........shows what a dumb noob I is, man.

 

[Tajike]

I didn't mean to infer that it was a game of pure luck because it's clearly not.

I'm coming from the Pokerstars perspective where everyone chases to the river and never folds because of the playmoney involved. I've seen countless of hands where the end results were just devastating and stomach churningly sick.

This isn't all that bad, preflop-wise, but the other day, I had ace/eight of spades preflop, the opponent had pocket Carlos*s, I was short stacked and wasn't gonna lay this hand down since the blinds were already high and rising again soon enough. So I go all in, he calls, of course....as to be expected. The flop comes out to being two aces of spades and an eight......also a ******* spade.......the flush and fullhouse off the ******* flop.....unbelievable and unbeatable, right?..........nah.....this is Jokerstars afterall, and these ****ers are unspeakably cruel, right? What comes out on the turn you say? DA Carlos.....alright....nothing to worry about.....I couldn't even begin to calculate what the odds of him hitting his two runners were so I was moderately relaxed.........the river you say? THE REMAINING Carlos......quads my full and ****s all over me........

Of course this chasing business happens less often when real money is at stake, but at the same time, I've seen far more experienced and superior poker players get sucked out by ****ty chasers who don't know the concept of laying down a hand than I have seen happen in sporting events. Sure theres a certain amount of luck involved in athletics, but it's considerably harder to impose your will and superiority in poker than in sports imo

I see. Pardon the rantiness of my previous post in that case...

btw That play money bad beat story made me giggle like a 7-year old girl. Move up to where they respect your full houses!

 

[Yossarian]

yeah, most people on PS treat the game as though it was roulettes or something, man.

My ego has a tendency of greatly overrating my abilities, but what I was trying to say is that I've seen superior talent get beaten out by a bunch of cloverleaf carrying cocksuckers on the regular.....now these are mostly 18-27 man tables so short term luck comes into play quite a bit, but at the same time, you see a lot of guys get suckered out by dudes with ****tier preflop hands right off the flop, on the turn, or as it most happens on PS, on the river

I'm just saying, the odds of a ****tier, noob beating out a much more experienced and superior player in poker are a lot higher than they are in a sport like soccer or something

Bottomline, imo, yer gonna need a considerable amount of luck when you're playing online in moderately short tourneys, and even more luck if you happen to be at a table where the talents of the players is pretty even.

 

[ShearerM4]

http://www.pokertube.com/ShowMovie....ilms&StartPage=1&pIndex=1&PageView=0&PokRec=1

 

[Rob]

If you need poker help, ask me. I am a pro.

 

[ShearerM4]

lol... ok

Actually i'd be interested to know how much you and Taj make on average a month, what kind of games you play, what buy ins, where... in other words what are your basic money making scenes.

 

[Rob]

I am not playing while at Uni. I play on holidays so I have something to do. Last time, I went from 1000 USD to 6000 USD in the space of two weeks, and then left it and bought books, laptop and paid for going out while I wasn't working.

I will do the same again

 

[Yossarian]

^^^ hitch yer wagons to this man, folks. He's gonna go pro, then onto Hollywood, where pretty blonde broads grow out of the sands of the santa monica beaches.


hey, btw, anyone got some playmoney chips to spare on PokerStars? I just somehow squandered away close to 4million in a matter of like 2weeks....sheesh. I don't wanna have to start all over from the 5/10 tables where the rabid noobs be, man.

I'd rather be put into bondage than to be subjected to that ****, man

 

[Tajike]

lol... ok

Actually i'd be interested to know how much you and Taj make on average a month, what kind of games you play, what buy ins, where... in other words what are your basic money making scenes.

I play SNG's ranging from $5 to $20, depending on my mood and form. I mix that up with $1 SNG's for fun or to warm up before a session

Tournaments vary though I don't pay attention to the buy-in. What's more important is the overlay (ratio n° of players vs prizepool). I'll play everything from $1-tournies to $50-tournies. I'll be giving the $109 tournies a try in a few months when I have a save bankroll.
On Full Tilt I only play freerolls (as a form of training and having fun)

I don't play cashgames at all as my cashgame play is rather poor and I think I can't take the pressure of playing with my bankroll on the table.

I don't like to talk about what money I make (got some strange questions and requests so I stopped giving any info on my bankroll).

 

[Rob]

I play SNG's ranging from $5 to $20, depending on my mood and form. I mix that up with $1 SNG's for fun or to warm up before a session

Tournaments vary though I don't pay attention to the buy-in. What's more important is the overlay (ratio n° of players vs prizepool). I'll play everything from $1-tournies to $50-tournies. I'll be giving the $109 tournies a try in a few months when I have a save bankroll.
On Full Tilt I only play freerolls (as a form of training and having fun)

I don't play cashgames at all as my cashgame play is rather poor and I think I can't take the pressure of playing with my bankroll on the table.

I don't like to talk about what money I make (got some strange questions and requests so I stopped giving any info on my bankroll).

6 handed cash games rule man.

Get into it. I will post you a nice pre-flop hand range if you want. Basically, tight unless you are button or cut-off, where you go nuts. And just fire blanks at lots of pots in position in cash games. You scoop up so much dead money.