The Official Manchester United Thread [2006/2007]

[MikeyM]

Quite a few people saying Lille shouldn't be in the competition now, the way their staff asked the players to come off the field, and how they encouraged intimidation of the referee, it created a hostile enviroment inside the stadium and put Man Utd players in danger. And its a disgrace on Lille's part, and even more disgraceful from the Lille staff.

Absolutely I agree. The thing that annoys me is that if it had been English fans throwing things etc on the pitch, then we'd be thrown out of Europe - I bet Lille won't even be sanctioned.

Also the Man Utd fans were almost crushed to death thanks to the stupidity of the french officials, and those who escaped were beaten like criminals.

I think that the point Lord Taylor had when he outlined removal of terraces, has just been illustrated once again.



Still we have an away goal, so on the playing side that's a positive.



Mike

 

[Stotty]

Why do all the fans in this thread always over react. Although i do suppose its the trend these days to go against the club and complain, regardless of the situation. That pitch was in no way fit to play on, and was never going to suit our style of play of quick passing and running down the wing. You can say it was the same for both teams but Lille are more about closing down and getting the ball forward.

Anyway, i could tell from the start that Lille are a pathetic, little club. Disorganised in regards to the ticketing farce whereby some of our fans were two to a seat, and then those french policemen battering us down no matter what people were sayin to explain the situation. The fans cheering every missed opportunity and foul, and then complaining about little nudges and shoves. The final straw was takin their bat and ball home when a controversal goal was scored. They had plenty of time to sort things out, everyone could see that when the kick was taken, the keeper was actually stood on his post not actually doing anything. The referee had walked away and everything was dandy. They wouldn't have been complaining had a quick throw, corner, or indirect freekick had been taken resulting in a goal. To walk off over a dodgy decision is ludicrous. I'm not saying they should be booted out, but no doubt mr platini will bend over backwards to ensure they aren't. You can guarantee our players wouldn't have walked off had that happened, nor would we be launching coin, ticket, anything at hand at the opposition. Disgraceful scenes.

 

[Stotty]

Completely disgraceful reffereeing, not only the FK thing but the disallowed goal was completely fair. Surely the ref was a bitter AEK Athens fan or something.

it was clear to see the striker gained an obvious advantage because vidic wasn't there. Why? Because he'd been shoved to the ground.

edit: For once i agreed with that prick townsend.

 

[Moreira_Benfica]

it was clear to see the striker gained an obvious advantage because vidic wasn't there. Why? Because he'd been shoved to the ground.

edit: For once i agreed with that prick townsend.

o please you guys are always saying how hard Vidic is and how much he is of a beast and stuff and then the guy taps his shoulder and he goes down?

 

[shadowofanubis6]

o please you guys are always saying how hard Vidic is and how much he is of a beast and stuff and then the guy taps his shoulder and he goes down?

Vidic is a very tough defender, and as the ball was being played in... he was clearly in position to head it away. Now... there are two scenarios to what could of happened...

1) Vidic feels the attacking player and decides to flop at point blank range, knowing that if a foul isn't called then its a sure goal

2) Vidic is in position but gets pushed down and the player gets a goal.

Being that vidic is not a diver and is a very tough defender... I'd say its pretty clear what happened.

 

[Stotty]

o please you guys are always saying how hard Vidic is and how much he is of a beast and stuff and then the guy taps his shoulder and he goes down?

i'd love to see you stay standing when your running towards your goal, stretching for a header, and two arms come down on your back.

 

[d3adly]

now we should we able to scrape through into the quarters, but seriously rooney needs to start scoring.

 

[untouchable]

o please you guys are always saying how hard Vidic is and how much he is of a beast and stuff and then the guy taps his shoulder and he goes down?

Surely, I mean, SURELY you are not THIS ******* STUPID. My God, what match were you watching?? HE WAS SHOVED, Odemwingie CLEARLY used BOTH HANDS and PUSHED HIM.

Unbelievable...

 

[randy23]

what a goal by Giggs the experience

 

[Help?]

o please you guys are always saying how hard Vidic is and how much he is of a beast and stuff and then the guy taps his shoulder and he goes down?

Please, man, just don't jump on the other portugese "hate united" bandwagon, we here think better of you man. If you are unsure about the foul, then take a look at this analysis. I think it should clear up any doubts that you had before.

http://www.dailymotion.com/bobrivers/video/2121160

 

[Virgo]

Please, man, just don't jump on the other portugese "hate united" bandwagon

this is your reaction to Henry's FK 2/3 years ago

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1597552&postcount=205

make sure to read my post as well where I disapprove it and bash Henry for doing it.


I think it's pretty clear who's the tool here and who's the bandwagon jumper.

 

[didy]

Way to back up your argument with real evidence.

 

[ticcan]

Complain about what, what a bunch of whinging c*nts.

Lille lodge complaint after controversial defeat

PARIS (Reuters) - Lille have lodged a formal complaint to UEFA after losing 1-0to Manchester United in a controversial Champions League first knockout round first leg on Tuesday.

The French club, whose players staged a near walkout after a quickly-taken Ryan Giggs free kick gave the visitors a late victory, also hit back at United manager Alex Ferguson.

Lille coach Claude Puel said he did not know what would come from the complaint about the refereeing to European soccer's governing body but told reporters: "I think United really lacked fair play".

Ferguson said the free kick, six minutes from time, had been played by the book and he was disgusted by the home side's reaction to the goal.

"I think UEFA have got to take some action," the Scot told Britain's ITV Sport. "I've never in my life seen anything like that.

"It's a disgrace, what we've seen tonight. That's not football. The Lille staff encouraged their players to come off the pitch. It's intimidation of the referee and it's made for a hostile atmosphere inside the ground."

Puel dismissed the remarks, saying: "Alex Ferguson thinks what he wants. But I do not understand that this man indulges in such comments. He could spare them.

"However, we do not have to start a polemic. These comments are just one of Alex Ferguson's usual tricks."

GOAL DISALLOWED

Lille had a goal disallowed 15 minutes before Giggs struck, with Dutch referee Eric Braamhaar ruling Nigerian striker Peter Odemwingie had pushed United defender Nemanja Vidic before heading in a Gregory Tafforeau cross.

Giggs's free kick caught the whole Lille team off guard but Ferguson said that was part of the game.

"The referee gave the permission to take the kick so the goal is perfectly valid," said Ferguson. "We've already seen this in England.

"If players ask the referee to take the free kick quickly, they are allowed to do so. Rules are crystal clear.

"If my team concedes such a goal, I will blame the goalkeeper for not having organised his wall faster."

Lille now face a huge task at Old Trafford for the return leg on March 7.

"We will travel there to clinch a quarter-final spot. We will be desperate to make it happen," said midfielder Ludovic Obraniak.

 

[barthez4]

Christ, I still don't see how anyone who has seen at least one replay of that can still say that Vidic wasn't pushed. It's not like it's a tough concept here: arms are in, then arms go straight out (into Vidic's back while he's stretching for a fairly routine header), Vidic goes down. There are three parts there, arms in, out, and Vidic down. Guess which part is the foul. Yeah, if you are still to daft, it's the arms out part.

 

[Fernandez]

If I was Lille, I would prepare for the next match. As for the goal, it's not as if Giggs did it for the first time. He did it against West Brom in the shambolic 1-1 draw at Old Trafford two seasons ago. Lille didn't do their homework.

 

[adedawson]

eh

good result, nuff said.

 

[Help?]

this is your reaction to Henry's FK 2/3 years ago

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1597552&postcount=205

make sure to read my post as well where I disapprove it and bash Henry for doing it.


I think it's pretty clear who's the tool here and who's the bandwagon jumper.

Don't get too excited, Poll's mistake was in awarding the freekick after Pires dive. But nice try.

"Poll probably made up for his mistake that led to Arsenal fk goal."


didy: talking of real evidence, im yet to see any real evidence from you at all, from any of the arguments.

 

[Help?]

Beckham did it in 2002 against Blackburn as well.



It's just a very poor job done by the Lille scouting team. Every team in the world knows about this except them.

 

[barthez4]

this is your reaction to Henry's FK 2/3 years ago

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1597552&postcount=205

make sure to read my post as well where I disapprove it and bash Henry for doing it.


I think it's pretty clear who's the tool here and who's the bandwagon jumper.

I posted this in the match thread, but since you've put the link to that thread here, I'll copy my response too.

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I've gone through the thread and not seen any United fans moaning about the goal...

I see:

-Untouchable: "2-1!!!!!!!!"

-shoks with posts about commentary

-Pede bitching about the goal from via his laptop in the West Stand

-shokz: "2-2 "

-untouchable: "2-2 hahaha"

-Help?: "Poll probably made up for his mistake that led to Arsenal fk goal." (notice the words "that led to", not "on"; he is talking about the Pires dive/no dive that led to the goal)

-shoks: "City lost
Dippers(Liverpool) lost
ONREEEEEEEE bottled it
Arsenal/Chelsea draw
My weekend is complete."

-Help?: "even better for manchester united"

-b-ytter: "Good match,good result!Eidur shoud not have moved on the fk situation,he heard poll give the green light and then he moved back,he shoud have stayed in front of the ball blocking it!!"

-b-ytter: "U dont have to be a retard to have the same upinion as the ref,then there is a lot of retards here in the forums,including me!" (regarding a penalty not given)

-Stotty: "ah quit yer whining, whats done is done, and you both dropped two points "

-ngyc: "i heard gudjohnson goal was a fluke?"

-shokz: "http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/football/features/newsid_3409000/3409567.stm"

-shokz: "Was a minute silence from Martin Tyler after that miss from ONREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE(©Tyler/bSKYb)."

-Virgo: "The thing is that it is a stupid exploit of a flaw in the game's rules. It may be legit but it's dirty as hell, especially as it is supposed to be a FAST FREEKICK and it was taken more than 30 sec after the foul was awarded.
I'd feel ashamed to win a game with a freekick like that as much as winning a game with a dive from a PK.

You really should get some Prozac Eng4worldcup, it would do ye good. When you cool down you might want to rewatch the game and realise that apart from the first 10 minutes and the last 15, Chelsea dominated the game."

-Stotty: "exactly, we've seen it time and time again, if the FA felt there was something wrong with it, they'd have done something about it."

-b-ytter: "If only Eidur have blocked the fk and Gallas have put his head down on the header from Terry,Chelsea would have kicked ARSE!
Then again the result is the best for us!"

-shokz: "I'm surprised no one is discussing the dive by Pires which won the freekick in the first place." (THIS is what Help? was talking about in the bolded post)

-shokz: "If he is a hypocrit then what does that make the thousands of Arsenal supporters singing "Same old Chelsea always cheating" and "Cheat, Cheat, Cheat" today."

-Stotty: "no i know mate, however they can influence on what the referees should stamp down on We've seen it time and time again in the premiership, dont no about abroad." (defending Poll's decision)

-b-ytter: "Well it semse like Pires always dive and always get freekick from diving,it is crap watching him dive,and look at the ref thinking Yees!! i did it again!"


Those are all of the Manchester United supporter's posts starting at the time when Henry's free kick went in. You'll notice that the people who are upset about the goal are Chelsea fans, and you, Virgo. I'm pretty sure everyone else realizes that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the goal.

So what was your point?

Help? even cleared up the fact that he was referring to the Pires dive in his post. If you have an opinion, fine, it's yours, but don't come out saying that we're a bunch of hypocrites if you don't have anything to base your argument on. Didy, you tw*t, there is no real evidence. Just Virgo and Chelsea fans bitching about the ONREEEEEE goal. And don't you dare try to comment about backing up arguments, you are notorious for idiotic and unfounded statements.

 

[Virgo]

Don't get too excited, Poll's mistake was in awarding the freekick after Pires dive. But nice try.

no it f*cking wasn't and you know it but even if it was that doesn't make up for the fact that I stood by my opinion and you were implying last night that I was in some Anti-United crusade.