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The England National team thread
- Thread starter becksfranksteve
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For **** sake Sven, Rooney is never a target man, he works best dropping off deep and feeding off another striker.
Why's he experimenting with a new formation in a WC qualifier, isn't that what bloody friendly's are for?
A part of me actually wants the Taffs to beat us so this wanker gets the sack!
SVEN OUT!
Why's he experimenting with a new formation in a WC qualifier, isn't that what bloody friendly's are for?
A part of me actually wants the Taffs to beat us so this wanker gets the sack!
SVEN OUT!
Currently it looks like Young will play and that it will be a 4-5-1…
-------------Robinson------------
Young-Carragher-Ferdinand-A.Cole
----------------------------------
-------------Beckham------------
------Lampard-------Gerrard------
-SWP----------------------J.Cole-
--------------Rooney-------------
on theFA.com you can watch one of Becks best goals for free
http://www.thefa.com/England/SeniorTeam/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2004/07/England_BecksGoalvWales.htm
btw: Headline of the day – Quarter Beck by the mirror LMAO
-------------Robinson------------
Young-Carragher-Ferdinand-A.Cole
----------------------------------
-------------Beckham------------
------Lampard-------Gerrard------
-SWP----------------------J.Cole-
--------------Rooney-------------
on theFA.com you can watch one of Becks best goals for free
http://www.thefa.com/England/SeniorTeam/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2004/07/England_BecksGoalvWales.htm
btw: Headline of the day – Quarter Beck by the mirror LMAO
Downing injured again so he won't be playing although he should have. Oh and you're right, Rooney isn't a target man, he's a forward. That's why I think he'll be played as a forward instead of striker. He'll play between the other teams defence and mifield. He's not very good on headers anyways.
Internazionale
Elo Ratings
Seven8 said:
Yup, Luke Young will play & Eriksson will use a new 4-5-1 formation.
Owen is suspended for todays game.
Lads, Supporters and Thread Visitors I'm off to work and the straight to the pub - so I won't be able to publish line ups /last minute news etc
There are plenty of (non-really-important) news on thefa.com / the newspapers so I won't post them. I'm sure it will change after the game.
Hopefully we can bag 3 points today. IMO it will be interesting to see how we play that 4-5-1 if we play it after all.
COME ON ENGLAND !
Lads, Supporters and Thread Visitors I'm off to work and the straight to the pub - so I won't be able to publish line ups /last minute news etc
There are plenty of (non-really-important) news on thefa.com / the newspapers so I won't post them. I'm sure it will change after the game.
Hopefully we can bag 3 points today. IMO it will be interesting to see how we play that 4-5-1 if we play it after all.
COME ON ENGLAND !
Yes agree Seven8, it should be a good game, hard for both teams in different ways, im prediciting a 2-0 win for England. It will be interesting also to see Rooney upfront on his own, without support from another striker as he has at club level with Man U.
I just hope it work and he dont end up losing to a team like Wales.
I just hope it work and he dont end up losing to a team like Wales.
to post some news here
Gerrard/Lampard thumbs up for Becks "quarter beck" role
Becks, A.Cole and another player would be suspended for the next game if they would pick up a yellow card.
Owen is available again
Gerrard/Lampard thumbs up for Becks "quarter beck" role
Becks, A.Cole and another player would be suspended for the next game if they would pick up a yellow card.
Owen is available again
Internazionale
Elo Ratings
SWP is so fast ! With 4-5-1 formation, scoring the goals from the attacking midfielders are more open rather than Rooney as the finisher, although the formation looks jeopardy to other strikers like Owen & Defoe (assming they're fit) to put in the bench.
Becks is God
Reserve Team
OK, three ideas for what we could use for are formation:
---------------------------Robinson-------------------------
Neville----------Ferdinand-------------Terry-----------A. Cole
----------------------------Parker--------------------------
-----------Beckham--------------------------Gerrard---------
---------------------------Lampard--------------------------
-----------------------------------------Rooney-------------
------------------Owen--------------------------------------
Or:
----------------------------Robinson-------------------------
--------Ferdinand-------------Terry-------------------King----
----------------------------Beckham--------------------------
--------------Gerrard-----------------------Lampard---------
---W.Phillips----------------------------------------------A.Cole-
-------------------------------------Rooney-------------------
---------------------Owen--------------------------------------
Or:
----------------------------Robinson-------------------------
--Neville---------Ferdinand------------Terry---------A.Cole---
----------------------------Beckham--------------------------
--------------Gerrard-----------------------Lampard---------
---W.Phillips----------------------------------------------Rooney-
-----------------------------Owen----------------------------
wat do u think?
---------------------------Robinson-------------------------
Neville----------Ferdinand-------------Terry-----------A. Cole
----------------------------Parker--------------------------
-----------Beckham--------------------------Gerrard---------
---------------------------Lampard--------------------------
-----------------------------------------Rooney-------------
------------------Owen--------------------------------------
Or:
----------------------------Robinson-------------------------
--------Ferdinand-------------Terry-------------------King----
----------------------------Beckham--------------------------
--------------Gerrard-----------------------Lampard---------
---W.Phillips----------------------------------------------A.Cole-
-------------------------------------Rooney-------------------
---------------------Owen--------------------------------------
Or:
----------------------------Robinson-------------------------
--Neville---------Ferdinand------------Terry---------A.Cole---
----------------------------Beckham--------------------------
--------------Gerrard-----------------------Lampard---------
---W.Phillips----------------------------------------------Rooney-
-----------------------------Owen----------------------------
wat do u think?
I'd love to see these line ups
-------------Robinson--------------
G.Neville--Terry-*-Ferdinand--A.Cole
* 2 of those 5 (Terry, Ferdinand, King, Campbell, Woodgate) no Carra IMO he sucks in the England Team unlike his heroics and super form from Liverpool.
if we play that 4-5-1 / 4-3-3
-------------Parker--------------
------Beckham-------Gerrard------
----Rooney------------Richardson-
--------------Owen---------------
alternativly Rooney on the left for Richardson, SWP on the right
4-4-2 Diamond
--------------Parker------------
------Beckham------Gerrard-----
-------------Lampard-----------
--------Owen------Rooney------
put SWP next to Owen and Rooney in Lampards position
4-4-2 Classic
Beckham-Parker-Gerrard-Richardson
---------Owen----Rooney----------
IMO if we play a 4-4-2 in some way SWP is the perfect player to come on for a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or to add pace. he's good but still lack vital expirience and maturity, but his pace and ball control is amazing.
I put Parker in all my line up's because I think he would add stability to our team and aswell give Becks, Gerrard & Co the freedom to go forward, without having to cover. Alternativly Carrick would be another player aswell for that role.
Richardson is a quality player (matured a lot during 1 year on loan, back at ManUtd, at the U21 and for the Seniors) I'd put him above J.Cole because he's a natural LM/LW, very quick, less a show off pony than J.Cole and actually can cross a ball.
About Lampard - as long as he is in that form low he does only belong on the bench, alternativly he'd could play for Gerrard but IMO both together won't work and I put Gerrard in because he actually can tackle and is a bit more a team player than Lampard.
subs: SWP, Lampard, Defoe, + 3of5*Terry, Ferdinand, Campbell, King, Woodgate - that would make on hell of a subs bench... !
-------------Robinson--------------
G.Neville--Terry-*-Ferdinand--A.Cole
* 2 of those 5 (Terry, Ferdinand, King, Campbell, Woodgate) no Carra IMO he sucks in the England Team unlike his heroics and super form from Liverpool.
if we play that 4-5-1 / 4-3-3
-------------Parker--------------
------Beckham-------Gerrard------
----Rooney------------Richardson-
--------------Owen---------------
alternativly Rooney on the left for Richardson, SWP on the right
4-4-2 Diamond
--------------Parker------------
------Beckham------Gerrard-----
-------------Lampard-----------
--------Owen------Rooney------
put SWP next to Owen and Rooney in Lampards position
4-4-2 Classic
Beckham-Parker-Gerrard-Richardson
---------Owen----Rooney----------
IMO if we play a 4-4-2 in some way SWP is the perfect player to come on for a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or to add pace. he's good but still lack vital expirience and maturity, but his pace and ball control is amazing.
I put Parker in all my line up's because I think he would add stability to our team and aswell give Becks, Gerrard & Co the freedom to go forward, without having to cover. Alternativly Carrick would be another player aswell for that role.
Richardson is a quality player (matured a lot during 1 year on loan, back at ManUtd, at the U21 and for the Seniors) I'd put him above J.Cole because he's a natural LM/LW, very quick, less a show off pony than J.Cole and actually can cross a ball.
About Lampard - as long as he is in that form low he does only belong on the bench, alternativly he'd could play for Gerrard but IMO both together won't work and I put Gerrard in because he actually can tackle and is a bit more a team player than Lampard.
subs: SWP, Lampard, Defoe, + 3of5*Terry, Ferdinand, Campbell, King, Woodgate - that would make on hell of a subs bench... !
Becks is God
Reserve Team
-------------Robinson------------
Young-Carragher-Ferdinand-A.Cole
----------------------------------
-------------Beckham------------
------Lampard-------Gerrard------
-SWP-------------------Rooney--
--------------Owen-------------
according to Soccernet this is how England trained 2night, Owen was used as the spearhead of a 4-3-3 formation in tonight's final practice session at Windsor Park. I actually like this formation mainly cause of the creativity it gives Beckham and Rooney. And allows Gerrard and Lampard to get forward.
Young-Carragher-Ferdinand-A.Cole
----------------------------------
-------------Beckham------------
------Lampard-------Gerrard------
-SWP-------------------Rooney--
--------------Owen-------------
according to Soccernet this is how England trained 2night, Owen was used as the spearhead of a 4-3-3 formation in tonight's final practice session at Windsor Park. I actually like this formation mainly cause of the creativity it gives Beckham and Rooney. And allows Gerrard and Lampard to get forward.
The way i see it, what ever system is in place, we can't accommodate both Lampard and Gerrard. As for Beckham, he had a good game in the hold against the Taffs but his inability to tackle will let himself and the team down come next June when we're facing better opposition if Sven decides to stick with this awful 4-5-1. It makes me severely angry that two of the best holding players in the premiership can't get a look in, Parker and Carrick! If that isn't bad enough, Sven's love child Owen Hargreaves is higher up the pecking order than the both of them! 
As for the problem on the left, it's just not going to work with J. Cole i'm afraid. Unfortunately the left
has been a problem since John Barnes retired! Kieran Richardson isn't experienced enough at club level for more than a bit part role in the England squad and Downing's not good enough yet either. Give them a few years to develop and give them run outs for the whole 90 minutes during friendly's, after all that's what friendly's are for. Which if i might add, Sven has severly abused the friendly's into a give away a cap fest. The bloody idiot! I've heard some suggest we play SWP on the left. However the problem with that is right footers have to come back on their right foot to deliver a cross which gives the opposition players an advantage in defending the cross. Also we'd lose SWP's ability to get behind the defence, it would be significantly more difficult for him to do so on the left hand side.
I've heard mutterings for a 4-3-3 system with Rooney playing off Owen on the left and SWP the right. However, in my opinion for this to succeed you need a good target man. Michael Owen plays off the shoulder of the last defender, great manipulator of the offside trap but he cant hold the ball up and he's not the best in the air. If you look at Manchester United for example, they have a perfect target man in Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
At the end of the day, what ever formation we play, they all include their weaknesses and some players will have to miss out. If only we had a manager with the balls to drop a player. I think it's a sad state affairs in this country when the players are selecting the tactics and starting 11.
As for the problem on the left, it's just not going to work with J. Cole i'm afraid. Unfortunately the left
has been a problem since John Barnes retired! Kieran Richardson isn't experienced enough at club level for more than a bit part role in the England squad and Downing's not good enough yet either. Give them a few years to develop and give them run outs for the whole 90 minutes during friendly's, after all that's what friendly's are for. Which if i might add, Sven has severly abused the friendly's into a give away a cap fest. The bloody idiot! I've heard some suggest we play SWP on the left. However the problem with that is right footers have to come back on their right foot to deliver a cross which gives the opposition players an advantage in defending the cross. Also we'd lose SWP's ability to get behind the defence, it would be significantly more difficult for him to do so on the left hand side.
I've heard mutterings for a 4-3-3 system with Rooney playing off Owen on the left and SWP the right. However, in my opinion for this to succeed you need a good target man. Michael Owen plays off the shoulder of the last defender, great manipulator of the offside trap but he cant hold the ball up and he's not the best in the air. If you look at Manchester United for example, they have a perfect target man in Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
At the end of the day, what ever formation we play, they all include their weaknesses and some players will have to miss out. If only we had a manager with the balls to drop a player. I think it's a sad state affairs in this country when the players are selecting the tactics and starting 11.
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Senior Squad
Sven dug his hole a long time ago. By giving the captaincy to Beckham, he was playing to the English media. Gerrard would be a much better captain than Beckham, Gerrard could drive a team onwards, Beckham..can't. Beckham is a quiet man who is bossed around by his woman, not fit to captain a side like England. Now, even if he wants to remove David from the captaincy, he can't because if he does, the English media will never leave him alone and obviously he's not man enough to take on the media.