Rooney

[Xifio]

Just to see the look on some of your Ronnie-obsessed faces, i for one would love to see Rooney obliterate every team in the world in the World Cup.

Oh and dont think im for one minute a Rooney fan, im a Liverpool fan remember.

but you are an English fan, and the World Cup has nothing to do with being a Liverpool fan or a United fan (I base this on the assumption that as with all other countries when it comes to national pride, the petty internal rivalries go out the window)



I'd also like to add that I have to agree with the many who have stated that one cannot, at this juncture, predict Rooney's status six years from now ... heck, in 1999, Man United were declared invincible ... now who would have predicted that they would bow out of Europe at the first exit seven years on, with Fergie still in charge?

 

[Tom]

exactly, thats my point, Rooney may or may not, but the amount of blinkered idiots in this thread claiming Ronaldinho to be the best player that ever graced the pitch is pathetic. Rooney may be as good, so might Adu, so might the other Ronaldo, who knows.

Oh and i agree my bias towards England, and obviously thats apparent in me wanting to see England win the world cup, but dont get me wrong, i do not under any circumstances like Wayne Rooney

 

[nird]

im utterly shocked at the amount of people here writing off Rooney to be as good as Ronnie is now in 6 years time...

Rooney is as good as Ronaldinho is now, remember that Wayne doesnt have the two best attacking teams in the world around him (Brazil and Barca), to say he wont (or cant) be as good as Ronnie in six years time is not only stupid, its naive.

Just to see the look on some of your Ronnie-obsessed faces, i for one would love to see Rooney obliterate every team in the world in the World Cup.

Oh and dont think im for one minute a Rooney fan, im a Liverpool fan remember.

You can't possibly claim Rooney to be as good as Ronaldinho is now? Then you also say the Rooney is a better player then Henry and Lampard, which he is not. There are no playmakers nor players in the world that can do the things Ronaldinho can. There are no playmakers nor players in the world that has the skill ronaldinho has, but there are strikers in the world who got the same and even much better skills as a striker than Rooney.

Ronaldinho can score a goal on order, litterally. If Barca desperately need a goal, he scores.

And it is very hard to compare two players who are so different, so one should compare who does his job on the pitch the best. I havent seen Rooney that much this season, so I can't say anything about that. But individually, Ronaldinho is far greater.

Now, in 6 years, Rooney might be much better. But since he is as good as he is now, it's unlikely that he will become extremely much better then he already is. Some reach their peak early and keeps it for the rest of their career, some reach it later.

The day Rooney rises above Henry I will claim him to be as good as Ronaldinho.

 

[Tom]

ok, ill rescind that, Rooney probably isnt as good as Ronnie yet. I just cant understand that you guys are writing him off to be better than Ronnie in six years... it just amazes me.

No offence, but at 20 Ronaldinho wasnt perfect by any means, and i admit that Rooney WILL peak earlier than Ronnie, but i doubt he's peaked yet, somehow.

 

[Pogba4Now]

can anybody tell me what is the point of this thread?

The point is probably to compare Rooney and Ronaldinho. Yet another versus thread :boohoo:

 

[10Ruud]

It's like comparing Tom Cruise and Jim Carey's acting ability...you can't...2 different styles....but Rooney will be better at WC 2006.

 

[pefan]

In England doing tricks is more entertainment than anything else. End product is what matters thas why its the best league in Europe. Doing tricks doesnt necessarily make you a better player or even a good player. Ronaldinho combines one or two tricks with an end product. He doesnt use it any how. Players like C.Ronaldo just abuse that freedom they are given and do endless amount of tricks while Ruud makes 5 re runs into the box.

Ronaldinho is a class player. But saying Rooney will never be as good is ridiculous. IF you can predict the future you can tell me when the world ends. I thought not. Rooney and premiership are perfect because his game has all the attributes to be a world class player in England. Hes got more power, as much pace, a better shot, very good passing ability, great vision, can tackle well, is very aware. He can do a lot of things that Ronaldinho doesnt do or cant do. He definitely scores more goals and better goals too. Hes a ral team player and helps with tasks most forwards would not do. Rooney for me is a great English talent. I dont know why people say he doesnt have much skill. Because he doesnt do stupid stepovers that are useless most of the time doesnt make him a bad player. He is a very accomplished player at a young age.

Utd have him so i'm happy with that. A great place to become a great.

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Rooney is as good as Ronaldinho is now, remember that Wayne doesnt have the two best attacking teams in the world around him (Brazil and Barca), to say he wont (or cant) be as good as Ronnie in six years time is not only stupid, its naive.

Naive is you saying that Rooney is good as Ronaldinho is now

Naive is you using the "doesn't have the two best attacking teams in the world around him"...

That just reminds me those Messi bashers, trying to argue that Messi does what he does, bcoz he has Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Deco backing him... what a f*cking stupidity... when i see Messi playing, i see him owning defenders and creating dangerous situations for the team, ALL BY HIMSELF, just like he did in the Under-20 World Cup, where he deservedly won the award for best player of the tournament... and with Ronaldinho is just the same... he owns defenders and creates spaces ALL BY HIMSELF, just like when he owned Terry in Stamford Bridge... i didn't see Messi, Eto'o or Deco helping him.... did you?!

exactly, thats my point, Rooney may or may not, but the amount of blinkered idiots in this thread claiming Ronaldinho to be the best player that ever graced the pitch is pathetic. Rooney may be as good, so might Adu, so might the other Ronaldo, who knows.

Oh and i agree my bias towards England, and obviously thats apparent in me wanting to see England win the world cup, but dont get me wrong, i do not under any circumstances like Wayne Rooney

The only idiot here is you....

No one here claimed that Ronaldinho is the best player that ever graced the pitch, you twat... and if anyone did, than plz do a COPY-PASTE of that post...

Ronaldinho is a class player. But saying Rooney will never be as good is ridiculous. IF you can predict the future you can tell me when the world ends. I thought not. Rooney and premiership are perfect because his game has all the attributes to be a world class player in England. Hes got more power, as much pace, a better shot, very good passing ability, great vision, can tackle well, is very aware. He can do a lot of things that Ronaldinho doesnt do or cant do.

In all of this, we share the same opinion....
I repeat... Ronaldinho is the best player right now, but let's just wait and see how Rooney will turn out to be in 5 years time... my personal opinion: will never reach Dinho's level... but let's just wait and see....

He definitely scores more goals and better goals too. Hes a real team player and helps with tasks most forwards would not do. Rooney for me is a great English talent. I dont know why people say he doesnt have much skill. Because he doesnt do stupid stepovers that are useless most of the time doesnt make him a bad player. He is a very accomplished player at a young age.

Utd have him so i'm happy with that. A great place to become a great.

More goals agreed... better goals... hmmm, i have my doubts... but that's just an opinion... like yours...

I never said that he doesn't have much skill... once again i repeat: read carefully my posts

I just said that, he doesn't have the same amount of skill as Dinho's... and that Dinho's natural talent is beyond Rooney... and that's not just bcoz of the "stupid" stepovers (that actually aren't so stupid, bcoz with them, Dinho's dribbles past much more defenders than Rooney does, using all the dribble ability that he got...); but also, bcoz Ronaldinho has a better ball control and his passing and vision are equal, or better than Rooney's...

 

[syaz_wan03]

dont count on his age, techniques & bla bla bla...

it's all about player of the tournament at this summer's World Cup (stick on the topic)..which means who can make the biggest impact in WC..it can be Lehmann, neville, messi...anybody..

if i'm not mistake Kahn was selected as adidas Golden Ball winner in the previous WC...so it's not about technique & etc.

IT's ALL ABOUT WHO IS MAKING THE BIGGEST IMPACT(i mean who is the most on-form player on WC)

for his team or WC..that's all. END

BTW: in the past2 years ronaldinho was selected as the best player on the earth while rooney doesnt even get the 3rd placing...if u rcomparing both players on the overall (not in the WC ..yet)..so..... Ronaldinho > Rooney

but who knows..maybe Rooney can performs better in WC than Dinho.. :chew:

*sorry for my english

 

[adj137]

wait, sorry if im wrong but at the age of 20 weren't people saying that Alex would be a better player than Ronaldinho.

"1. Ronaldinho had and still has much more natural talent than Rooney.
2. Today, because Ronaldinho has matured into a great player and becoz of his superior talent, he's arguably the best of the two... actually, he's the best of them all...
3. Ronaldinho is already fulfilling all of his potential, as a player... Rooney is still 5 years younger than him, and OVERALL (notice that i alwayz put Caps on this word ), he can be as good and influential as Ronaldinho, and he's not very far away from achieving that... BUT, in my opinion... you can give Rooney 20 years, he'll never be as talented (skilled), as Ronaldinho is..."

Generally can you please define talent for me, maybe you have before hand but frankly the amount of dross in your posts is unbelievable. If you are reffering to skill then i don't know who you can even compare the two players, not only do they play in different styles but also different leagues, in the premieship its all about speed and strength, two qualities that Rooney has in abundance. And WTF is 'natural talent', it doesnt actually describe anything at all, just some vague notion.

And why do you insist that Rooney will never reach the ability/influence of Ronaldinho, i'm not suggesting he has but to write him off now when he's barely started as a player is just absured. How old was Zidane before he truly became a class player?
Also i don't think you can use awards of any sort to measure how much of an impact a player has

 

[JuventusForever]

Rooney sux. just an overrated big piggy with bad temper.
Rooney and Ronaldinho shouldn't even be on the same line of a sentence.

 

[ryan_goal]

BOLD...

But retarded.

 

[SlowSilver]

Rooney sux. just an overrated big piggy with bad temper.
Rooney and Ronaldinho shouldn't even be on the same line of a sentence.

Haha Do you even know who Wayne Rooney and Ronaldinho are, kid?

 

[jani]

Ronaldinho should only be compared to Kaka

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Generally can you please define talent for me, maybe you have before hand but frankly the amount of dross in your posts is unbelievable. If you are reffering to skill then i don't know who you can even compare the two players, not only do they play in different styles but also different leagues, in the premieship its all about speed and strength, two qualities that Rooney has in abundance. And WTF is 'natural talent', it doesnt actually describe anything at all, just some vague notion.

So, from what i've learned from this theory of yours, i can't compare the two in terms of skill, because they play not only in differente styles, but in differente leagues... sorry but, that's not very convincing!

If Ronaldinho was playing in the Premiership, he would still be as good as he is proving to be in Barcelona... of course, the EPL is more agressive and he would have to adapt to the new rhythm... and he would succeed in doing it! When you're excellent, you're excellent everywhere... even in the EPL...

As for Rooney... yes, he has speed and strenght in abundance, and a good amount of skills too! I agree with that... but what makes him so good, is the physical attributes that he has got; he doesn't stand out for his "awesome skills", bcoz altho he got skills, he HAVEN'T GOT "AWESOME SKILLS", and don't come again with that B*ll**** about him having a different style, bcoz even with his different style of play, he doesn't show half of the skills of Dinho!

Dinho has been 2-times voted the World Best Player of The Year (and very deservedly, by common sense )... Rooney, didn't even got the third spot... so, if Rooney is so good, why ohhh why didn't they at least award him with the second spot?! =/

I mean, as many are suggesting here: he's as good as Dinho, he scores more and better goals, he has the same amount of skills, he's stronger and faster...
HECK!
That kid is the best ever... even better than Pelé or Eusébio...

And why do you insist that Rooney will never reach the ability/influence of Ronaldinho, i'm not suggesting he has but to write him off now when he's barely started as a player is just absured. How old was Zidane before he truly became a class player?
Also i don't think you can use awards of any sort to measure how much of an impact a player has

I insist in that, bcoz that's what i see, and that's what i believe... if i'm wrong or not, time will tell... but right now, i don't see Rooney getting anywhere near Dinho in terms of talent... =)

I'm not using awards to measure anything....

Ronaldinho's awards are actually a consequence of him being the best right now! Me and millions of other people saw the awards coming even before he won the first FIFA World Player Award...

oh, and BTW... if you really want to know what NATURAL TALENT means:
1. Grab a dictionary
2. Search the word "natural"
3. Search the word "talent"
4. Then, you just make a logical relation between the two of them, in the context of which we're talking here
5. You seem like a learned guy, you should get it easily ;o)

 

[Yossarian]

God I hate Brits and their ******* players.........we have these ******* comparison discussions every other week and never come to a reasonable end or a decent meeting of the minds, man.


The Brits will always see their boy as being an equal to Ronnie, and the neutrals and non Brits will see Ronnie as being a superior calibre of footballer.

I hate basing my concluding statement in a hypothetical, but if I was given the option of being either one, I'd choose to be Ronnie in a heart-beat despite him being what, 5-6yrs older? And potentially having much less in career earnings

 

[Andrejs]

Are you all just joking or are you really a bunch of idiots?

 

[Jamboree]

Rooney is good, one of the better young players around, but he's no Ronaldinho in terms of influence and presence, and I don't think he will be in six years time, or ten.

got to agree. Rooney may be good but the stuff Ronaldinho can do with the ball at his feet puts him in a league of his own plus i'm scottish and Rooney is english so he's cr@p lol

 

[Luis Ah-Hoy]

Are you all just joking or are you really a bunch of idiots?

got to agree...

this discussion is becoming so nonsense... and all these pro-Rooney posters seem to not be reading my posts; they just limit to emphasize their opinions and most of them do not seem to care about other people's opinions...

so yeah, this is becoming very idiotic and senseless...

 

[Yossarian]

Any devout Christians in this thread?