Robben

[Spurs4Life]

It's stupid to drop players just because he cheats. Playacting and diving is part of football, accept it.

That's the point, no one in this country will accept it. It's about time the FA do something about it.

 

[TheBlueBalla]

Nobody in England should accept it, but it clearly is and that is a problem. The FA should make an example of this and other cases by being able to hand out fines, at the very least, in retrospect after a match tape has been reviewed and a conclusive dive was found.

I know for a fact that Mourinho dislikes greatly this aspect of his and Joe Cole's game, but the fact remains that he continues to play them because of their excellent form which, with the lead we've established, something he should look at changing.

Maybe other teams have got a player like that but they dont do it as often as robben

Next, I illustrate this bit of brainlessness simply because of the hypocracy because everyone feels the moral highground when they can cast their finger down upon some player and say "shame upon him". But the simple matter of it is that if youre unwilling to come to terms with the fact that its so rife in football that, without fail, someone on your team is an acomplished master at the aquatic arts, then you need to take a step back.
1. Arsenal's 49 game run ended with a beautiful dive. Nobody complained except for them
2. Ashley Cole was 6 feet from Roy Keane last year when he flew like his legs were taken out with a baseball bat
3. Ronaldo looks like he is about to cry everytime he gets breathed on and goes down after his 40th stepover
4. Luis Garcia is a cheat

but of course all that pales in insignificance, because the Robben incident happend only 2 days ago, and people like "Scotto" over here cant be arsed to remember anything else, much less about their own roster. Thus Arjen Robben is the king of diving. Solid Conclusion.

 

[Bobby]

Ronaldo and Van Nistolrooy ,its all part of their game.They do it game in ,game out .

They used to, until Keane and Keown sorted them out.

 

[Socrates]

Nonsense. They have the fame but in the recent past their behaviour is way different. How can you stand in your moral high ground when you have players like Robben and Joe Cole? If you want credibility mention them all. Joe Cole argues about every decision and his diving habits are in the same level of the players you mentioned above. I fail to see where you want to go. And plz don´t put this like this is exclusively the work of foreigns players. Charlton in his book talked about behaviours like this and the english game didn´t even have foreigners. Everyone dives, it´s not about the nationalities, it´s about the caractheristics of the players. I´m so sick of your moral high ground and lectures. Diving unfortunately has been part of the game for ages.

TBH Pede has a point, Robben dives yes but why is it that only he gets talked about so much and he is in the papers?? Because of one reason he plays for Chelsea. If he were at another team i doubt there would be so much fuss over it. He also says that Robben's fall was a joke so he is not defending Robben but just saying that Robben is picked on because he plays for Chelsea. Deco dives a lot more than Robben, shame really he is a very skilled player but his cheating and attitude to complian hurts him a bit. I dont see alot of talk about that. Dani is another huge cheat in La liga, he is a defenders nightmare not because he is skilled but because he is a good actor. There are divers and playactors on every team even ours with Robinho who can argue about his weight for falling but most of time he is only thinking about getting the call his way. He does not dive often but still he has done it and i wish he would stop it.

 

[Seán D]

Its no coincidence that such a big deal is being made of this particular incident because the player concerned is a CHELSEA player.I can understand most people feeding on that fact.The reasons are obvious and go without saying.

I couldn't care less who he plays for, he dived trying to get another player sent-off. That is far worse than diving to get a free-kick. Nothing to do with Chelsea. Remember Rivaldo? He was widely condemned for diving to get someone sent-off after being hit with the ball. Diving is cheating, every team has their divers. But to go down like a ton of bricks because someone touches your face trying to get them sent off is ridiculous. Jose Reyes did something similar in the FA Cup replay against Wigan. The Wigan player didn't make a meal of it and a yellow card was awarded.

 

[Socrates]

I couldn't care less who he plays for, he dived trying to get another player sent-off. That is far worse than diving to get a free-kick. Nothing to do with Chelsea. Remember Rivaldo? He was widely condemned for diving to get someone sent-off after being hit with the ball. Diving is cheating, every team has their divers. But to go down like a ton of bricks because someone touches your face trying to get them sent off is ridiculous. Jose Reyes did something similar in the FA Cup replay against Wigan. The Wigan player didn't make a meal of it and a yellow card was awarded.

I dont think the person who started this thread was talking about that incident alone. Those pictures are talking about Robben's diving as a whole.

 

[Seán D]

I'm just sayin that divers are on every team, but Robben's latest "dive" was intended to get the player a red card. I was replying to an individual post. Divers are irritating, but every team has a few. Some more than others.

 

[pede54]

Nonsense. They have the fame but in the recent past their behaviour is way different. How can you stand in your moral high ground when you have players like Robben and Joe Cole? If you want credibility mention them all. Joe Cole argues about every decision and his diving habits are in the same level of the players you mentioned above. I fail to see where you want to go. And plz don´t put this like this is exclusively the work of foreigns players. Charlton in his book talked about behaviours like this and the english game didn´t even have foreigners. Everyone dives, it´s not about the nationalities, it´s about the caractheristics of the players. I´m so sick of your moral high ground and lectures. Diving unfortunately has been part of the game for ages.

Vinnie if you have seen Chelsea play this season ,you will have noticed that Cole has worked hard,on the orders of Jose,to make that side of his game history.I have seen almost every home and away game this season and seen live on TV ,all the games i could not attend.Believe me ,this season Cole has matured.He had plenty of cause for complaint against Liverpools"enthusiastic" tackling at the week-end for example,but he did not complain once.He did not go down once.He has been like that all season.
Sure i appreciate that its easier to gain a reputation than lose one,but he is working hard to lose his.
I never defended Robben at all.
Moral high ground is something i never take,and lectures i do not give.What i do give are opinions.Just like everyone else on here.Thats what a forum is actually for mate or are you not aware of that.
To be honest the only players that Bobby Charlton ever complained about for diving,just happened to be foreign players.Like it or not,cheating only became prevelant in English football with the influx of foreign players.Thats a fact.Sure the game has always been physical in England,but no English player EVER rolled around after a tackle like he was shot BEFORE this generation of players.I remember seeing South American teams doing it when i was a kid,over 30 years ago.That was not the case in England 30 years ago mate.
OK take a look at Chelsea.We have a Portuguese player called Carvalho.This guy is a sneaky cheat.He is forever pulling and tugging people.If he can hand ball the ball without being spotted ,he will try to do that too.In the long run,cheats are a liability to te team because they always give away free kicks in dangerous areas or maybe get themselves sent off.Carvalho puts himself in that position every week.Do we as Chelsea fans like it?NO we do not.It Stinks.He is a good player though.So why are so many great players also big cheats?Is it taught as a skill in certain countries?It is certainly more acceptable in some countries than others.
Do you think Jose praised Arjen for his play acting?No he did not.We do not need one of our players to give the media and other fans any excuse to take more cheap shots at our club.He let Chelsea down big time.Although to keep things in perspective,Reinna was gonna walk whether Arjen stood still or fell to the floor.Reinna should have had more self control and not risen to the bait from Robben.Something the GK has admitted himself since then.

 

[Dream Team]

Eto'o....

Eto'o a diver? Never. Ever.


Oh I would love to see the Chelsea fans with a Eto'o signature.. we could make a bet..

 

[pede54]

Dream Team...we do not want a s.hit like Eto'o at Chelsea man.Nothing personal towards you of course mate,but he is a low life lying cheating wanker,who tries to use his skin colour to get non-black people into deep s.hit.He is a disgrace to the black race and to the human race for even resorting to tactics like that.Sorry but i just hate the guy,and it has nothing to do with his footballing side.No he would not be welcome.

 

[Vinnie Jones]

Ridiculous, your observations on Carvalho. Was this an atempt to wind me up because im portuguese? He pulls and tugs like any player does in a dead ball situation. Your idea probably comes from that dispicable campaign made against him in CFC supporters forum where he is subject to all kind of abuse. Carvalho has always been a clean player, in Portugal, in the National team. He never injured any player and his disciplinary record (in the Superliga, European competitions and NT) was always incredible small, specially for a central defender. He is half as aggressive and viril than many english center backs that i´ve seen in the many years of watching the Premier League. You see the effort made my Joe Cole under the guidance of Mourinho but you deny the one that Van Nistelrooij and Ronaldo did? So you don´t call me biased i won´t mention Ronaldo and focus on Nistelrooij. He hardly dives anymore but he still gets more stick than many players that populate the premier league with that kind of antics. It´s ridiculous the persecution that the english moralists and purits do towards the continental players. I´ve seen games btw England and other national teams and they do the same. Games in the Uefa Cup last year btw Sporting and Newcastle, where players like Bowyer and Dyer, did far worse than any brazilian player that Sporting had, but the continentals get the fame. Wayne Rooney against Arsenal anyone? Don´t put this in the nationality prism, in the modern globalized football, everyone dives, specially the players who have more flair and technic and are subject to reckless tackles. It annoys me the way you english talk about this issue and it´s certainly a lecture. It also annoys me that they use this as an escape goat for their defeats, when they should focus on their awful performances instead of diverting attencions, with the same old crap talk. Like some Liverpool legends are focusing on Robben´s incident to divert the attention from that atrocious second half performance by Liverpool. It´s the same modus opperandi.
Listen and you know that for obvious reasons i root for Chelsea and we already talked about that, i´m not here to use Robben as a scapegoat, i´m trying to point the hypocrisy of some remarks. English players are no saints and they also resort to this kind of antics.

 

[Dream Team]

Dream Team...we do not want a s.hit like Eto'o at Chelsea man.Nothing personal towards you of course mate,but he is a low life lying cheating wanker,who tries to use his skin colour to get non-black people into deep s.hit.He is a disgrace to the black race and to the human race for even resorting to tactics like that.Sorry but i just hate the guy,and it has nothing to do with his footballing side.No he would not be welcome.

Haha. Yeah I knew your opinion about him and I still hope Eto'o ends his career in Barça.

I actually meant a bet on the upcoming Barça-Chelsea. If Barça win, the Chelsea fans put the sig we choose and if Chelsea win we put the sig you choose.

Think about it

 

[pede54]

Ridiculous, your observations on Carvalho. Was this an atempt to wind me up because im portuguese? He pulls and tugs like any player does in a dead ball situation. Your idea probably comes from that dispicable campaign made against him in CFC supporters forum where he is subject to all kind of abuse. Carvalho has always been a clean player, in Portugal, in the National team. He never injured any player and his disciplinary record (in the Superliga, European competitions and NT) was always incredible small, specially for a central defender. He is half as aggressive and viril than many english center backs that i´ve seen in the many years of watching the Premier League. You see the effort made my Joe Cole under the guidance of Mourinho but you deny the one that Van Nistelrooij and Ronaldo did? So you don´t call me biased i won´t mention Ronaldo and focus on Nistelrooij. He hardly dives anymore but he still gets more stick than many players that populate the premier league with that kind of antics. It´s ridiculous the persecution that the english moralists and purits do towards the continental players. I´ve seen games btw England and other national teams and they do the same. Games in the Uefa Cup last year btw Sporting and Newcastle, where players like Bowyer and Dyer, did far worse than any brazilian player that Sporting had, but the continentals get the fame. Wayne Rooney against Arsenal anyone? Don´t put this in the nationality prism, in the modern globalized football, everyone dives, specially the players who have more flair and technic and are subject to reckless tackles. It annoys me the way you english talk about this issue and it´s certainly a lecture. It also annoys me that they use this as an escape goat for their defeats, when they should focus on their awful performances instead of diverting attencions, with the same old crap talk. Like some Liverpool legends are focusing on Robben´s incident to divert the attention from that atrocious second half performance by Liverpool. It´s the same modus opperandi.
Listen and you know that for obvious reasons i root for Chelsea and we already talked about that, i´m not here to use Robben as a scapegoat, i´m trying to point the hypocrisy of some remarks. English players are no saints and they also resort to this kind of antics.

Vinnie.....no need to be so defensive over a player because he is portuguese mate.To be honest i didn't pick Ricardo as an example because he is the same Nationality as you at all.I dont do that.I picked him because he came into my head and i wanted to use a Chelsea player as an example so i would not get accused again of ignoring some Chelsea players faults.It seems like i just cant win whatever i do.
Anyway,i have to disagree man.Riccy is a sneak.He is.I like the guy as a player but he has this bad side to him.Not violent though,not at all.He is a very calm bloke,but he makes me nervous .Most of the time my fears are groundless but after the things i have seen him do for Chelsea,i think he pushes his luck sometimes.I watch him every game and he is very lucky sometimes to stay on the pitch.Although he too has improved that side of his game this season.
Of course there are many players who cheat or dive,and they are from all nations.But at one time ,that was not the case in England.Sorry if you dont like that statement but it is a fact.Now the english do it as much as anyone and thats a big shame.I dont ever defend something just because its English.I am not a little Englander and i never have been.Just as i do not ever accuse foreign players of being worse than English players.Its just a bit much when some people accuse English players of cheating when players from their own clubs do it too.
i was the one that stated ,that a reputation is harder to lose than gain,and in saying so as regards Cole.Of course this applies to Ruud VN as well.TBH i have never thought RVN was a serial diver.Rooney definately is not a serial diver.Only Arsenal fans think that and they should be the last ones to accuse anyone of diving.

 

[pede54]

Haha. Yeah I knew your opinion about him and I still hope Eto'o ends his career in Barça.

I actually meant a bet on the upcoming Barça-Chelsea. If Barça win, the Chelsea fans put the sig we choose and if Chelsea win we put the sig you choose.

Think about it

Hmmmmm.....thats a brave bet man.....yeah i'm gonna have to think about this one for a while first....... :funny:

 

[pede54]

Robben re-surfaces ........

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,277-2029987,00.html

 

[TheBlueBalla]

Ey DreamTeam, if that bet extends beyond just you two, I am in

 

[Dream Team]

Hmmmmm.....thats a brave bet man.....yeah i'm gonna have to think about this one for a while first....... :funny:

I just imagine you with a Eto'o signature.. It's worth ANY risk.

Ey DreamTeam, if that bet extends beyond just you two, I am in

We'll have to set some rules then. We better discuss this in the Barça and Chelsea threads.


If anyone else wants to join, everybody's welcome.

 

[Trequartista]

It's stupid to drop players just because he cheats. Playacting and diving is part of football, accept it.

Wow, this comment really struck me. I can't think of many other reasons to drop a player. Cheating is fairly serious, ain't it?

 

[pede54]

Wow, this comment really struck me. I can't think of many other reasons to drop a player. Cheating is fairly serious, ain't it?

Its also very common unfortunately.In this case you cant call what Robben done cheating as such.Just over reaction to what the idiot goalkeeper did.Reinna was gonna walk anyway simply for raising his hands.The ref has already stated that.
I would consider other cases of cheating to be more serious.But at the same time overacting and rolling around on the floor after a tackle is just bad sportsmanship.Not nice to see at all.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

No he would not be welcome.

Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll****. You would roll out the red carpet because he would be your best striker by far. He's a star.