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[Mandieta6]

This is R.Madrid thread not Barcelona, and when someone posted a possible corruption case from Madrid you response "what about messi?" to excuse dirty rags from your team , so it seems you're the hypocritical.

I'm not a Real Madrid fan, so that's out the window right there. Secondly, the member who posted about it has ignored several posts about the Messi case, signalling that crime is only important when it ocurrs by the other team, a sentiment you seem to echo. It might work differently in other boards where the activity is constant but here, threads are not independent from the rest so while it is true that this is the Madrid thread and thus it makes sense for a member to post exclusively about Madrid here, it is still a good place to call them out in regards to their lack of posting about other, similar (read: worse) offenses.

If you don't know, Silvia Lapuerta (who start to prosecuting Messi when Fiscalia told Messi is inocent), is an ex-directive from madrid.

http://www.blaugranas.com/messi_rec...-noticias_del_f_c_barcelona-ispyp-1377170.htm

Curious!

So a Barca site finds the fact that a prosecutor used to work for Real Madrid as suspicious in this case? That's curious indeed. Have you ever heard of conspiracy theories? Do I really need to argue a case against this? I guess all employees of a sports club are diehard fans who will risk their jobs on the hope that it mighjt get a rival away from the sport? This assumes that such a result would benefit that club (which is no guarantee, as the Ronaldo-Messi rivlary is a huge draw for both clubs) and ignores the fact that all sources point out that Messi is unlikely to actually see any time behind bars. The article you posted is hilarious because its author seems to believe that Messi paying the money he should've paid earlier should exculpate him, which, as far as I'm aware, is not something that happens in criminal justice. I could go on, but I think that's enough.

The judge from "Neymar case" is MEMBER from Real Madrid.

http://6cero.com/a/raulgarcialines/2015/feb/juez-caso-neymar-socio-real-madrid/247301 (from Madrid newspaper)

Curious!

Read above on why this is a stupid line of reasoning, but also, this is irrelevant to the Messi case.

What about Cristiano Ronaldo? Who used his mum to pass money from Spain to Portugal way Airport. What about Xabi Alonso and Nadal? Who did the same from Messi (about taxes), paid and the press NEVER talk about again.. come on.

Well, you guys don't talk about the Messi trial, so I guess you can understand that? These are all allegations and are, again, irrelevant to the Messi trial.

What about Granada and Athletic Bilbao matches? (only this season, if I say of last and others seasons..) on first match, a LEGAL GOAL nule for Granada, and ILEGAL GOAL valid for Madrid. On second match ilegal goal from Benzema.

What about this?

CR hits a rival and he's only banned for two matches. Piqué for insult, 4 matches.

What about this?

http://www.libertaddigital.com/depo...-para-demostrar-un-fuera-de-juego-1276415120/

AS (madrid newspaper) manipulate a picture to "demostrate" Dani Alves is offside (and was false)

Today, against Celta de Vigo, a puntual case:

Referee shows red card to Cabral for protest. They don't know Ramos is only allowed to do this:

Why Ramos were playing and Cabral not?

Nolito, angry with referee "he doesn't respect us"

http://www.donbalon.com/noticia/det...-el-arbitraje----nos-han-faltado-al-respeto--

And you say it's comical.. yeah, it's comical for the rest of the teams (irony)

This is all absolutely irrelevant. I could argue some of these points (from the pictures you posted Alves looks offside in both and challenging a referee is one of the more sanctionable offenses in sports while violent instances can go unseen by refs, etc) but this is all irrelevant and stinks of conspiracy talk that has plagued Spanish football fans for years. You do realise that I could post a similar list of grievances with the way officiating has favored Barca right? And these are all commonplace offenses in all of football, and bear no significance outside the sport. That is not on the same plane as stealing millions of euros from a country on the edge of becoming a part of the third world.

If you live in Spain, you would know what I'm telling. If you don't live in Spain then don't opine what you have not idea.

I do live in Spain. I'm just not blinded by tribalism and crazy conspiracy talk.

They just have envy because on 21th century Barça is the dominant club on the world. We win Champions League in colour not in black and white.

This is moronic. It is the perfect representation of tribalism and I am not surprised that you have gotten the full support of someone like Xaviesta, who needs his battles fought for him.

Note, still none of you have addressed the issue of Messi's fraud (Fiscalia have only 'forgiven' Messi because they believe his father is the one at fault, it's not like they're saying that no crime has been committed).

 

[Xaviesta]

Yeah, You are not surprised that I liked his post about Madrid & refs. Always an idiot.

And I only said about the refs in Spain and people who watch La Liga know it's too much in Madrid's favour. I have no idea about Messi and his personal life/taxes and I dont care. Only you care about that, what a huge problem for Shitzrael indeed.

 

[Mandieta6]

You expect me to believe, after you post time after time with tidbits from player interviews, fashion choice, etc. that you have no idea or opinion about Messi's personal life? Not everyone is as dumkb as you, Xaviesta.

Well, the general perception is that refs favor the best teams. This makes sense because the best teams have the ball more and create more chances so based on the fact that the sample size icnreases, it is easier to find poor choices benefitting them. If you weren't a Barca fan, you would complain about Barca getting those calls. But you are, so you don't. This makes perfect sense, especially when you factor in you being so, so stupid.

Only I care about Messi's tax issues? How is it that you can find millions of people saying dumb shit online and use that as basis for your posts, but you can't find anything about this? Could there be some sort of bias in play?

Actually, as a Spanish citizen, 3 million euros missing is a pretty big deal for me. It's probably not a significant percentage of tax money collected, but just the other day a mayor in a Valencian suburb approved a program that opened school cafeterias on weekends and holidays in an underpriviledged area, giving kids a place to eat and a space to be rather than out on the streets. This program costs 100,000 euros to fund. Admittedly, I dunno how much of tax funds are funnelled back into social programs, but Messi's defrauded funds represent up to 30 such programs that could be funded (or other uses).

If anyone even tenuously linked to Real Madrid had done this, you be on him in a heartbeat.

 

[Xaviesta]

Speaking of refs, Mascherano's red card vs Eibar was hilarious, also the decision to stop the game when Suarez was going to score his 4th.

How Eibar came out with 11 men, I'll never know.

 

[Xaviesta]

Hahaha, Mascherano is going to miss 4 games including Clasico because he said "la concha de tu madre". Even Pep said this to Alexis. Also Higuain wasn't red carded when he said this while playing for Madrid.

The ref did his best to piss Barca players off and what Masch did was really nothing what I would have done had I been there.

They fucking manage to piss Barca in a match vs. Eibar and in a first match after corruption case surfaced. I fucking hate some refs and Perez. They are that dirty.

Simeone was so fucking right man, they have no shame.

 

[Breaker19]

Mandieta6, you haven't got any fucking idea of spanish football. You're a completely ignorant.

I do live in Spain. I'm just not blinded by tribalism and crazy conspiracy talk

So you live in Spain, eh? Ok, I will suppose you talk spanish.

I'm not a Real Madrid fan, so that's out the window right there. Secondly, the member who posted about it has ignored several posts about the Messi case, signalling that crime is only important when it ocurrs by the other team, a sentiment you seem to echo. It might work differently in other boards where the activity is constant but here, threads are not independent from the rest so while it is true that this is the Madrid thread and thus it makes sense for a member to post exclusively about Madrid here, it is still a good place to call them out in regards to their lack of posting about other, similar (read: worse) offenses.

En primer lugar, si eres un fan del real madrid o no me la trae floja. Esto es un hilo del real madrid, no del Barça, por tanto aquí no tiene ninguna cabida que vengas a poner los problemas económicos de Messi, si tanto te disgustan sus problemas económicos abres un hilo sobre ello.

Pero escribiendolo aquí solo suena a una excusa para tapar los trapos sucios del Real Madrid.

En una noticia de un posible caso de corrupción el tema de Messi con hacienda no tiene absolutamente nada que ver, por mucho que te duela.

This is all absolutely irrelevant. I could argue some of these points (from the pictures you posted Alves looks offside in both and challenging a referee is one of the more sanctionable offenses in sports while violent instances can go unseen by refs, etc) but this is all irrelevant and stinks of conspiracy talk that has plagued Spanish football fans for years. You do realise that I could post a similar list of grievances with the way officiating has favored Barca right? And these are all commonplace offenses in all of football, and bear no significance outside the sport. That is not on the same plane as stealing millions of euros from a country on the edge of becoming a part of the third world.

POR SUPUESTO que es relevante. Dices que es "cómico" que llame ladrones al real madrid, así que esto tiene aún mas relevancia, porque en primer lugar, no te lo contesto por el "caso Messi", sino a la frase que me sueltas de que es "cómico llamarles ladrones", y además cuando es algo que va directamente con el Real Madrid, no con Messi.

Eres tan ignorante que no te das cuenta que la imagen de ALVES está trucada. De hecho en la noticia, el propio diario AS, PIDE PERDÓN por manipular las imágenes y hacer ver que está en fuera de juego cuando no fue así, una vez que los cogieron.

Es solo un ejemplo de la prensa manipulada por Florentino.

En España, el único que puede dirigirse así al árbitro es Sergio Ramos, que lo hace partido tras partido y NUNCA lo expulsan.

Yo he vivido en BARCELONA, CÁDIZ, GRANADA y durante gran parte del año viajo a VIGO ya que mi pareja es de allí. Te puedo asegurar que en TODOS los sitios sabemos quién es el Madrid, si te pusiese una lista de los equipos a los que el madrid les ha ROBADO no acababa.

Me hablas del Barcelona? Precisamente, el Barcelona lleva esta temporada OCHO penaltis no pitados, sí, OCHO. En cambio al real mandril le han regalado TRES que no eran, uno de ellos siendo clamoroso, jamás he visto que se pite un penalti por darle en la espalda a un jugador.

Además, explícame PORQUÉ Cristiano Ronaldo puede golpear a un rival propinandole 2 puñetazos y 1 patada, y que solo lo expulsen 1 partido y que a Piqué, por decir "la puta madre", lo expulsen 4. No lo entiendo.

This is moronic. It is the perfect representation of tribalism and I am not surprised that you have gotten the full support of someone like Xaviesta, who needs his battles fought for him.

Se nota lo INCULTO e IDIOTA que eres ya que si realmente tuvieses un mínimo conocimiento del FÚTBOL ESPAÑOL sabrías que HISTÓRICAMENTE los aficionados del real madrid son los mas "triviales" que te puedes encontrar, a menudo para menospreciar los éxitos de los rivales cuando ellos no ganan nada, lo único que saben es decir "pero tenemos mas Champions", durante todos los años que el Barcelona lleva ganando este siglo 21, haciendose grande, no he escuchado otra cosa de aficionados madridistas que no sea "pero tenemos 9 champions".

Son lo mas antideportivos, prepotentes y arrogantes que te puedes encontrar en el mundo del fútbol, así que no me cuentes historias.

Well, the general perception is that refs favor the best teams. This makes sense because the best teams have the ball more and create more chances so based on the fact that the sample size icnreases, it is easier to find poor choices benefitting them. If you weren't a Barca fan, you would complain about Barca getting those calls. But you are, so you don't. This makes perfect sense, especially when you factor in you being so, so stupid.

JAJAJAJAJAJA.

La de tonterías que dices no te las crees ni tú. Por ejemplo ayer, dime como coño un equipo que jugó a DEFENDERSE (así que de tener el balón nada, que fue el CELTA) acabó con menos tarjetas y un equipo que jugó a ATACAR se quedó con un jugador menos y fue claramente perjudicado.

Según tu teoría, el beneficiado debería haber sido el celta, ¿verdad?

El FC Barcelona es el equipo que mas posesión tiene de la Liga. Según tu teoría, el Barcelona debería ser el mas favorecido por los árbitros. Sin embargo, solamente en esta campaña lleva 8 PENALTIS NO PITADOS.

Dime como continuas patadas contra jugadores del Barça no son sancionadas y cuando el Barça roza mínimamente a un jugador es TARJETA AMARILLA (aún no me explico la que le sacaron ayer a Piqué).

Dime PORQUÉ el Real Madrid puede pegar patadas a sus rivales que no son ni tarjeta amarilla y otros que hagan lo mismo es tarjeta roja.

Dime PORQUÉ Cristiano Ronaldo puede pegar puñetazos y patadas a sus rivales y solo lo expulsan 2 partidos mientras a otros por insultar los expulsan 4 partidos.

Dime PORQUÉ en la final de Copa del Rey de 2011 entre FC Barcelona y Real Madrid se llegó hasta tal extremo de permitir esa cantidad ABUSIVA de patadas del Real Madrid al Barcelona sin que ninguna fuese sancionada, CORTANDO EL JUEGO del rival, cuando, según tu teoría, el árbitro debería haber beneficiado al Barcelona ya que es el equipo que mas tiene el balón.

http://www.donbalon.com/noticia/det...rcelona-en-los-clasicos-contra-el-real-madrid

9 grandes atracos del real madrid al Barcelona. Y SOLO 9...

Note, still none of you have addressed the issue of Messi's fraud (Fiscalia have only 'forgiven' Messi because they believe his father is the one at fault, it's not like they're saying that no crime has been committed).

Finalmente, ya que te interesa tanto el tema de Messi, que parece que ha violado a tu novia, a ver como comprendes que la Fiscalía LO HA EXCULPADO.

Dime tú, ¿porqué la abogacía tiene mas razón que la Fiscalía? Veremos lo que se dicta en sentencia, pero me parece, extraño cuanto menos, que después de haber pagado hace un año lo que se debía (y más) para no tener problemas, y después de que la Fiscalía declare que Leo Messi es inocente venga una señora llamada Silvia Lapuerta que es EX-DIRECTIVA del REAL MADRID, que trabajaba codo con codo con Florentino Pérez y pida 22 meses de cárcel para Messi.

Leo Messi PAGÓ a Hacienda mas de lo que debía para evitar problemas. Sin embargo otros deportistas afines al Real Madrid como Xabier Alonso y Rafa Nadal, han tenido EL MISMO PROBLEMA con Hacienda que Messi. Pagaron lo que debían y NUNCA MÁS se volvió a saber del tema. ¿Me explicas porqué?

También, Cristiano Ronaldo usó a su madre Dolores Aveiro para pasar dinero de España a Portugal por el aeropuerto, aunque la Guardia Civil la pilló. ¿Esto no lo nombras? ¿Porqué?

También es muy curioso que el juez del Caso Neymar sea MIEMBRO VIP del real Madrid.

Será que no hay personas que precisamente los que juzgan a jugadores del Barça son ex-directivos y miembros del real madrid, ¿verdad?

Todo el mundo sabe que lo que se está viendo solo son intentos de Florentino para que Messi y Neymar se larguen del Barcelona, ya que él no los ha conseguido para el Real Madrid.

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I know I have to speak on english on this forum, I will translate the post later.

I can only say, if you haven't got any fucking idea of spanish football, please don't opine what you don't know, because this make you to see like a completely IDIOT.

 

[Mus]

Just saw the game, Suarez lashed out and elbowed an eibar player in the head infront of the ref then went on to score a hattrick

Both you and madrid are as dirty as each other

I love how you can try to act saintly under a transfer ban?

 

[Breaker19]

I don't try to act saintly.

I just only show the truth, because I don't understand how Messi is taking a place on a Real Madrid thread because his financial problems, I don't know that.

I know Barcelona did bad a few things (like ALL teams) but I can't keep silent when I read a guy who haven't got any idea of spanish football attack to MESSI when other mate shows a NEW from Real Madrid.

And when you have to read calling Madrid thieves "it's comical".. then you understand how many ignorants there are.

Ah, and it's comical you mentioned that of Suárez when Eibar players give a lot of hard kicks for Barcelona players (I don't know how Neymar or Busquet don't end with one leg less)

 

[Mandieta6]

Holy shit, I can't believe you wrote all that when it is all further proof of the same points I made. I'll get to this later.

 

[Breaker19]

 

[Mandieta6]

My point exactly.

 

[Xaviesta]

Of course Barça have done some bad things (Rossell and Bartomeu -> transfer ban) but we are talking about La Liga and how Madrid/Perez is controlling it. I care about the team, about the title in Spain, not about Bartomeu's problems with x y and z. Perez is taking this to another level and when several people including Simeone say at press confs. things like that, it's pretty much clear. and now this case with the linesman.

I still remember Ronaldo's pathetic gesture in front of Mateu Lahoz and he got away with it. yeah, touch your dick in front of ref and say te gusta and you get nothing, but Mascherano could be suspended for 4 games because he said something that every south american players say during a game.

Three hours after game, referee report not yet published. Normally published 30-60 min after game. Mascherano insult reports based on leak. You could make a cartoon out of this stuff.

 

[Xaviesta]

Funny how Ronaldo says he is the best player in the world but proves himself wrong the very next day.

 

[Arnau]

No man, he is playing in God mode... invisible.

 

[Xaviesta]

That's the Halloween spirit!

 

[Breaker19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-French-international-Mathieu-Valbuena.html

Real Madrid footballer Karim Benzema is arrested over sex tape blackmail plot against French international Mathieu Valbuena

What an excellent mate..

And Last week Benzema was driving at 216 km/h on Madrid, being dangerous for people safety..

But people worried about Messi problems with Hacienda.. xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD surrealistic.

 

[Arnau]

Exactly, spanish media made a circus from Barça player halloween costumes but serious shit like that is ignored.

 

[Xaviesta]

Beznema... wow, shit just got real.

Karim Benzema charged in France w/conspiracy to blackmail & participating in criminal group. 5 years in Jail maximum.

 

[Breaker19]

Wooooow! ZAS ON THE MOUTH for all people who wanted to see Messi at the Jail!!!!!!

The only chance to see Justice act, its out of Spain.. on France of course. If you see this on Spain, Benzema were clean.

 

[Arnau]

Benzema is a gangster. Caught driving without licence many times (at +200km/h), bang ilegal age bitches and blackmail team mates but hey! Lets talk about real scandals like Barça players in halloween costumes in Getafe.