Real Madrid Thread [2007-2008]

[CarlosDanger]

You could easily use Robinho as a sub for either Raul or Robben or even Guti in certain situations. If Robinho continues to play well, I don't see how Schuster wouldn't pick him, but for political reasons he'll have to play the big summer signing at least for a while.

 

[Socrates]

^^
Hehe true


So I am reading the Spanish media and they are reporting that once Robben gets back in shape which should happen for the Almeria match that the starting 11 will look like this


Casillas
Ramos
Canna
Metzelder
Diarrah
Sneijder (on the right)
Guti (in the middle)
Robben (left)
Raul
RVN

Yup, np Robihno.....that is a shocker, what do you guys think?

I would somehow doubt that, Schuster praised Robinho a lot before he was even the manager here, the only person he talked more about was Robben so I would be very suprised if Robinho was on the bench...Schuster will have a tough time picking the starting elven, even if Robinho is left out lets see how long that lasts. Will Guti keep up his form or become inconsistant again? Will Robben stay injury free? and etc so lets see how it goes but either way it's kind of a nice problem to have.

 

[mega montana]

robinho will get plenty of playing time, regardless if hes starting or not

btw, i hope we arent planning to play with only 10 men

 

[justhammy]

Holland beat Bulgaria 2-0. Goalscorers ---> Sneijder and Ruud! lol! Fantastic!

 

[Dipanjan]

Great job from Dutch Real Madrid players!!!!!!!

 

[Silencer]

Yes well Wesley takes killer freekicks as you already found out and Ruud's goal was brilliant, a covered shot nobody expected

 

[Gene Reginato]

^^
Hehe true


So I am reading the Spanish media and they are reporting that once Robben gets back in shape which should happen for the Almeria match that the starting 11 will look like this


Casillas
Ramos
Canna
Metzelder
Heinze
Diarrah
Sneijder (on the right)
Guti (in the middle)
Robben (left)
Raul
RVN

Yup, np Robihno.....that is a shocker, what do you guys think?

there 11th man added...my fault

Ever since the rumours about Robben started I knew that would happen. Robben plays in Robinho's spot and no matter how he plays he doesn't have a default starting spot as other players in the team. I think Robinho playing for Real was a bad move for his carreer. In these three years he hasn't evolved...actually anyone knew him from his brazilian days knows he played better back then.
Hell, even nowadays, when he even plays for Brazil, he plays better than in RM.

 

[Socrates]

Ever since the rumours about Robben started I knew that would happen. Robben plays in Robinho's spot and no matter how he plays he doesn't have a default starting spot as other players in the team. I think Robinho playing for Real was a bad move for his carreer. In these three years he hasn't evolved...actually anyone knew him from his brazilian days knows he played better back then.
Hell, even nowadays, when he even plays for Brazil, he plays better than in RM.

Don't know about that, I have seen him play some very bad games for Brazil ( and Madrid ). You say he was better in Brazil...maybe that's because of the competiton is not as high as in Spain because it took a while to find out where Robinho was most effective ( LW not SS like he played for Santos ). I think he has got better but he stills makes silly mistakes like not passing it fast enough or to the right person/just dribbling his own way through. He has gotten better than when he first arrived, a lot better but not all the way there yet. BTW last game Robinho played as RW which is not Robben's position so who knows what the starting XI will be, it could be Guti who is axed to the bench.

 

[Gene Reginato]

Don't know about that, I have seen him play some very bad games for Brazil ( and Madrid ). You say he was better in Brazil...maybe that's because of the competiton is not as high as in Spain because it took a while to find out where Robinho was most effective ( LW not SS like he played for Santos ). I think he has got better but he stills makes silly mistakes like not passing it fast enough or to the right person/just dribbling his own way through. He has gotten better than when he first arrived, a lot better but not all the way there yet. BTW last game Robinho played as RW which is not Robben's position so who knows what the starting XI will be, it could be Guti who is axed to the bench.

Sorry. Competition is Brazil is as high or even higher than Spain. Here any team can be champion, unlike Spain where only 2-3 teams can win. If you look at the players who played against Robinho while he was in Brazil you will see most of them are key players in Europe nowadays.

In Brazil he played better, because Santos knew how to use him... just look at the numbers from the time he left: he was the leading assistant in the championship (so he knew very well how to pass), the second scorer (even though he missed as many opportunities, which proves how much he participated in the attack) and, surprisingly, second ball-stealer in the team.

He just returned from Copa America where he was leading striker and best player (against a dozen media darlings from Europe) and he is already to be benched.

Just a bad deal for him.

 

[Dipanjan]

It's a shame really.

 

[Socrates]

Sorry. Competition is Brazil is as high or even higher than Spain. Here any team can be champion, unlike Spain where only 2-3 teams can win. If you look at the players who played against Robinho while he was in Brazil you will see most of them are key players in Europe nowadays.

In Brazil he played better, because Santos knew how to use him... just look at the numbers from the time he left: he was the leading assistant in the championship (so he knew very well how to pass), the second scorer (even though he missed as many opportunities, which proves how much he participated in the attack) and, surprisingly, second ball-stealer in the team.

He just returned from Copa America where he was leading striker and best player (against a dozen media darlings from Europe) and he is already to be benched.

Just a bad deal for him.

I meant that the quality of players in Spain are higher than in Brazil, at least IMO that's what I meant. I don't see how the league in Brazil is better because it has a more balance out league? If you put the teams in la liga compared to the Braizlian ones I don't see that many better Brazil teams.

Trust me Madrid tried to use him everyway possible, upfront by himself, behind the striker as a SS, as a playmaking #10, to the right, and finally to the left. As I said before it's easier to do all those things in Brazil than it is in Spain, all the players from South America talk about the changes in Europe and how they have to adapt. Robinho does indeed know how to pass but has bad decision making, well he misses lots of opportunities for us too but still is active in the attack ala Villarreal game, and he does defend for us too...seems like the same Robinho right

When was he benched? So far nothing has happend but for some reason we are having all this talk about him.

 

[KingPaulV]

We are having all the talk about him because there is a serious possibility that he will be benched....why would you bench Guti...that would make no sesnse. He and Sneijder have picked on to what Schuster is trying to do better than anybody else, they are gelling they get the team moving. Wether Guti can stay in form or not remains to be seen, it is obvious that there will be bad days, but the way he has been playing there is no reason why he should be benched in favor or Robihno or Robben.

Robben was a big investment, could prove to be a foolish on if he gets injured although I hope that since the Spanish league is not as physical as the Premiership that he will stay healthy longer; They have to play Robben at some point, but IMO he should stick to the bench for the first few games coming in as a sub, it would be the wiser thing, and also allows him to get back in rhithym a little slower...which would ultimately will be better.....

Out of the two games we have played Robihno has been the weakes MF but that is partly because Guti and Sneijder have been playing out of their minds...I seem to agree with our friend here that says Robihno was better in Brazil and is still better with the NT, but to say that moving to Real Madrid was a bad career move, that is a strech....He will find his form, I am sure, he is still a key part of the team.

 

[Gene Reginato]

I meant that the quality of players in Spain are higher than in Brazil, at least IMO that's what I meant. I don't see how the league in Brazil is better because it has a more balance out league? If you put the teams in la liga compared to the Braizlian ones I don't see that many better Brazil teams.

Trust me Madrid tried to use him everyway possible, upfront by himself, behind the striker as a SS, as a playmaking #10, to the right, and finally to the left. As I said before it's easier to do all those things in Brazil than it is in Spain, all the players from South America talk about the changes in Europe and how they have to adapt. Robinho does indeed know how to pass but has bad decision making, well he misses lots of opportunities for us too but still is active in the attack ala Villarreal game, and he does defend for us too...seems like the same Robinho right

When was he benched? So far nothing has happend but for some reason we are having all this talk about him.

I'm sorry, but we disagree on that, Spain has star players, but they are mostly in 3 or 4 teams, more than half of the players in Spain wouldn't have a starting spot on brazilian teams.

The average brazilian player is better than the average spanish player, and just like anything in life, there are more average people in any area than outstanding ones.

I give you another example, you said "If you put the teams in la liga compared to the Braizlian ones I don't see that many better Brazil teams." Really? Most brazilian teams wouldn't have problem in La Liga, remember that Inter and São Paulo beat Liverpool and Barça in the Fifa WC.

 

[Gene Reginato]

And by the way, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be benched, but I do believe he should have chosen a a more stable team.

 

[Socrates]

I'm sorry, but we disagree on that, Spain has star players, but they are mostly in 3 or 4 teams, more than half of the players in Spain wouldn't have a starting spot on brazilian teams.

The average brazilian player is better than the average spanish player, and just like anything in life, there are more average people in any area than outstanding ones.

I give you another example, you said "If you put the teams in la liga compared to the Braizlian ones I don't see that many better Brazil teams." Really? Most brazilian teams wouldn't have problem in La Liga, remember that Inter and São Paulo beat Liverpool and Barça in the Fifa WC.

Your kidding right? Really where are you basing this from? How are you so sure that Brazilian's are better than Spanish players. How much Spanish soccer do you even watch? I have seen the Brazilian teams play and the quality is not as good as in Spain and it's played at a slower speed aswell making it easier for the players. Honestly the only reason to get a Brazilian who is average as compared to a Spanish or Italian one is because the Brazilian one ( or even South American ) is usually cheaper than the European ones.

Oh come on, first off this is a cup that no one really cares about. Most people just hope their players don't get injured so they can play in more important games like the league or CL. Not only that but Liverpool dominated the match, Sao Paulo got very lucky to win, I think they had 4 shots and 2 on target while Liverpool had like 21 shots and 8 on target aswell as having the ball for most of the match. Having watched both leagues I will have to disagree with you, the style of play in Spain is too much for most Brazilian teams ( not all though ).

KingPaulV - So if Schuster drops Robinho than who plays RW? I don't know, I think Schuster would be rather take out Guti than Robinho who he praised pretty much all of the preseason and even before he was the manager.

 

[KingPaulV]

He might take Guti out but I doubt it...Sneijder is well suited to playing at any of the AM position wether the middle the right or left...He is a little prodigy, plus the way that Schuster has been playing him he would be free to exchange places with Guti in the middle. We wouldn't be playing a true RW instead we would play an attacking RM ....Ramos works in this equation because he would come up as a flanker to support the flank and run up the wing supplying the need for the game in the Right wing....Robben being a true LW would give us balance on the other side, that way would would be mostly a counter attacking team like against Villareal with speed and versatility down the middle mostly but also the Left Wing....that is somewhere Drenthe could help also...

As far as Robihno....and the whole Brazil Spain thing....Socrates, the reason why European clubs go and get Brazilians is not because they are cheap and that's it...They are skilled, they more TECHNICALLY gifted than European players, that means individual skills, flare and vision, that is why to you Brazilian teams seem slow, they are more into building up play and using technical ability over physical ability; that is South American football in a nutshell...European and Spanish footballers are most TACTICALLY gifted. that means physicality, that means discipline, European players are strong, physical and very gifted when it comes to tactics...that is why players like C. Ronaldo are annomalies for European systems, the flare is something unlikely of a European player, just like a Pasarella is an annomaly to the south American system....

Anyway, I saw Robihno today with Brazil and he had a couple of nice plays, again, Brazil plays him as a hook between the ST and Kaka/Ronaldihno in spanish we call that an 'enganche' player.

 

[Socrates]

He might take Guti out but I doubt it...Sneijder is well suited to playing at any of the AM position wether the middle the right or left...He is a little prodigy, plus the way that Schuster has been playing him he would be free to exchange places with Guti in the middle. We wouldn't be playing a true RW instead we would play an attacking RM ....Ramos works in this equation because he would come up as a flanker to support the flank and run up the wing supplying the need for the game in the Right wing....Robben being a true LW would give us balance on the other side, that way would would be mostly a counter attacking team like against Villareal with speed and versatility down the middle mostly but also the Left Wing....that is somewhere Drenthe could help also...

As far as Robihno....and the whole Brazil Spain thing....Socrates, the reason why European clubs go and get Brazilians is not because they are cheap and that's it...They are skilled, they more TECHNICALLY gifted than European players, that means individual skills, flare and vision, that is why to you Brazilian teams seem slow, they are more into building up play and using technical ability over physical ability; that is South American football in a nutshell...European and Spanish footballers are most TACTICALLY gifted. that means physicality, that means discipline, European players are strong, physical and very gifted when it comes to tactics...that is why players like C. Ronaldo are annomalies for European systems, the flare is something unlikely of a European player, just like a Pasarella is an annomaly to the south American system....

Anyway, I saw Robihno today with Brazil and he had a couple of nice plays, again, Brazil plays him as a hook between the ST and Kaka/Ronaldihno in spanish we call that an 'enganche' player.

Wesley can play on the wing but to me it seems a bit of a waste to play him there, it would ideal if he was in the middle to take advantage of his long shots and passes. I also think we should have speed on the wing so for me the odd one out would be Guti but lets see what Schuster does.

I don't quite agree with that, maybe if those European players where English because Spanish and Italian players are very good in terms of vision, dribbling, passing, and etc. I don't buy the whole Brazilians are better thing, I have seen quite a bit of games from Brazil and their players are not as great as you would think...some of them control the ball and pass the ball worse than Baptista For me atleast in Spain teams do build up play but they do it with speed, not like England where you just hoof the ball and run.

 

[KingPaulV]

I didnt say Brazilians were better, I said there are qualities that Brazilians and south americans en-large posses that Europeans dont traditionally have, and that is what European clubs go after...that is the reality of things...

 

[Gene Reginato]

Your kidding right? Really where are you basing this from? How are you so sure that Brazilian's are better than Spanish players.

Is this a joke?

Fact 1 - Brazil - 5 times world champions
Spain - 0.

Fact 2 - Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year

and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Player_of_the_Year#Wins_By_Country

Fact 3 - Pelé

Fact 4: The number of brazilian players who leave the country every year is bigger than the number of players participating in the brazilian first division. Which means that a lot of 2nd and 3rd rate players who can't succeed in the country abroad can succeed abroad. Examples: Deco, Pepe, Lincoln...

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

La Liga is better than the Brasilian league. The best brasilians go abroad to the top leagues like La Liga, Serie A just like the top players of other countries do. I am not talking about Spanish players vs. Brasilian players but about the leagues. There is not much stability in leagues like the Brasilian and Argentine leagues for reasons of corruption, mismanagement and the top players leaving those leagues every year.