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PES5- backwards step or give more time? (my rant)

mallum

Club Supporter
Is anyone else getting 0-0 scorelines all the time? On the rare occasion I score I cant get more than one in a game either. Im trying so hard to get to grips with it, trying out different styles, but being left very frustrated by it. Ive been playing PES games from the beginning and this for me is the toughest one yet. 3 stars and above (there doesnt seem much difference to me).

The main problem is that I dont seem to be creating very many openings, knocking it around, wingplay crossing, direct centre attacking the defenders are always blocking! What do people suggest is the best approach for this game and team set up? What am I missing here?

The animations are excellent giving the movement a great sense of realism so I appreciate it for that.

Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a ramble but Im a great fan of PES and dont want enjoyment to be ruined.
 

Rork73

Club Supporter
As much as I love this game, there are some things that are just not right imo.
Defenders of pc controlled teams are much more active than my team's players - mine are always too late with intercepting passes or taking back possesion of the ball. The other team plays like a real good team, but they always seem to be without mistakes.
I've had only one moment sofar that a central defender missed my pass through the air and gave my forward a chance to score.
Again, I don't mind it, but my team is far more passive, which is a little weird.

Also, playing on three stars, I find it hard to score but I do manage to keep my goal clean....so in the league I played I often have scores like 0-0 1-0 0-1 and so on.

A little more variation would be nice imo....but otherwise it's just awesome.
 

Anzi23

Youth Team
I think that PES5 is a step forward. It's a step towards realism. In PES4 quick 180-degree-turn was a hell of a weapon against CPU opponent, now its power has been decreased and the defence can keep up with human player more often. That makes the game a bit more difficult - which is only a good thing - because you have to do something more creative than just 180-degree-turn to get some space around you. The game has become more tactical.

Also the slower pace of the game doesn't really bother me. Only thing that it made me to do was that I had to change match length to 20 minutes because of the low scoring matches. Now my teams' stats are pretty much like CPU teams' in Master League. I can't see myself playing PES4 anymore - at least for now. But hey, that's just my opinion. ;)

EDIT: And about those fouls. Referees are stricter in PES5, but I find that also as a good thing. You have to be well positioned to get the ball from opponent. As someone said before: now it's not just running like hell and pressing the X-button (in PS2-version, I have Xbox-version). Also the goalies are better. Sometimes they seem to be too good, but that's how it's in real life also, isn't it?
 

Matthiasvdb

Youth Team
rado907 said:
same here.

dunno, the more im play the more i feel this game is about as bad as pes4, but in a different way.


pes4 was the best ever.

now about pes5, only played a few matches and it feel's totally different.
Don't know yet if i like it. To people who are saying that you have to set all tactics right and scout the opponent, etc... get real , PES is not a football manager. If wanted to screw around with tactics i would have bought championship manager.
My first impressions are that it's hard to shield the ball, to dribble,accelerate, well...just all the things u were used to in PES4.
Also defending (pressing) feels strange. I often need 3-4 players to stop the opponent.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
The more I've played pes/we games over the years the more I start thinking to myself that tactics actually changes very little in the outcome of a particular match. For a last few months I usually play with default tactics/formations that are given by Konami or modmaker (both we8 or pes5). I think that your individual playing style and skill is only important thing that matters although it is sometimes usefull to push the slider down to ''all out defence'' and alike. As to all those ''counter attack'', ''zone press'', ''left/right side attack'', I've cought myself more like pretending that they are real than actally changing the performance of the team. Well ok, formations does make a difference but only visual - if you are used to some playing stile you will utilyze it anyway with any formation which somewhat neglects the use of different formations.
Just sharing my experience.


As for the other thing I think it's actually easyer to shield the ball now exept when running from flanks where cpu will take away or deflect the ball out of bound 9 times out of 10 without you even managing the atempt on cross.

I heard lot of criticism about passing. Well this is the area which I think is most improved this year. Passing, both short and long are now much more intuitive and less scripted. Ball behaves much more according to player's stats and particular situation. It's only good that you can't make perfect ping pong passes all the time. Ball is sverwing a lot more now which looks very nice when crosing the ball or making long balls and sometimes gets really beautiful openings.
Well, maybe it doesn't affect cpu that much (on 6* at least), they're still passing like dream. Especially those clearing headers from their own box to halfway line making the pinpoint pass to a teamate. This is what I call cheating.

One thing that bothers me is that fast and physically strong players are way too owerpovered in this game. It's better to have 11 Duffs or Viearas in team than 11 Figos, because if a player can not stand firmly on the ground all he's other l33t skills goes to rubbish bin.
It seems that referees take pushing and aggressive shoulder barges as a fouls only when those are commited against a player with body balance over 85. If for example Riquelme gets pushed down, ref sees is just as a weak player falling down himself because... well, he's a girly pants. (:/)
 

Matthiasvdb

Youth Team
more things that bother me :

The 1-2 passes are ****ed up. You have to push L1 for ages to make him perform it.
The sprinting has turne bad, the closer you come to the goal, the more clumsy players get, pushing the ball forward way too far. And the game seems to remind the sprinting input too long, resulting in unwanted knocking the ball too far.
 

tracertong

Reserve Team
domin8or said:
What bothers me is:


* Sometimes when I do a short pass to a player, he will sometimes miss it and then the opponent gets the ball.

Well that never happens in real football does it........
 

niceman

Senior Squad
Compared to PES 4 PES 5 is suck a big leap forward in all directions. U do not win 10-0 in 6* matches anymore...u do not run down the sides like it was a highway. If u want the åerfect game waits for PES 1277!
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
Matthiasvdb said:
more things that bother me :

The 1-2 passes are ****ed up. You have to push L1 for ages to make him perform it.
Heh, and I thought that my gamepad is ****ed up. Yes, and it also happens with other actions. It seems that I have to push pass/shoot button at least twice to get my player perform those actions most of the time. Another ''feature'' to make game more challanging? :nape:
The sprinting has turne bad, the closer you come to the goal, the more clumsy players get, pushing the ball forward way too far. And the game seems to remind the sprinting input too long, resulting in unwanted knocking the ball too far.
Yup, that is also throught. There is certainly some script that makes sprinting player to push ball 3 meters ahead (instead of usual 1/1.5) just as he approaches touch line or defender/goalie gets near. Nice. :rolleyes:
 

MasterM

Senior Squad
seriously, the players are TOO clumsy for my feeling and they turn TOO slow. In pes4 they were too quick, but i think in pes5 they are just too slow in turnin and ball handling.
And a lot of passes go wrong, even with players with high short pass acc.
And is it me or do i not notice much difference in players with high technigue and high dribbeling accuracy? All good players seem too play the same. In pes4 there was much more difference between players.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
And is it me or do i not notice much difference in players with high technigue and high dribbeling accuracy? All good players seem too play the same. In pes4 there was much more difference between players.
No, it isn't just you. There is really not much point of having excellent dribblers in the squad (well, unless they've 99) coz they can't keep the ball tightly at their feet anyway. Better get some Drogbas and Henrys who can just push their way through via brute force, making defenders stumble thus getting a cheap opening.
Passing is ok by me though. It's only natural to make some misstakes even if you're Zidane. In previous games 90% short passes were succesfull which isn't life like.
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
TristanAbbott7 said:
The only issue I have at the moment is I can't score from corners at all. I can't even win the header on an offensive corner although I do pretty well with defensive headers from corners. Is there some trick I'm missing?

Well u shudn't use the (up direction + Lob) combination when playing the corner (as u did in PES4). In PES5, just use the Lob button, with only the left/right buttons for adding a swerve to the ball. With a player like Beckham,
ur corners will be no different than penalties...

Of course u have to wait for ur players to be in position... (specially the one closest to u, wait till he's unmarked)

The whole 'waiting for players to take position' is really realistic... BUT in PES6, can they make this process a bit FASTER... as it is in real life? I mean in real-life, defenders and attackers constantly keep breaking away and losing each other with FAST RUNS... not with small slow steps, as in PES5...

The concept is really good... but needs refinement.

When defending against a corner, u quickly need to manually take control of ur defender, and place him in front of the attacker most likely to receive the ball, then just head the ball away, as u'll reach it first.
 

ugluk

Youth Team
i think the lobs might be a little too perfect (i have trouble believing that my crappy master league players can do 50 yard foot-to-chest lobs while having 50 as their long pass stat), but otherwise, passing is much more realistic.

the fouls you get used to. Seriously, as somebody else said, stop comlaining and learn how not to foul. In real life, a lot of players will fall as soon as you touch them to get a free-kick. Same thing happens here. Don't do stupid sh*t and learn from the comp. You can tackle without fouling. Trust me. I play 15-min halves and I get under 10 fouls total per game.

I AM disappointed with dribbling. I mean, seriously, you can't burn 5 guys in a row even with an amazing player. Although it's much better than the 180-degree turns in PES 4, which were horribly unrealistic.

Overall, the game feels like real life though. Honestly, PES 4 was not real. At all. I had my SMF getting 30 assists a season in PES 4. Not so easy in this one. Attacks are hard and you gotta have creativity in your build ups, even on 3 stars. It's mad fun.
 

Keemo

Senior Squad
I think they turned down the dribbling big time because of too many complaints about dribbling up the whole field and scoring 10 goals a match. Now the strong players like Drogba are the powerful ones.

I love how lots of people are frustrated that goals are hard to score on 3+ stars. I think it means the AI finally defends well, we all have to get better at attacking. I actually have to use some clever formations this time.
 

WEWEWE

Youth Team
compaints:

1) too many fouls? bs, how about don't try to push the person with the ball at the wrong angle? how about don't hammer your X button? learn to play like how you play football not how you play FiFA -
where you position your player is more important than ever - try to use your "head" to predict where the player will turn and you can get the ball that much easier

2) dribbling too slow - again, try to use ur head a bit more and u'll appreciate the change

I'm loving this way more than PES4 ... no way I'm going back to PES4 now that I've experienced this

if you find this game too "difficult" for you then just stay with the version you're happy with and sell ur PES5 copy - I'm sure many will be ready to buy
 

Matthiasvdb

Youth Team
pfff, what happened to defending . If you push X it's always foul, if you don't, and try taking the ball just like that, they walk by it stupidly. And CPU makes fouls all the time.
 

WEWEWE

Youth Team
just play like how you would in rf and I'm sure u won't get as many fouls

if you still get lots of fouls then this game isn't for you

I reckon Konami has gone the hardcore way - simple Joe's can't handle complicated games
PES will keep becoming a better football game but at the same time lots of ppl will find it too hard - such as the above belgium dude - hence FiFA :ewan: :lui: :lui: :lui:
 

Swerve

Youth Team
Alot of what people are saying here is true both good and bad. I just finished winning the league on 5* with Tottenham, so it can be done. Here are some of the things I've noticed:
Fouls- I actually get fouled alot more by the computer than I actually foul them and still manage to usually keep a clean sheet. My problem is that the cpu fouls so much that I often have good fast break chances ruined. This is fine, because that is real life, but the problem is with the ref. He MIGHT call a foul, advantage never works in my favor and he rarely if ever cards the cpu, even when it is the same player making all of the fouls.
Defence- Defence isn't that bad in this game. For the most part if you just pay attention to what the cpu is (always) trying to do, which is the through ball, then you can usually stop them. On the wings, be sure that if you allow your cpu controlled fullback to mark a winger, he will definitely be caught flat footed by a through ball 5-10 times a game. Just switch to that player when the cpu has the ball over there and drop back a few yards so that when the pass is attempted you will have a few steps on the attacker. You can also use R2 to just try to stay in front of the ball carrier to slow him down and make him go back, or just wait to take it. Patience is the key on defence. ***Same goes for through balls over the top, but there will be times on the wings and through the middle when the CPU will just bump your guys out of the way and get the ball no matter what you do, so e sure to be ready to use the triangle to get your keeper to come out (they rarely get called for fouls, and if you get to the ball at or just after the cpu, the keeper will always take it).
Attack- Forget the lofted through ball unless you have a Beckham or Pirlo on your team, because they are useless otherwise (always roll to the keeper). Playing down the wings is pretty useless too if you are interested in crossing the ball (crosses are also largely unhelpful, crossing early helps, but passes on the groud or in the air are usually grabbed by the keeper or crossed to some ridiculous place in the box). The wings do help though sometimes to spread the defence out as well all know that cpu "defence" means to just pack the box. The best time to get the cpu is on the break. Try to play it into your striker and have them roll off of the last defender (this worked well with decent dribblers). Also don't be afraid to just hit the ball from outside of the box. I actually score a higher precentage of shots from outside the box than in. It also isn't that hard to bring the ball across the top of the box, beat a man with a change of pace, and then try to hit a shot on goal. *** I do not score from set peices, maybe 2 or 3 goals in the whole season, not saying it can't be done, but don't expect to be banging them in from deadball situations.
Tactics- they can help (formation wise), but are necessary and can also be unhelpful sometimes too.
Any questions about any of this feel free to ask (be sure to tell me what team you are using too).

There are some problems with the game though too that people have mentioned.
-Your teammates are lazy. Alot of what Konami does I think is not so much to make you mad, but to help the cpu on defence. If your players made the runs they should, timed their runs better, etc. the cpu would never be able to compete. That doesn't make it right, but still... Your players are also ALOT less active on defence. Guys will usually not stick their foot out to get a ball rolling right past them and they won't start to chase a man running onto a through ball until the ball and the man are already past them.
-Passing is better and worse- You can do alot of nice little passing in the midfield, the problem is that your defenders can't pass and your forwards can't pass either. It is annoying to see the CPU defenders hit 70 yard through balls off of clearances that always land on the attackers head or chest (after he has pushed your guy our of the way). The missed passes are good IMO, because that is real life. My problem is when the ball just bounces off of your teammates like they don't care. I also still hate that you can't pass the ball in the are 360 degrees, yet the cpu can, and they also drive the ball when they hit it, while your players still float it, annoying.
Deflections- Still a MAJOR problem in the series (90% of deflections go to the CPU). Passing with headers still sucks too, but the CPU can flick a ball to a teammate 30 yards to their left after sprinting to it and stepping around a defender.
Player movement- I personally think that the players are too sluggish, and that the side step move is a but silly (who in real life has the time to step to the side of and then go past a defender. the side step should have been kept like it was with the R2 button). Defenders can barely turn with the ball (even with no one around). Controls can take a few seconds to respond, the 1-2 is the best exampe of this.
Defense- there is still that nagging feeling that sometimes when chasing people or the ball your player always slows down just enough for the cpu to get there first. Something else you may notice is when you are chasing people at an angle, the angle the the cpu automatically puts you on always leads to just behind the person you are chasing and not to their side or in front of (so you have to use the super cancel which is silly). Also, the cpu defenders can reach around your players and nic the ball without fouling you, while you will get call if you try it. Also, the cpu players are always stronger than yours when running shoulder to shoulder (unless it is an Owen vs. Stam situation), your player will stumble and off the CPU goes.

I also have alot of problems with the fix player (but won't mention them because I am probable the only person that does it).
 


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