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Opinions and Thoughts on the FIFA 07 Demo. (Shared)
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Aarfy Aardvark
Youth Team
Why is the keeper so damn slow to get off his line? The moment you see its gone ahead of the defensive line, he takes a proverbial age to reach it - by which point, Ronaldo has slotted it past him.
Plus when the opposing keeper comes off his line, it becomes very, very easy to put one past him. I'm also a bit concerned when and how he races off his line.
I also hope they fix the cut scenes as well. Because they don't match up.
Plus when the opposing keeper comes off his line, it becomes very, very easy to put one past him. I'm also a bit concerned when and how he races off his line.
I also hope they fix the cut scenes as well. Because they don't match up.
O'neill said:No it isnt! I dont think PES is close to real football at all, its just as flawed as Fifa in different ways to Fifa.
Well, thats just what you think, nothing more.
I think any real football fan who plays fifa and PES can see easily that PES is the closest to real football you can get wihtout going on to the pitch yourself.
But then again, thats just what i think too... but there are many thinking like me... and there arent that many thinking that fifa is close to real football.
BTW, in my last fifa07 demo match, there were 4 goals from kepeer rebounds. 4 copies of the same goal. And half the goals scored by the CPU in the demo are like that. Enough for me. Back to PES5 till PES6 comes.
I'll try FIFA07 for the 360 just to see if it really is an all new game like they say.
thisempty said:Well, thats just what you think, nothing more.
I think any real football fan who plays fifa and PES can see easily that PES is the closest to real football you can get wihtout going on to the pitch yourself.
But then again, thats just what i think too... but there are many thinking like me... and there arent that many thinking that fifa is close to real football.
Your correct! Its just what I think, and what you think is just what you think too, nothing more!
chachaldinho
Club Supporter
my initial response was that it is a fair bit harder to score than RTWC/06. You can't use the same dirty tricks (ie, long ball W through wide defences and call on the 2nd striker then beat the keeper 1 on 1). you need a little more creativity to get at goals.
At the same time, it's possible to control the game much more effectively. I was finding i could get 60-70% possession and put a few goals away, while in 06/RTWC i often have trouble getting better than 50%. 07 doesn't seem to have those long spells where the computer doesn't seem to want to bring the ball into the box, but is freakishly keen on the close control so you can't get the ball or break up play without fouling.
the increase in the ways you can "use" the ball is an improvement on 06 - it's nice to have things like hi/lo/ground crosses, the finesse shot (despite it's learning curve), hold A long passing and teammates running to find space rather than just running.
all in all, an improvement (and a decent one at that), but still not the ultimate. perhaps the xbox 360 version will have that extra something to it....
At the same time, it's possible to control the game much more effectively. I was finding i could get 60-70% possession and put a few goals away, while in 06/RTWC i often have trouble getting better than 50%. 07 doesn't seem to have those long spells where the computer doesn't seem to want to bring the ball into the box, but is freakishly keen on the close control so you can't get the ball or break up play without fouling.
the increase in the ways you can "use" the ball is an improvement on 06 - it's nice to have things like hi/lo/ground crosses, the finesse shot (despite it's learning curve), hold A long passing and teammates running to find space rather than just running.
all in all, an improvement (and a decent one at that), but still not the ultimate. perhaps the xbox 360 version will have that extra something to it....
OrgulloVikingo
Senior Squad
I've heard that in the previous Fifa's the game felt scripted with the dribbling and the type of goals that was scored all seemed to be all very similar.
Hehe, that's all you hear? I've been playing EA Fifa, etc since '94 When it was called international soccer. Ignorance is bliss. I thought fifa was great until I played Winning Eleven / PES. No going back since. Everything about fifa was the same. I once scored a goal from in front of my goal all the way down to the other goal at 250 miles an hour. NO KIDDING! 2006 version is the same sh!t. And why do the players run away at 20 mph after they score a goal in celebration. Guys , do the players iceskate in 2007? And is the ball a hockey puck in disguise? I really hope they got their act together finally.
FIFA is for shallow people looking for a free unrealistic thrill :funny:
juanmanuelsanchez
Youth Team
Well here is my review:
1) Graphics: Total crap. I mean the models are not good, lets face it. You can even see that in the legs where there is no uvmaping (makes the leg look brown with shadow).
The faces could be way more better in all aspects.
THe far view even with a good resolution lacks details.
The shaders causes a huge drop down (even with the new version) and thats something you know once you make a private beta test, so ther are no excuses about it.
2) Souds: no complains about it, nice and a lot of variety.
3) Gameplay: well I have some very nice feelings but there are things that totally takes me out of my nerves
a) the D button the one you use to get the ball "nicely" lacks from any animation, it looks like that you get the ball more because of a rebound that from any move that you could try to take it.
b) Player lacks from "urgency" EA has a major flaw on this one, see normally when players are near the goal area if you press you shoot, the player should shoot, not in a very accurated way but he should shoot, now what the player do its to wait to have the ball under control to shoot it, excuse me but thats not real. If you are near the goal and you want to shoot it, you shoot it no matter what, if you control it, you loose it, very simple. This also goes from all kind of gameplays, its just to slow sometimes, football is fast.
c) There is no team mates immersion into the plays, for example Im sick and tired to give a ball and see that the player dosent run to get it, I mean players should look for the ball, not wait for the ball to get where they are. Thats a basic of football. If you go where the ball is you win the position.
c.1) WHY THE HELL your team mates dosent follow the plays? Specially on counter attacks, you know how many goals are loose because no body can shoot the freaking rebound from the goalkeeper? Or even try to create open spaces or create an angle for a pass? COME ON! this are basics in soccer!
d) Whats wrong with the keeper and passing it with the hands? I mean thats just stupid, if I press S to make a pass with the hand the goalkeeper will make a stupid pass, usually to a defender that is way to close to him, and if there was a play normally a player from the other team will be around too. And the ball is given in a very very compromised situation.
1) Graphics: Total crap. I mean the models are not good, lets face it. You can even see that in the legs where there is no uvmaping (makes the leg look brown with shadow).
The faces could be way more better in all aspects.
THe far view even with a good resolution lacks details.
The shaders causes a huge drop down (even with the new version) and thats something you know once you make a private beta test, so ther are no excuses about it.
2) Souds: no complains about it, nice and a lot of variety.
3) Gameplay: well I have some very nice feelings but there are things that totally takes me out of my nerves
a) the D button the one you use to get the ball "nicely" lacks from any animation, it looks like that you get the ball more because of a rebound that from any move that you could try to take it.
b) Player lacks from "urgency" EA has a major flaw on this one, see normally when players are near the goal area if you press you shoot, the player should shoot, not in a very accurated way but he should shoot, now what the player do its to wait to have the ball under control to shoot it, excuse me but thats not real. If you are near the goal and you want to shoot it, you shoot it no matter what, if you control it, you loose it, very simple. This also goes from all kind of gameplays, its just to slow sometimes, football is fast.
c) There is no team mates immersion into the plays, for example Im sick and tired to give a ball and see that the player dosent run to get it, I mean players should look for the ball, not wait for the ball to get where they are. Thats a basic of football. If you go where the ball is you win the position.
c.1) WHY THE HELL your team mates dosent follow the plays? Specially on counter attacks, you know how many goals are loose because no body can shoot the freaking rebound from the goalkeeper? Or even try to create open spaces or create an angle for a pass? COME ON! this are basics in soccer!
d) Whats wrong with the keeper and passing it with the hands? I mean thats just stupid, if I press S to make a pass with the hand the goalkeeper will make a stupid pass, usually to a defender that is way to close to him, and if there was a play normally a player from the other team will be around too. And the ball is given in a very very compromised situation.
memphistopheles
Club Supporter
Ok while i have been a Fifa player for many years (because we can't seem to get Pro Evo for PC in Australia/Perth for some strange reason) i think there are a few problems with the gameplay although i like it overall.
1) I hit the post an abnormal amount of times, i mean if i play the Demo for a half i usually hit the post/bar about 5 times or 1 in 2-3 shots, and it's from all different positions and types of shots
2) The AI keeper is about 5 times better than mine, everytime the AI get through on goal in a 1 on 1 unless they are very wide they score whereas if i get through 1 on 1 the AI keeper saves it every time no matter whether i shoot early or late (i haven't bothered working out chip shot yet but u shouldn't need to chip every time) and i'm doing the same move, come out and stop just before the shot, with my keeper as they do with their's. Also their keeper seems to save more than usual shots from close range
3) The long ball/clearance from defence Physics are ridiculous as is the AI response, i get a long ball straight down the middle and the ball bounces almost straight up and their keeper doesn't come out to grab it unless it reaches almost the 6 yard box. This is so stupid because in real life if you do a long ball unless you hit it abnormally high (by which point defenders would be swarming around the ball) or someone controlled it the ball would bounce onto the keeper. This reminds me of playing in the game where quite often the ball bounces over a players head when their has just been a lofted ball and no-one reached it before the bounce - how many times do you see that in real life
4) Shooting is unrealistic because you seem to shoot low al most all of the time, which i quite like but when you power up a shot you expect to put it in the top corner/half of the goal. Either that or i seem to get a stunning strike which goes just over the bar.
5) Several times now Van Der Saar has thrown his arms up by his sides and not even attempted to save shots which rocket straight by him and just over the bar, there is no way he coulda judged they were going over as one shot even hit the bar yet it almost seemed if he was disinterested in trying to save it.
6) Sometimes your player passes to the opposition when you are clearly holding a different direction for the pass, dunno why just happens every now and then and it's quite annoying
1) I hit the post an abnormal amount of times, i mean if i play the Demo for a half i usually hit the post/bar about 5 times or 1 in 2-3 shots, and it's from all different positions and types of shots
2) The AI keeper is about 5 times better than mine, everytime the AI get through on goal in a 1 on 1 unless they are very wide they score whereas if i get through 1 on 1 the AI keeper saves it every time no matter whether i shoot early or late (i haven't bothered working out chip shot yet but u shouldn't need to chip every time) and i'm doing the same move, come out and stop just before the shot, with my keeper as they do with their's. Also their keeper seems to save more than usual shots from close range
3) The long ball/clearance from defence Physics are ridiculous as is the AI response, i get a long ball straight down the middle and the ball bounces almost straight up and their keeper doesn't come out to grab it unless it reaches almost the 6 yard box. This is so stupid because in real life if you do a long ball unless you hit it abnormally high (by which point defenders would be swarming around the ball) or someone controlled it the ball would bounce onto the keeper. This reminds me of playing in the game where quite often the ball bounces over a players head when their has just been a lofted ball and no-one reached it before the bounce - how many times do you see that in real life
4) Shooting is unrealistic because you seem to shoot low al most all of the time, which i quite like but when you power up a shot you expect to put it in the top corner/half of the goal. Either that or i seem to get a stunning strike which goes just over the bar.
5) Several times now Van Der Saar has thrown his arms up by his sides and not even attempted to save shots which rocket straight by him and just over the bar, there is no way he coulda judged they were going over as one shot even hit the bar yet it almost seemed if he was disinterested in trying to save it.
6) Sometimes your player passes to the opposition when you are clearly holding a different direction for the pass, dunno why just happens every now and then and it's quite annoying
Well to say i am an avid pes player, i have to say i am pretty impressed with what i have seen on the new fifa 07 demo. I do like the ball movement,and i think the faces are some of the best i have seen.
Saying that though i still think the faces are slightly plastic looking. I like the way some of the AI players take the odd snap shot.
I struggled with the controls a little,but after changing them to the pro 5 controls and using the ps2 pad it seemed better. One thing i thought was pretty awful was the players first touch, i generally allways lost posession of the ball, but maybe it was just me i don't know. All in all though i think Ea sports have done good this time around and that pes vs fifa debate is getting closer and closer.
Offcourse we still have pro 6/we10 to come, this is a good time for soccer games.
Saying that though i still think the faces are slightly plastic looking. I like the way some of the AI players take the odd snap shot.
I struggled with the controls a little,but after changing them to the pro 5 controls and using the ps2 pad it seemed better. One thing i thought was pretty awful was the players first touch, i generally allways lost posession of the ball, but maybe it was just me i don't know. All in all though i think Ea sports have done good this time around and that pes vs fifa debate is getting closer and closer.
Offcourse we still have pro 6/we10 to come, this is a good time for soccer games.
Ive been won over totally
I have stopped playing WE9. Cant wait till next week Fifa 07 is released. Wont put it down unless PES6 is better than 5****e and if I prefer that to this.
Still some things Id like improved eg, get a yard past the defender and he gives up and your free to do what you like. Some other things but that is glaring. Dont really care about some other things people are complaining about eg faces, graphics blah, blah. I just hate frustrating and unresponsive gameplay.
I have stopped playing WE9. Cant wait till next week Fifa 07 is released. Wont put it down unless PES6 is better than 5****e and if I prefer that to this.
Still some things Id like improved eg, get a yard past the defender and he gives up and your free to do what you like. Some other things but that is glaring. Dont really care about some other things people are complaining about eg faces, graphics blah, blah. I just hate frustrating and unresponsive gameplay.
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
Yeah I can deal with graphics. If only we had the modding community of PES though.
I feel its to easy to score , when I play PES I play for a total of 15mins 7 1/2 mins each way or in FIFA07 15mins one way ... I played as Lyon v Man Utd on World Class setting game ended 5-5 .. I am sure after a lot of goes at this , Im used to the PES controls , I could score more .. My keeper as one of the above posters mentioned when 1 on 1 most times against Man Utd it would be a goal, the call keeper button is poor as the keeper moves slowly off his line and does not rush out. VanDerSar for Man Utd I'll give EA this, was outstanding from shot outside the box even some 1v1's in WC , but I still scored 5 ..
The_Knight
Senior Squad
That's exactly what I'm talking about... I'm used to PES controls, have trouble switching between players... haven't figured out yet the Fifa scoring tactics... and haven't used the "Player Run" key at all... and even though, I managed to score 3 goals at my first go at Fifa07 (in one half)... That's what I mean by no sense of accomplishment, and the fact it's a much less challenging title... Imagine how things would be after a week when all the "goal shortcuts" are figured out... That's why Konami chooses to release its demo a considerable time after Fifa's demo release... to by-pass the initial overexcitement.
OrgulloVikingo
Senior Squad
I have stopped playing WE9. Cant wait till next week Fifa 07 is released. Wont put it down unless PES6 is better than 5****e and if I prefer that to this.
Dude, you have no idea about football. Have you ever played football? Real fotball, not videogame? Watch real football? It is so obvious, that fifa is light years behind in all aspects except sound. Perhaps WE is too hard for you? I notice all the people I know that don't like WE are terrible players who don't have interest to learn the game and want the computer to make all the decisions for them. Kind of like Americans...lazy and stoopid.
OrgulloVikingo
Senior Squad
Apology + correction......
Like most Americans.
Like most Americans.
Youri Bakker
Senior Squad
juanmanuelsanchez said:Well here is my review:
1) Graphics: Total crap. I mean the models are not good, lets face it. You can even see that in the legs where there is no uvmaping (makes the leg look brown with shadow).
The faces could be way more better in all aspects.
THe far view even with a good resolution lacks details.
The shaders causes a huge drop down (even with the new version) and thats something you know once you make a private beta test, so ther are no excuses about it.
2) Souds: no complains about it, nice and a lot of variety.
3) Gameplay: well I have some very nice feelings but there are things that totally takes me out of my nerves
a) the D button the one you use to get the ball "nicely" lacks from any animation, it looks like that you get the ball more because of a rebound that from any move that you could try to take it.
b) Player lacks from "urgency" EA has a major flaw on this one, see normally when players are near the goal area if you press you shoot, the player should shoot, not in a very accurated way but he should shoot, now what the player do its to wait to have the ball under control to shoot it, excuse me but thats not real. If you are near the goal and you want to shoot it, you shoot it no matter what, if you control it, you loose it, very simple. This also goes from all kind of gameplays, its just to slow sometimes, football is fast.
c) There is no team mates immersion into the plays, for example Im sick and tired to give a ball and see that the player dosent run to get it, I mean players should look for the ball, not wait for the ball to get where they are. Thats a basic of football. If you go where the ball is you win the position.
c.1) WHY THE HELL your team mates dosent follow the plays? Specially on counter attacks, you know how many goals are loose because no body can shoot the freaking rebound from the goalkeeper? Or even try to create open spaces or create an angle for a pass? COME ON! this are basics in soccer!
d) Whats wrong with the keeper and passing it with the hands? I mean thats just stupid, if I press S to make a pass with the hand the goalkeeper will make a stupid pass, usually to a defender that is way to close to him, and if there was a play normally a player from the other team will be around too. And the ball is given in a very very compromised situation.
You have to hold the 's' button longer to make the goalkeeper trow the ball further.
OrgulloVikingo said:Dude, you have no idea about football. Have you ever played football? Real fotball, not videogame? Watch real football? It is so obvious, that fifa is light years behind in all aspects except sound. Perhaps WE is too hard for you? I notice all the people I know that don't like WE are terrible players who don't have interest to learn the game and want the computer to make all the decisions for them. Kind of like Americans...lazy and stoopid.
Dont you dare!
I am here because I make my own decisions and wont be influenced by others opinions.
How dare you belittle the choices I make as inferior to your choice making!
Did I try to influence yours or belittle?
Are you grown up yet?
Actually, I would wager that you have played no where near as much football as me. Its one of the biggest loves in my life, and though I have never won cups or leagues, I have won awards for being my teams most valuable player over a season. I would never take it as my given though to try to tell anyone that their choice of a football video game is inferior to mine because Ive played how many hundreds of games.
Considering that the 2 best games of the genre is flawed and doesnt seem to represent that game that I love to play (that is my opinion). How can you argue that one is closer to real football when there is no use of my legs or head. Its not like a driving sim where you can have steering wheels and pedals and actually feel involved in some aspect of the reality. Its a clumsy interface of joypad or keyboard, not getting you to be the football player as the wheel and pedals lets you be the racing driver. But trying to influence the complicated movements of the footballer. Its more like watching a football game and being able to influence it. So how can we start to say 'this or that one is closest'. to what is real that we play. You are more watching it than playing. So just put down the controller and let the CPU play CPU. Do you still feel its the closest thing to playing real football?
When I play PES, I play a thru ball to my forward who should easily now be one on one with the keeper. But he stops the ball and pauses (even if he is Ronaldo) before the computer lets him use the next set of instructions (which is to turn in one fluid movement and be away) and he has been dispossed by the defender with an unreal turn of speed.
In real football I have turned in one fluid movement and I'm away, and the defender has no unrealistic turn of speed, and Ive also seen Ronaldo in action like this but looking more gracefull than me.
I cant argue that either of these games are anything like real football and cant see me ever argueing that one is closer than another. All I can say is I prefer this one or that one and I should reasonably expect that to be respected and not belittled.