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Opinions and Thoughts on the FIFA 07 Demo. (Shared)
- Thread starter sa33ood
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I played the demo quite a bit, here's my opinion:
EA are making the game more and more similar to pes. In many ways that's good, because pes is so good. On the other hand they could've tried to make something a bit different, but in a smart way, for example a different way of taking free kicks (not that silly mini game they had in the previous fifas though).
Graphically the game is horrible, it looks circa 2003, if not 2002; it's not that I'm graphics prostitute, but this is a bit too much. At least players have different heights now. Animations are generally good.
Some more technical comments:
The physics model is ok, but some problems are noticable - for example the posts/bar feel made of rubber. The ball doesn't bounce off of them realistically. Furthermore, they are too easy to hit. The goalies often block the ball in such a way that it bounces very softly back in the area for an easy tap in. A disproportionate amount of my goals were tap-ins.
The ball bends too much. For example, it's very easy to score directly from a corner.
Free kicks are now copied completely from pes. However, the walls are no good. It's very stupid, really. From ~25 meters out, the walls are something like 4 men - and because of the exaggerated bending, it's very easy to bend the ball around the wall, which of course makes renders it useless.
Passing is nice, with new animations and all, but is too accurate and has the 'pinball' feel to it.
The driblling model is ok, though I feel the special moves are a bit hard to pull off and not very useful.
Shooting/goalkeeping is better than in the previous edition... The shots still feel a bit too powerful. The goalkeeper often has insane reflexes and manages to dive and save shots from 3-4 meters out. But getting a good goalkeeper is hard in a soccer game anyway.
Penalties are kinda cool, I like how it is possible to chip penalties ala Totti.
On the overall, I don't see where EA are going with this. The engine is no good. By now it is too old. The graphics and the physics are not good enough. The game needs a complete revision, from scratch. EA should make a brand new engine. The problem is, of course, that such an effort might take more than an year, and EA can't possibly afford to *gasp* not release a fifa for a while calendar year!
Also, the way fifa is copying pes is becoming extreme. The whole controls scheme is approaching pes's. Fifa now even has the dummy shot move (shoot, then pass). Set pieces are like in pes, the dribbling is reminiscent of pes... Is that really the way EA wanna go?
As I mentioned before, I think the best move for EA would be to make a brand new engine, give it the newest graphical goodies, and develop a great physical model. The developers should be given enough time to finish their work, and not forced to release something during the next September. But I doubt that'll happen.
On the overall, yeah this game is ok, it's better than the previous Fifas, I could rate it 7 or 8, but in the end, pes is still way to go.
EA are making the game more and more similar to pes. In many ways that's good, because pes is so good. On the other hand they could've tried to make something a bit different, but in a smart way, for example a different way of taking free kicks (not that silly mini game they had in the previous fifas though).
Graphically the game is horrible, it looks circa 2003, if not 2002; it's not that I'm graphics prostitute, but this is a bit too much. At least players have different heights now. Animations are generally good.
Some more technical comments:
The physics model is ok, but some problems are noticable - for example the posts/bar feel made of rubber. The ball doesn't bounce off of them realistically. Furthermore, they are too easy to hit. The goalies often block the ball in such a way that it bounces very softly back in the area for an easy tap in. A disproportionate amount of my goals were tap-ins.
The ball bends too much. For example, it's very easy to score directly from a corner.
Free kicks are now copied completely from pes. However, the walls are no good. It's very stupid, really. From ~25 meters out, the walls are something like 4 men - and because of the exaggerated bending, it's very easy to bend the ball around the wall, which of course makes renders it useless.
Passing is nice, with new animations and all, but is too accurate and has the 'pinball' feel to it.
The driblling model is ok, though I feel the special moves are a bit hard to pull off and not very useful.
Shooting/goalkeeping is better than in the previous edition... The shots still feel a bit too powerful. The goalkeeper often has insane reflexes and manages to dive and save shots from 3-4 meters out. But getting a good goalkeeper is hard in a soccer game anyway.
Penalties are kinda cool, I like how it is possible to chip penalties ala Totti.
On the overall, I don't see where EA are going with this. The engine is no good. By now it is too old. The graphics and the physics are not good enough. The game needs a complete revision, from scratch. EA should make a brand new engine. The problem is, of course, that such an effort might take more than an year, and EA can't possibly afford to *gasp* not release a fifa for a while calendar year!
Also, the way fifa is copying pes is becoming extreme. The whole controls scheme is approaching pes's. Fifa now even has the dummy shot move (shoot, then pass). Set pieces are like in pes, the dribbling is reminiscent of pes... Is that really the way EA wanna go?
As I mentioned before, I think the best move for EA would be to make a brand new engine, give it the newest graphical goodies, and develop a great physical model. The developers should be given enough time to finish their work, and not forced to release something during the next September. But I doubt that'll happen.
On the overall, yeah this game is ok, it's better than the previous Fifas, I could rate it 7 or 8, but in the end, pes is still way to go.
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
^^Good review.
Ash_Clarke
Youth Team
I heard that Microsoft paid EA not to release a next-gen FIFA until 2007 so the next-gen version of the game could shine on the xbox 360. We can most likely expect a new next-gen FIFA in oct 2007...... I hope.
Also, I noticed that players seem to move their arms and legs too much when sprinting and yet they still don't get anywhere.
If there are people with high-end nvidia gfx cards (sorry don't know how to do it on ATI cards) and want to improve the graphics of your FIFA 07 demo then follow this:
(Copied from the post in the linked thread in my sig)
I have found a new thing to enhance your FIFA 06 experiences, although I can only offer it to NVidia users as I have never used an ATI card and do not know the equivalent.
I have found that there is an option
(from right clicking on the desktop > properties > settings tab > advanced button > Geforce 6600gt (in my case) > Performance and Quality Settings)
to create a custom profile for FIFA 07 by clicking 'Add...'
You can then browse for your Fifa07 demo exe file in its correct directory and give the profile a name.
After doing this you can change the Anti-aliasing and ansiotropic filtering options (as well as a few others, but i kept the defaults for those)
(You might have to select the advanced settings option somewhere to get the extra settings)
Uncheck Application Controlled for both (as you cannot set them in the actual FIFA 07 game)
And then set the level you wish depending on the power of your gfx card. I managed to have full 8x AA and 16x ansio filtering without any huge loss in performance.
Oh lastly I set Image Quality to High Quality and force mipmaps to Trilinear. Triple buffering was also on.
I then ran FIFA 07 and was impressed by the added well, Image quality and gfx smoothness.
The gfx smoothness refers to the edges of objects (no jagged lines) and by the way, framerates will depend on the camera you play with. Some of the close up cameras dislike these settings and you will prob experience slowdowns. I have experienced slowdowns, but only in replays, cinematics.. but i skip them anyway.
Also, I noticed that players seem to move their arms and legs too much when sprinting and yet they still don't get anywhere.
If there are people with high-end nvidia gfx cards (sorry don't know how to do it on ATI cards) and want to improve the graphics of your FIFA 07 demo then follow this:
(Copied from the post in the linked thread in my sig)
I have found a new thing to enhance your FIFA 06 experiences, although I can only offer it to NVidia users as I have never used an ATI card and do not know the equivalent.
I have found that there is an option
(from right clicking on the desktop > properties > settings tab > advanced button > Geforce 6600gt (in my case) > Performance and Quality Settings)
to create a custom profile for FIFA 07 by clicking 'Add...'
You can then browse for your Fifa07 demo exe file in its correct directory and give the profile a name.
After doing this you can change the Anti-aliasing and ansiotropic filtering options (as well as a few others, but i kept the defaults for those)
(You might have to select the advanced settings option somewhere to get the extra settings)
Uncheck Application Controlled for both (as you cannot set them in the actual FIFA 07 game)
And then set the level you wish depending on the power of your gfx card. I managed to have full 8x AA and 16x ansio filtering without any huge loss in performance.
Oh lastly I set Image Quality to High Quality and force mipmaps to Trilinear. Triple buffering was also on.
I then ran FIFA 07 and was impressed by the added well, Image quality and gfx smoothness.
The gfx smoothness refers to the edges of objects (no jagged lines) and by the way, framerates will depend on the camera you play with. Some of the close up cameras dislike these settings and you will prob experience slowdowns. I have experienced slowdowns, but only in replays, cinematics.. but i skip them anyway.
spursforever
Club Supporter
What about demo for Xbox 360. Cannot find on live, is it out or is it not ?
Ash_Clarke
Youth Team
Probably not out yet. I guess it'd take a lot more work for a next gen version and they're still workin on it.
They look good to me
Ash_Clarke
Youth Team
You have just proved that they suck.... look at the elbows and the knees.
Compared to the xbox 360 these do suck. You know what a pc can do, see: half-life 2, prey, etc. Even HL2 looks better and that uses a 3 yr old or so engine. EA seem to use a gfx engine for FIFA that's 6 years old.
What the general point is here is that we want "next-gen" gfx now. I'm tired of seeing the same engine. And I hate microsoft for paying them not to make the pc version next gen.
lol.
Edit: Also look at the hair and the constant use of low res textures for faces.
Compared to the xbox 360 these do suck. You know what a pc can do, see: half-life 2, prey, etc. Even HL2 looks better and that uses a 3 yr old or so engine. EA seem to use a gfx engine for FIFA that's 6 years old.
What the general point is here is that we want "next-gen" gfx now. I'm tired of seeing the same engine. And I hate microsoft for paying them not to make the pc version next gen.
lol.Edit: Also look at the hair and the constant use of low res textures for faces.
Maybe so but one thing you can't do with your precious Xbox and that is importing stuff into the game like 2gk kits, boots, ads, faces,balls and so on so you have to keep watching games with EA balls and boots yackkkk terrible and not realistic at all. And the kits suck on PC and they suck just as much on Xbox unless you can make it more real with 2gk.
Who cares about elbows and knees :funny:
Who cares about elbows and knees :funny:
kolleberga
Club Supporter
My opinion
( sorry for my bad english)
Gameplay: 7
When i first started playing the fifa 07 demo i was very enthousiastic about the gameplay but the more i play the more negative things i see. Still i have quite some positive points.
Positive :
- physical contact
- new tricks
- new shooting options
- goalkeepers moving more realistic
- easier to score from close
- better positioning from defence and offense
Negative:
- PC AI not realistic, In offence the try allot of long high balls in the center and there not trying combination and build up play as in real life. Its to predictable.
- PC is not trying a lot of tricks. Not even Ronaldinho who is known for taking on defenders is beeing to nice for me even on worldclass.
-Defenders of PC sometimes respond to dramaticly on moves i make so its to easy for me to score or there not responding at all.
-No cards are giving for holding , not even when its players that has broken trough.
-i think it will be 2 easy. I also had this problem in world cup 06 where i couldnt use the highest level that i unlocked in tournaments but only in friendlies so i hope it will be possible now because i win all my world class matches
So the main problem in the gameplay for me is really the way the Computer plays.
Graphics: 6
Positive:
-The pitch in my opinion got better since fifa world cup 06.
-Some nice cinematics ( not the quality of it ) Like in the stadiumtunnel and after missing a chance
Negative:
-Still the same bad crowds
-Bad knees and elbows
-Kits dont look any better and even kitmakers in the forum make nicer ones so why doesnt EA do it??
-Faces seem quite the same
So not really good on graphics
Sound: 7
Cant really make a positive and negative list about it. I think the commentary is ok but sometimes the commentators say the wrong things.
Futher the sounds of the crowd isnt always correct but i like the teamchants
I cant say more of this game cause we only had the demo but i think it wont be a great step forward. Some things in the gameplay like the shooting and the physical contact are really nice and of course in the full version there will be other things like making youre own team. So i do believe in some parts they have made great improvements but in others failed
I will be enjoying myself with this game for some months and im happy for all the patches but im also a bitt dissapointed with EA. Maybe the need to talk with some other gamedesigners about making nice graphics!!!
My overall fifa 07 demo mark: 6.8
( sorry for my bad english)
Gameplay: 7
When i first started playing the fifa 07 demo i was very enthousiastic about the gameplay but the more i play the more negative things i see. Still i have quite some positive points.
Positive :
- physical contact
- new tricks
- new shooting options
- goalkeepers moving more realistic
- easier to score from close
- better positioning from defence and offense
Negative:
- PC AI not realistic, In offence the try allot of long high balls in the center and there not trying combination and build up play as in real life. Its to predictable.
- PC is not trying a lot of tricks. Not even Ronaldinho who is known for taking on defenders is beeing to nice for me even on worldclass.
-Defenders of PC sometimes respond to dramaticly on moves i make so its to easy for me to score or there not responding at all.
-No cards are giving for holding , not even when its players that has broken trough.
-i think it will be 2 easy. I also had this problem in world cup 06 where i couldnt use the highest level that i unlocked in tournaments but only in friendlies so i hope it will be possible now because i win all my world class matches
So the main problem in the gameplay for me is really the way the Computer plays.
Graphics: 6
Positive:
-The pitch in my opinion got better since fifa world cup 06.
-Some nice cinematics ( not the quality of it ) Like in the stadiumtunnel and after missing a chance
Negative:
-Still the same bad crowds
-Bad knees and elbows
-Kits dont look any better and even kitmakers in the forum make nicer ones so why doesnt EA do it??
-Faces seem quite the same
So not really good on graphics
Sound: 7
Cant really make a positive and negative list about it. I think the commentary is ok but sometimes the commentators say the wrong things.
Futher the sounds of the crowd isnt always correct but i like the teamchants
I cant say more of this game cause we only had the demo but i think it wont be a great step forward. Some things in the gameplay like the shooting and the physical contact are really nice and of course in the full version there will be other things like making youre own team. So i do believe in some parts they have made great improvements but in others failed
I will be enjoying myself with this game for some months and im happy for all the patches but im also a bitt dissapointed with EA. Maybe the need to talk with some other gamedesigners about making nice graphics!!!
My overall fifa 07 demo mark: 6.8
Ash_Clarke
Youth Team
Silencer said:
I'm afraid that unfortunately you are the kind of person that help EA feel a lot less guilty for releasing the same crap every year with a few tweaks here and there.
Saying that shows that you like to discourage the advance of realism within the game. I don't know anybody around my way that looks like that, or even in any other games produced this year, so why should FIFA still be released with unrealistic looking players.
I wouldn't be surprised if you voted 10 on the poll. I apologise, but anyone who voted over 7 needs to have another look at the PC games market.
