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[ssj4karan]

Ok guys, here's the low-down for shooting in WE5. You'll have a choice of 5 mechanics;

Legend
Advanced
Intermediate
Original EA replica
WE3 mechanic


Speaks for itself.
NK.

Cool...I like it

Cant wait for WE 5!!!

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

NK, your latest build, 4.5 is very good! However, could you tune the goal keepers a bit as too many times did my keepers let in cheesy weak headers. They hardly even reacted, they just let the balls go in.

I am well aware of this bug and it will be fixed.

Thank you,
NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Here it is! the latest beta. WE5 beta1.0 (a.k.a WE4.5beta to not cause confusion).

In this beta you have the EA original shooting as your shot mechanic. I'm saving my own mechanics for later testing as they do require more tuning.

However, this is a total copy and paste of the shot mechanic. But since my ball physics are newer, the values of mechanic from EA's original may conflict with my physics, so any problems let me know. Technically though it should be 100% accurate.

CPU has been updated along with passing. You'll have a sense of freedom.

Tip: Don't press/hold tackle instantly when CPU has ball or the delay factor of skill and marking 'may' get the better of you and they'll simply do a skill move and get past you. So you really have to time the challenge, you could also foul them if you're not careful.

I believe this to be the best yet, especially since many requested the original EA mechanic and in WE5 final, you'll have that option

I know you love me, right?

Click here to download WE5beta1.0

Best guys,
NK.

 

[Tizmo]

Thank you so much!

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

I await your feedback

 

[cosminnfs]

Well I have been out of town for 3 days so I haven't been around but i have the pleasure to give you the first feedback. I played on pro.
The first thing that I immediately noticed it that I don't know... but I think you set this value to 100 which is max cause the CPU players always and i mean ALWAYS know where you are gonna go. It's like they are sitting in front of you not moving just sitting there like a statue and you try every dribble you know to get the ball past them but they just stick a foot out and they knock the ball of you. It's very...i don't know... it makes you feel small and weak. There should be a delay before that defender can react to the dribble cause they don't have like super-human reflexes. In this version the feel of the tackling is not right. It feels more like the pitch is actually concrete where you have maximum traction, it dosen't have that grass feel where you can occasionally slip, or you know...the whole ballance thing when you do a stepover and the defender looses ballance and he gets flat-footed. In this version they're superhuman at this. That's why i lost my first game with this gameplay cause when i got the ball I could pass the ball but there were moments where I had to dribble but every single time I failed so pleeeease fix this.
Also the passes are still too slow, sometimes they kickthe ball like they haven't eaten for the whole day.
And i've also seen that the "wall" issue got solved although not 100% but more like 80% so it's excellent. Good work mate. But i still see that three players come and make you like a sandwhich so you can't move and I also saw the desperation that the CPU has when defending. I saw Robinho who is like a striker, he was all the way back in the defense line!
And I also seen that the player ratings for certain stuff like sprint speed have been sadly again "screwed up" cause I was with messi who has sprint speed 97 and I was catched up by substitute defender.
And one more thing it seems that the A+Q cross is waaay too powerfull. You could shoot directly from a goal to another So make it like it was before. It was perfect.
So this is about it, although it seems like alot but trust me this update is almost in it's final stages. I'm so excited! Can't wait.

 

[B9Goal]

NK IS The Count Of Monte Cristo

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Well I have been out of town for 3 days so I haven't been around but i have the pleasure to give you the first feedback. I played on pro.
The first thing that I immediately noticed it that I don't know... but I think you set this value to 100 which is max cause the CPU players always and i mean ALWAYS know where you are gonna go. It's like they are sitting in front of you not moving just sitting there like a statue and you try every dribble you know to get the ball past them but they just stick a foot out and they knock the ball of you. It's very...i don't know... it makes you feel small and weak. There should be a delay before that defender can react to the dribble cause they don't have like super-human reflexes. In this version the feel of the tackling is not right. It feels more like the pitch is actually concrete where you have maximum traction, it dosen't have that grass feel where you can occasionally slip, or you know...the whole ballance thing when you do a stepover and the defender looses ballance and he gets flat-footed. In this version they're superhuman at this. That's why i lost my first game with this gameplay cause when i got the ball I could pass the ball but there were moments where I had to dribble but every single time I failed so pleeeease fix this.
Also the passes are still too slow, sometimes they kickthe ball like they haven't eaten for the whole day.
And i've also seen that the "wall" issue got solved although not 100% but more like 80% so it's excellent. Good work mate. But i still see that three players come and make you like a sandwhich so you can't move and I also saw the desperation that the CPU has when defending. I saw Robinho who is like a striker, he was all the way back in the defense line!
And I also seen that the player ratings for certain stuff like sprint speed have been sadly again "screwed up" cause I was with messi who has sprint speed 97 and I was catched up by substitute defender.
And one more thing it seems that the A+Q cross is waaay too powerfull. You could shoot directly from a goal to another So make it like it was before. It was perfect.
So this is about it, although it seems like alot but trust me this update is almost in it's final stages. I'm so excited! Can't wait.

I have to say I am shocked of your comments on dribbling!! I use a joypad and find it quite exciting to out-class defenders. I have no problem on world class beating them when they jockey me. Perhaps this is a keyboard issue, the flexability of a joypad is superior! It's a shame really cause it makes me feel like you can't enjoy it fully.

Not every pass can be a powerful 100% perfect pass, you HAVE to understand this. Otherwise you'll have a 100% passing rate! That's not realism. I can however tweak it to add a little more power, but nothing stupid. I'm not wanting a game where once you've got the ball, IT'S YOURS TIL YOU SCORE!:mexican: I know what you mean, but the main realistic error on a pass is when you turn and pass too quickly, like in real life you can mess up the pass, unless you take your time. I am yet to notice this passing issue myself.

Play on semi-pro for Marking for now. The cpu will make more mistakes marking your players'. I made sure of it. I think you need to get better at dribbling, since your passing game sounds pretty much on the ball. Again, this might be a keyboard thing. And believe me there's a delay for defenders, A HUGE DELAY! Original EA gameplay had delays and you couldn't fully tell. It's gone from a delay of round 11 to 60+!! Tell me you can't beat a defender now? lol, go and practice bro. It's do'able!!! If you still have problems after practice, I'll see what I can do. But i am personally beating defenders all the time, so maybe it's a joypad thing? I don't know.

However, this is great feedback and you can put money on it that I'll be making sure this doesn't go unnoticed in the next build. I'll do what I can buddy.


edit: just tested out the keyboard Q+A pass, certainly couldn't hit it from one goal to the other. In fact most pro players' can hit the ball that far, if not further. So I don't see an issue here. Let's see if anyone else mentions this with perhaps more depth

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

NK IS The Count Of Monte Cristo

lol!


NK.

 

[joflizn]

For keyboard gamers like me:
- you should forget these right-and-left diagonal shots we've always used to score with EA default gp and other gps in general (except NK's one). NK dares to totally reinvent the shot mechanic and as a result he offers a complete new approach of our playing style. Since WE releases, it's more natural, physics related and you don't have to always direct the shot. just feel the player moves, does he shoot on his preferred foot? is he well balanced? is he sprinting or staying on his position? and many others details you have to discover by youself. I understand that some keyboard gamers here can get frustrated shooting the ball to the corner flag when facing the gk on 1 on 1. But it's part of the difficulty enhancement and remember: TRAINING is the key. Once you get it, excitement on scoring a goal is much better.

For NK: don't really have time to play since WE4 due to job duties but can't wait for the WE5 final release as it seems really promising regarding to all those feedbacks. Take care mate and thanks for this incredible work.

 

[ssj4karan]

Hi i installed the WE 5 Beta version patch and straight away played my first match.It was a 6 mins match between france and spain in World class difficulty and trashed the opponents 5-2.To be frank it should have been 9-4 but some silly stuffs prevented it from happening.

Anyways i am impressed with the patch and its shaping up to be really good.

THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN MY OPINION:

The one thing i would like you to do is reduce the sensitivity of players..They move too freely so just a slight adjustment needed...Make the passing a bit less sensitive as i am not able to make those real close passes plus the players dont seem to move to take a pass and i had told you to solve that problem..Hope you do it.

I guess thats it for now..Will let you know more but this is by far the best patch for the game..Keep up the good work.N i am using a joypad that is not fully compatible with the game because of which i am not able to use any tricks and i am not able to set the control type to new and also i am not able to increase the player indicator level so can you do something about it such that i am able to use both those options?

Thanx in advance!!!

EDIT:

Just played my second match-England[me] vs Brazil World class difficulty in 6 mins.

The patch is so easy..I trashed them 8-0.I was 8-0 up in the 55th min but then some offsides and stupid moves by me prevented me from increasing my lead and rooney scored 6 goals.All that was needed was some well timed through balls and early crosses and the early cross system is very good..I liked it but the meter flies real fast..Mind reducing it a bit

So i guess you know what you have to do in addition with the next update.

I am not bragging or anything just giving you my feed-back.Hope it helped.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Hi i installed the WE 5 Beta version patch and straight away played my first match.It was a 6 mins match between france and spain in World class difficulty and trashed the opponents 5-2.To be frank it should have been 9-4 but some silly stuffs prevented it from happening.

Anyways i am impressed with the patch and its shaping up to be really good.

THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN MY OPINION:

The one thing i would like you to do is reduce the sensitivity of players..They move too freely so just a slight adjustment needed...Make the passing a bit less sensitive as i am not able to make those real close passes plus the players dont seem to move to take a pass and i had told you to solve that problem..Hope you do it.

I guess thats it for now..Will let you know more but this is by far the best patch for the game..Keep up the good work.N i am using a joypad that is not fully compatible with the game because of which i am not able to use any tricks and i am not able to set the control type to new and also i am not able to increase the player indicator level so can you do something about it such that i am able to use both those options?

Thanx in advance!!!

EDIT:

Just played my second match-England[me] vs Brazil World class difficulty in 6 mins.

The patch is so easy..I trashed them 8-0.I was 8-0 up in the 55th min but then some offsides and stupid moves by me prevented me from increasing my lead and rooney scored 6 goals.All that was needed was some well timed through balls and early crosses and the early cross system is very good..I liked it but the meter flies real fast..Mind reducing it a bit

So i guess you know what you have to do in addition with the next update.

I am not bragging or anything just giving you my feed-back.Hope it helped.

1) You move the player to the ball yourself from a pass, it's stated in EA loading screens.

2) I can't help you if your pad isn't compatible, sorry mate.

3) Original EA shooting is too easy yes, my 'Legend' shooting will make it more balanced.

4) I will be working on CPU defence and attack

Thank you,
NK.

 

[ssj4karan]

I do try to move the player towards the ball but he just stands there like a statue and waits for the opponent to take the ball before the ball reaches him.

N can you tell me why am i not able to select the new gameplay option and set the player indicator full.

Plus is there any patch that unlocks legendary difficulty?

 

[jackbauer]

NK,

I downloaded and used 4.5 last night and immediately went back to 4.4. The default shooting mechanic is ridiculously easy. Additionally, the overall speed of the game is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too fast. I felt like I was watching a very quick gome of tennis or a pinball game.

Thanks.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

NK,

I downloaded and used 4.5 last night and immediately went back to 4.4. The default shooting mechanic is ridiculously easy. Additionally, the overall speed of the game is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too fast. I felt like I was watching a very quick gome of tennis or a pinball game.

Thanks.

Yup shot mechanic is really easy and this is why in the final you have a choice of 5 so gamers like us can select 'Legend' shot mechanic and feel pressure.

Also, the game-speed will be sorted. I'm taking back the fight for challenge and realism! I'll keep in certain requests, but I'm thinking 'challenge' now. I've got more realism in there. If people want 100% Sim, you need to get out and play the sport. Got to remember I'm not making a game, simply editing an already dated engine. This is a video-game, not everything will be realistic!!

NK.

 

[ssj4karan]

Please in your quest of realism dont make the game like PES.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Please in your quest of realism dont make the game like PES.

I don't aim to replicate any other sports video-game

I want to get the best out of FIFA! Not immitate another game. However, the 'Legend' shot mechanic will be similar to PES in terms of difficulty.

The one I'm tuning right now is Advanced and the CPU scored 3 great goals against me.

Also, you'll be happy to know the CPU are more aggressive in defence, so no sissy passes. I'm sick of breaking through the defence because it 'looked' realistic. I do it too often. I can have it realistic, but people need to realise that they can't get a stick up their ar$e everytime one of their passes doesn't connect, cause that's football! And it's entertainment!:corn:

No one likes winning 5-0 everytime, even if they enjoyed the first few games sooner or later they stop playing from bordem. If I make it too challenging, sooner or later you give up from frustration. So it's give and take. this beta-testing is really great, so thanks you guys you're doing a brill job cause the feedback has been good and allows me to progress much quicker. the result IS a more realistic game, but now it's getting that aggression back in there, subtle enough not to look like a frenzy, or as been put before 'bullying'

Ball physics are now slower paced and passes are more realistic with bounce and speed. They bobble and don't bounce too high. But physics look more natural. This will be tuned however.

NK.

 

[ssj4karan]

Sound's Good..How about another beta version?

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Sound's Good..How about another beta version?

Yes, they'll be a new one released in a day.

NK.

 

[ssj4karan]

Cool...But i seriously think you should reduce the players movement sensitivity cause sometimes they just start rotating and especially after missing a tackle,I have no control over them...So can you do anything about that?