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Middle East war
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Virgo
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Rob, you think that if a random group of people from New Zealand kidnapped 2 australian soldiers that would give Australia the right to bomb their airport and freeways and other public structures?
And don't even try to give me the Hezbollah controls the government in Lebanon crap because that's just a lie. They have a political party that's even not the same factions that run the militias, and even so they have under 10% of total public vote and therefore they have little or no strenght in the parliament.
I am so f*cking sick of seeing your kind of arguments like oh a random suicide bomber blew a bus so Israel has the right to defend themselves... right by blowing up whole neighborhoods where people who have absolutely nothing to do with it live and throwing missiles and killing whole families at the beach.
I'd like to know how is this different from the terrorists that bomb innocent people in Israel? Please explain to me because I've thought about this over and over and if anything it's worse because Israel are supposed to be a developed free country, not a third world militarist theocracy.
And don't even try to give me the Hezbollah controls the government in Lebanon crap because that's just a lie. They have a political party that's even not the same factions that run the militias, and even so they have under 10% of total public vote and therefore they have little or no strenght in the parliament.
I am so f*cking sick of seeing your kind of arguments like oh a random suicide bomber blew a bus so Israel has the right to defend themselves... right by blowing up whole neighborhoods where people who have absolutely nothing to do with it live and throwing missiles and killing whole families at the beach.
I'd like to know how is this different from the terrorists that bomb innocent people in Israel? Please explain to me because I've thought about this over and over and if anything it's worse because Israel are supposed to be a developed free country, not a third world militarist theocracy.
Israel over react once again.
Great Britain were fighting the IRA for decades. there were soldiers and civilians killed both in Ireland and on mainland Britain. Shootings, pub bombings, car bombs in streets and shopping centers. All the usual stuff. Now I would never defend Britains part in all of this regarding any reactions, sanctioned by successive governments, but one thing is certain, Britain never indiscriminately shelled or bombed from the air, the country that housed these militants and the polititians that supported them. Britains war was with the IRA. It was not with the Irish people.
I would never imply that Britains part in "the troubles" was ever honourable, there were many incidents that shamed the country, but Britain never resorted to barbaric slaughter by arial bombardment of an entire country just because a minority of its citizens were at war with them.
The USA have a lot to answer for concerning the support and aid given to the IRA during the troubles. Many senators openly showed support and activly raised funds for arms and explosives so the war against Britain could continue, If Israel did not have such overt support from the American Government , Israel would never behave in the way that it does.
Israel was founded on terrorism and that mindset still drives it today. They behave no better than the terrorists that they claim are the aggressors. They are hypocrites.
They are as Virgo has said, a third world militarist theocracy.
I know many people from Israel who do not support their governments methods so it would be naieve to suppose that all of Israels citizens do support these latest actions.
Great Britain were fighting the IRA for decades. there were soldiers and civilians killed both in Ireland and on mainland Britain. Shootings, pub bombings, car bombs in streets and shopping centers. All the usual stuff. Now I would never defend Britains part in all of this regarding any reactions, sanctioned by successive governments, but one thing is certain, Britain never indiscriminately shelled or bombed from the air, the country that housed these militants and the polititians that supported them. Britains war was with the IRA. It was not with the Irish people.
I would never imply that Britains part in "the troubles" was ever honourable, there were many incidents that shamed the country, but Britain never resorted to barbaric slaughter by arial bombardment of an entire country just because a minority of its citizens were at war with them.
The USA have a lot to answer for concerning the support and aid given to the IRA during the troubles. Many senators openly showed support and activly raised funds for arms and explosives so the war against Britain could continue, If Israel did not have such overt support from the American Government , Israel would never behave in the way that it does.
Israel was founded on terrorism and that mindset still drives it today. They behave no better than the terrorists that they claim are the aggressors. They are hypocrites.
They are as Virgo has said, a third world militarist theocracy.
I know many people from Israel who do not support their governments methods so it would be naieve to suppose that all of Israels citizens do support these latest actions.
V
Virgo
Guest
Rob said:
hence the If... and I dont know, I've heard of portuguese kidnapping spanish to get ransoms and the opposite so I don't think it's that unlikely.
and yes in the eyes of the world this is supposed to be because of 2 kidnapped soldiers. Of course anyone with half a brain will know this is just the pretext but if it is, it just proves even further what has been said against Israel.
so you're basically giving me reason, smile
The_Knight
Senior Squad
Actually, about the 2 soldiers, the word to use is "taken into captivaty".. "prisoners of war". Not kidnap. They weren't civilians. This is just an example of mass-media twisting words, just to twist interpretations.
And the ransom, as many call it, is the release of 300 women and children taken into Isareli jails over the past years with no trial. Now there's where u'd make more sense using the word "kidnapping".
Small facts that change a lot.
If taking 2 soldiers into captivity from an occupying military force is considered 'act of TERRORISM', then, given Israelis massacres the past 60 years... hell given last week's Beach bombing... I guess every Israeli official could find relief in putting a bullet to his head.
So, the second a group decides to focus on military targets (soldeirs), taking them into captivity, in exchange of women and children prisoners (or kidnapped is the right word) in Israeli jails with no crimes, Israel amazingly labels it as 'an act of terrorism', and bombs the infra structure of half a country. Sending it back to stone-age.
Somebody put a label on that.
Every second, an innocent family in Lebanon, is either being killed, starved, or left homeless.
This is Terrorism at its worst.
So not only is Israel gonna keep the 300 children and women locked up in their jail, they decided to add like a million to them, buried under the ruins of Lebanon.
And the ransom, as many call it, is the release of 300 women and children taken into Isareli jails over the past years with no trial. Now there's where u'd make more sense using the word "kidnapping".
Small facts that change a lot.
If taking 2 soldiers into captivity from an occupying military force is considered 'act of TERRORISM', then, given Israelis massacres the past 60 years... hell given last week's Beach bombing... I guess every Israeli official could find relief in putting a bullet to his head.
So, the second a group decides to focus on military targets (soldeirs), taking them into captivity, in exchange of women and children prisoners (or kidnapped is the right word) in Israeli jails with no crimes, Israel amazingly labels it as 'an act of terrorism', and bombs the infra structure of half a country. Sending it back to stone-age.
Somebody put a label on that.
Every second, an innocent family in Lebanon, is either being killed, starved, or left homeless.
This is Terrorism at its worst.
So not only is Israel gonna keep the 300 children and women locked up in their jail, they decided to add like a million to them, buried under the ruins of Lebanon.
The_Knight
Senior Squad
Oh-kay.
That sums it up... NOT.
That sums it up... NOT.
The_Knight
Senior Squad
23 Children burned to death in Israeli missile strike
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1821706,00.html
Israel steeply escalated its military campaign against Hizbollah in Lebanon yesterday with a series of air strikes that left more than 35 civilians dead, including a single strike on a convoy of families fleeing the fighting in a village near Tyre in the south of the country that killed more than 20 people, most of them children.
According to witnesses and photographs from the scene of the worst incident, an Israeli missile incinerated a car and a small truck full of families leaving their Lebanese border village of Marwaheen near Tyre after the Israeli army used loudhailers to tell residents they had just hours to go. Pictures showed charred bodies of children strewn across the road.
UN peacekeepers recovered the bodies. Half the passengers were children or teenagers, according to medical sources. It was the deadliest single strike since Israel started an air campaign against Lebanon after two of its soldiers were captured by Hizbollah on Wednesday.
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Now again, a play on words. The newspaper in the article used the word 'die' to describe the event. 'Die' is a word used to describe death from natural cause. Having a missle target a bus full of families doesn't sound like a natural cause to me.
Act of Terrorism anybody? No? And it goes on and on.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1821706,00.html
Israel steeply escalated its military campaign against Hizbollah in Lebanon yesterday with a series of air strikes that left more than 35 civilians dead, including a single strike on a convoy of families fleeing the fighting in a village near Tyre in the south of the country that killed more than 20 people, most of them children.
According to witnesses and photographs from the scene of the worst incident, an Israeli missile incinerated a car and a small truck full of families leaving their Lebanese border village of Marwaheen near Tyre after the Israeli army used loudhailers to tell residents they had just hours to go. Pictures showed charred bodies of children strewn across the road.
UN peacekeepers recovered the bodies. Half the passengers were children or teenagers, according to medical sources. It was the deadliest single strike since Israel started an air campaign against Lebanon after two of its soldiers were captured by Hizbollah on Wednesday.
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Now again, a play on words. The newspaper in the article used the word 'die' to describe the event. 'Die' is a word used to describe death from natural cause. Having a missle target a bus full of families doesn't sound like a natural cause to me.
Act of Terrorism anybody? No? And it goes on and on.
Daniel David
Youth Team
Israek has put an entire country into siege and is doing no effort to measure the strenght of those attacks on civil infrastructure. I bet there would be universal outrage had that happened somewhere else. And let's remember, even though Hezbollah has their party, Lebannon government is nowhere near as off-rails as Syria or Iran. Talks should defnitely be possible.
PS.: Knight has just stretched a bit too far on the world play last post, however.
PS.: Knight has just stretched a bit too far on the world play last post, however.
The_Knight
Senior Squad
That's what happened. The children's half-burnt bodies were on display on the sides of the streets were the bus was missiled.
Lebanon is raising many reports to the UN about Israel using internationally banned wepaons in their strikes. Such as "phosphuric corrosive" explosives, like the ones used in this attack.
A quick comparison about how the news is presented.
Hypothetically...
A suicide bomber in a military checkpoint
Coverage: 24 hour CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox news coverage. Everyone knows about it, everyone empathizes. Life stories of victims on all news reports.
23 Children burned to death in Israeli missile strike
Coverage: 2 minutes on CNN, A line on the red bar on ABC, and FOX is showing a documentary about Jennifer Aniston's topless appearance in the movie "Who cares".
A brutal act of Terrorism? No?
It's amazing how quickly the media decided these children were homeless, parentless (they are now), with no aspirations for the future whatsoever.
Lebanon is raising many reports to the UN about Israel using internationally banned wepaons in their strikes. Such as "phosphuric corrosive" explosives, like the ones used in this attack.
A quick comparison about how the news is presented.
Hypothetically...
A suicide bomber in a military checkpoint
Coverage: 24 hour CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox news coverage. Everyone knows about it, everyone empathizes. Life stories of victims on all news reports.
23 Children burned to death in Israeli missile strike
Coverage: 2 minutes on CNN, A line on the red bar on ABC, and FOX is showing a documentary about Jennifer Aniston's topless appearance in the movie "Who cares".
A brutal act of Terrorism? No?
It's amazing how quickly the media decided these children were homeless, parentless (they are now), with no aspirations for the future whatsoever.
ZamundaMan
Reserve Team
What is happening to Lebanon is crimes against humanity. It's unbeleivable that Israel has the audacity to invade a neutral country, destroy is civil infrastructure, kill its civilians and possibly bring down its government, all for the sake of personal security.
With the strength of the Israeli Defense Forces, the Lebanese are in for a dirty and brutal war. The sooner the current government realizes that, the better its chances of it staying in power for the forseeable future. Lebanon's government should begin to mull at the the option of an "official declaration" of war against Israel. This would allow it to legally fight against Israel's army, not to forget that there will be no shortage of volunteers throughout the middle east who will wish to join in Lebanon's fight.
Israel started this brutal retaliation, and now Lebanon's government has the option to throw a wrench in the whole system should they wish to do so (maybe even giving a chance to some of them to save their careers). They know their days are numbered as Israel most likely will invade. An official Lebanese defense force, no matter how weak, will become a symbol of resistance, a symbolic gesture that will show the world that Israel be it, or America, cannot do whatever they like, wheverever they like at the expense of people's lives.
It would be far more interesting if there was a middle eastern coalition waiting on the other side. Middle Eastern Leaders may need to study the principles of a total war on the ground against Israel before its too late for all of them.
With the strength of the Israeli Defense Forces, the Lebanese are in for a dirty and brutal war. The sooner the current government realizes that, the better its chances of it staying in power for the forseeable future. Lebanon's government should begin to mull at the the option of an "official declaration" of war against Israel. This would allow it to legally fight against Israel's army, not to forget that there will be no shortage of volunteers throughout the middle east who will wish to join in Lebanon's fight.
Israel started this brutal retaliation, and now Lebanon's government has the option to throw a wrench in the whole system should they wish to do so (maybe even giving a chance to some of them to save their careers). They know their days are numbered as Israel most likely will invade. An official Lebanese defense force, no matter how weak, will become a symbol of resistance, a symbolic gesture that will show the world that Israel be it, or America, cannot do whatever they like, wheverever they like at the expense of people's lives.
It would be far more interesting if there was a middle eastern coalition waiting on the other side. Middle Eastern Leaders may need to study the principles of a total war on the ground against Israel before its too late for all of them.
SlayerDeuS
Starting XI
Why does my country support the murdering state of Israel? We need to stop sucking their dick.
SlayerDeuS
Starting XI
These poll results are disgusting. ISRAELI ACTIONS JUSTIFIED??? VOTE NO!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/15/mideast/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/15/mideast/index.html