Billie Mays died, too apparently. Let's build him a shrine.
http://www.cantonrep.com/world/x188...illy-Mays-found-dead-at-home-say-Tampa-police
http://www.cantonrep.com/world/x188...illy-Mays-found-dead-at-home-say-Tampa-police
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Dipanjan;2692392 said:Truth About Jordan Chandler
Take a look at this:
http://current.com/items/90292625_jorda<wbr>n-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-<wbr>Carlos*son.htm
http://www.dyfuse.com/?q=node/6418
http://current.com/items/90292625_jorda<wbr>n-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-<wbr>Carlos*son.htm
BASTARD!!
Zlatan;2692403 said:a) Granted.
b) I think atleast many people acknowledge that he did some terrible things in his personal life. BUT he was also one of the most influential musical artists ever and for that he deserves our respect.
c) Very hypocritical indeed, but again this doesn't mean we can show respect for the death. Atleast The Sun is sticking to it:
d) I suppose how his death personally effects you depends on how big a fan you were of Michael Carlos*son. For some(like myself BTW) he just made a few nice songs you can rock out to in a club. For many others around the world he was a huge inspiration to their lifes. I came across the Dam square here in Amsterdam the day he died and Michael Carlos*son fans had gathered there to share their grief. It was clear to me how much his death affected them on a very deep personal level. Many of them were about my age and were probably not even born yet when he had his biggest success. Again, that shows the kind of influence the guy had.
e) Do you have to be succesful in recent times to be remembered as a legend? The fact that Carlos*son had his biggest success 25 years ago and he hasn't made any good record since 1991, doesn't mean he isn't the legend that he is. He sold 750 million records(including the best selling album ever), than you must do something right. Music is timeless. I mean, The Beatles released their last studio album about 40 years ago and are still listened to by many across the world.
f) I agree with you on that. The death of Michael Carlos*son should be paid attention to but it's certainly not as important as human and democratic rights. Concerning that though it needs to be noted how Carlos*son always fought for equal human rights in his music and performances.
g) It's easy to raise 3 children and be happy if you're just Joe Random and you live in the suburbs. But it's not if you're a very mysterious person, like Carlos*son was, who is constantly chased by money hungry papperazzi and stuff. Michael Carlos*son is the perfect example of how (self-)destructive fame can be.
j) I recommend a pizza.
Pfff, I can't believe I bothered to write such a long reply. The holidays must be really getting to me.
Zlatan;2692613 said:I also strongly disagree with you that Michael Carlos*son has been irrelevant for the past 20 years. His influence on today's (pop)music is immeasurable. Many artist acknowledge him as a big influence. It was him that took the music videoclips to a new level. He also broke boundaries for black artists after him, being the first black guy who's songs we're getting played and got success on MTV and stuff. Also look at the many references to Carlos*son and his music in such a wide variety of songs.
Bobby;2692520 said:Billy Freaking Mays, why?! Why couldn't it be that annoying pitchman that beats up hookers?!
INFESTA;2692391 said:If a close friend died I'd be devastated. Of course! Actually, that is our point, and judging by your first sentence you missed it.
INFESTA;2692391 said:Want to know why I posted?
a) Because I can and this is an internet forum.
INFESTA;2692391 said:b) I hate that everybody suddenly forgot how he was a pedophile, how disrespectful and offensive he used to be, etc. [Come on, he spent millions on lawyers and still had to settle for expensive out of court agreements. Is that the best you can do to prove your innocence when you have the best lawyers in the world?]
INFESTA;2692391 said:c) How hypocritical is it that the same media (and people in general) that made his life a living hell are the same that now are hailing him as a dead King?
INFESTA;2692391 said:d) We didn't know him. It's a shame when someone talented dies, but that is about it.
INFESTA;2692391 said:e) He hasn't made any relevant music since 1991. Probably before most of you were even born!
INFESTA;2692391 said:f) We need to focus on what's going on in Iran. This M. Carlos*son death is as futile as it is overwhelming, and served the Iranian government well.
INFESTA;2692391 said:g) Oh, he was so sad and lonely. Come on, the guy had THREE children. I'd say that is more than enough to keep you entertained, if you are responsible for their education and well being in general.
goal_machine84;2692824 said:I get that you don't feel the same about MJ's death because he is not your close friend and/or you simply don't care because his music didn't have the same effect on you as it did on others. I can respect that. Each to their own.
Fair enough.
I hate that everyone assumes he was peadophile just because he was accused of it.
If you are the biggest superstar of the world, busy with shows, music production, touring, media appearances, shagging Elvis's daughter, have a ****ed up childhood with a strict father, you will be pissed off at some money hungry douchebag parents encouraging their kid to make some money and get it sorted ASAP.
The emphasis is on ASAP. And that takes money as we know how long those trials can last, especially for celebrities and more for a megastar like MJ even if you have the best lawyers cos they will also want a piece. You just want to get it over with and move on with your life. Just like a kidney stone, you want it out of your life as soon as u find a doctor with anaesthesia and a knife. Simple.
But, once a kid wins some money, more ****s follow. Get the trend ?
Yes it is hypocritical. Thats media for you. And they loooove deaths. Even a dog trapped in an elevator will be national news. The problem is that
- There are too many news channels and forms of media.
- They all are on ******* 24 hours. So they gotta have something to show you.
- So everything is news. And everything is sensationalism to the point that they will discuss how ants have developed a new form of kamasutra and we have to learn their techniques in order to survive the apocalyspe brought on by the fart of a skunk.
They will move on to the next story after it is milked to its last drop. Thats how they roll.
Again, its not a question of talent/celebrity dying. Its about a person who had affected many people on different levels due to his/her music/performances dying. Its about knowing the effect of the person, not the person himself.
Not me, I grew up on his music.
And even if you were born in 2000 and while growing up from age 5-14, if you listened/watched MJ as he was in the 80s, I am sure it will affect you on some level. It depends on the person.
And why does it matter he hasn't made 'relevant' music since 1991 ? Hendrix and Beatles haven't made anything for longer than MJ. Still they are legends and probably worshipped by a good number of people.
You are probably getting pissed off at the oversaturated media coverage. Especially because MJ didn't have much effect on you. Fair enough.
Its the hypocritical media for you as you and I both pointed out already.
He spent his life in the limelight since the age of 7.
Couple that with a strict father keen on getting the best out of his boys, constant bullying from his older siblings, constantly producing music and shows, dealing with the media, you will be hard pressed to have quiet and peaceful life on your own.
With THREE children and being the biggest superstar of the century, I am not surprised he isn't the Joe beer belly family guy quietly shagging the soccer mom in a countryside neighbourhood.
Totally agreed - but they make their money by being d***s.nigerianmiracle;2692448 said:F*ck the Sun if they could post that bullsh*t.
INFESTA;2692839 said:Ok, here's my last argument concerning your last paragraph: did he have more attention (not only from media), responsibility and a busier schedule than, lets say, Barack Obama? Or Clinton? Or any American president? [This list could grow with other jobs from different areas]
He decided not to care enough for his children and feel sorry for himself instead! If you do what you're supposed to, one son is enough to keep you busy 24/7. All my friends with kids are ready to testify on this one.
What else? We pretty much agree on everything else except for the pedophile accusations. You're telling me the best lawyers money can buy didn't realize that more kids asking for money would show up if they decided to handle a cool 22M$ to a kid lying about Michael? Oh, come one...
I know you people love the guy, but lets not be naive about it. They gave him (and all others) heavy sums of money to shut them up. If you're innocent you go all the way through! (And btw, all the media were already focused on this case anyway, so why rush it?)
goal_machine84;2692824 said:I get that you don't feel the same about MJ's death because he is not your close friend and/or you simply don't care because his music didn't have the same effect on you as it did on others. I can respect that. Each to their own.
Fair enough.
I hate that everyone assumes he was peadophile just because he was accused of it.
If you are the biggest superstar of the world, busy with shows, music production, touring, media appearances, shagging Elvis's daughter, have a ****ed up childhood with a strict father, you will be pissed off at some money hungry douchebag parents encouraging their kid to make some money and get it sorted ASAP.
The emphasis is on ASAP. And that takes money as we know how long those trials can last, especially for celebrities and more for a megastar like MJ even if you have the best lawyers cos they will also want a piece. You just want to get it over with and move on with your life. Just like a kidney stone, you want it out of your life as soon as u find a doctor with anaesthesia and a knife. Simple.
But, once a kid wins some money, more ****s follow. Get the trend ?
Yes it is hypocritical. Thats media for you. And they loooove deaths. Even a dog trapped in an elevator will be national news. The problem is that
- There are too many news channels and forms of media.
- They all are on ******* 24 hours. So they gotta have something to show you.
- So everything is news. And everything is sensationalism to the point that they will discuss how ants have developed a new form of kamasutra and we have to learn their techniques in order to survive the apocalyspe brought on by the fart of a skunk.
They will move on to the next story after it is milked to its last drop. Thats how they roll.
Again, its not a question of talent/celebrity dying. Its about a person who had affected many people on different levels due to his/her music/performances dying. Its about knowing the effect of the person, not the person himself.
Not me, I grew up on his music.
And even if you were born in 2000 and while growing up from age 5-14, if you listened/watched MJ as he was in the 80s, I am sure it will affect you on some level. It depends on the person.
And why does it matter he hasn't made 'relevant' music since 1991 ? Hendrix and Beatles haven't made anything for longer than MJ. Still they are legends and probably worshipped by a good number of people.
You are probably getting pissed off at the oversaturated media coverage. Especially because MJ didn't have much effect on you. Fair enough.
Its the hypocritical media for you as you and I both pointed out already.
He spent his life in the limelight since the age of 7.
Couple that with a strict father keen on getting the best out of his boys, constant bullying from his older siblings, constantly producing music and shows, dealing with the media, you will be hard pressed to have quiet and peaceful life on your own.
With THREE children and being the biggest superstar of the century, I am not surprised he isn't the Joe beer belly family guy quietly shagging the soccer mom in a countryside neighbourhood.
Phew ! alright, my fingers are going numb...**** i need to sleep !
abyPREDATOR;2693329 said:This photos were taken a few days before he died, when he was rehearsing for the show in London. He looks young and happy again when he is on the stage. I can't believe he died ...
*images*
goal_machine84;2693281 said:MJ had more attention ( from media and the people ) than Obama can dream of.
Obama has more responsibilities than MJ, definitely.
But seriously, imo, Obama has quiet a long way to go before reaching the MJ fame threshold. Can't believe you are comparing a US President and MJ although I get the point you trying to make. But no, presidents didn't have the physical strains MJ experienced from childhood. Keep digging.
He didn't want his children to be surrounded by cameras 24/7 and that makes him a bad parent ? Come on, tell me exaclty how he not cared ? Baby Dangling ? Wtf has that supposed to do with 'not a good parent' ? It was blown waaaay out of proportions by our friendly hypocritical media.
I am saying the lawyers would have understood fo sho but Michael may have just wanted to get it over with ASAP and that called for a settlement. It doesn't automatically prove him guilty. Nor innocent you will argue but thats your opinion. I just think he was his own worse enemy at times.
Do you know what 'going all the way through' would have meant ? Really ******* long cases which m sorry but a star like MJ doesn't have time for. Look at the thing from the viewpoint of the biggest star of the world.