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Manchester United vs. FC Porto (UEFA CL) [P]+[R]

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IceBlu

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This result makes me feel better about Juve's exit.

ManU and Juve have had similar seasons really - Both have defensive problems, both are trailing in their respective leagues etc..

Theres always next year guys (Y)
 

Scotto

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and another thing, that pissin referee must b blind, that ronaldo descision was shocking! it was a clear free kick.:f***:
 

monkee

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Last time the equivalent thread was locked before I got to say anything so I'm trying to get in earlier now.

I've skipped most of the pages here. I don't really fancy reading posts from bad winners and sore losers, which are probably rife over the past 10-15 pages, but I'm probably missing many good posts too... Might read it when I've calmed down a bit. :D

I can't say the performance was shocking. Porto huffed and puffed and rarely had any good chances. Whilst we didn't really do anything neither. On the whole I'd say we defended well but we just weren't good enough in attack, again. Giggs had a game where he did sweet F.A. and I was worried that Scholes was doing the same because other than the goal he did nothing in the first half. After the break though, his game improved, and so did that of Man Utd.

I have to say that I used to respect Porto, but over the past 2 legs I've lost quite a bit of the respect I had for them due to their theatrics. I must stress however, that this has very little to do with the result, which we didn't play well enough to get over the 2 legs, but then neither did Porto, imo. But their theatrics were awful and if they have to rely on those antics to win games, and I believe it played a large part in todays game, then I don't want to see them win at all.

Take away the ugly side of their game (and it's difficult to see passed it when they are so unsporting against your team) and they are a good team. Unlike Portuguese teams in the past they were well organised. Normally I'd associate top notch technical ability in Portuguese teams but Porto have taken it to another level.

Looking at the 2 legs as a whole as well, you have to say that Porto scored 2 class goals in the first leg, the second was particularly special as I can't ever remember a header like it. I'd like to think that in the end it was those 2 goals that did it but it wasn't it was a stupid last minute equaliser after a linesman conned us out of a goal.

Unfortunately, I have a load of gripes about this tie. We didn't play well at all, but we won that 90mins if the ref was good. The offside decision was attrocious. ffs there were at least 3 Porto players playing Scholes onside. Absolutely appalling, but that's part of the story of our season to date.

C Alberto's dive in the penalty area meritted a yellow card, not least for his persistant diving throughout the first half. But then he was off the field when the equaliser went in.

O'Shea was terrible. Last season he looked the part, this season he looks like more of a spare part. Sort it out O'Shea, you have to earn the right to play in the red shirt.

Looking again at it, you could say that of the 11 players we had out there, only Ruud, Scholes, Giggs, G Neville and Howard would normally be playing. P Neville perhaps, but not in that position. Our defense had everyone playing an unfamiliar other than Brown who was phenomenal today. But that's part of football.

Djemba's injury, Ronaldo's injury, the ridiculous offside (Stevie Wonder wearing ear-muffs would've spotted that it was ONSIDE!!!), suspensions (self-inflicted or otherwise) and injury have absolutely blighted our campaigns. Still it can't be used to excuse our performances.

This United team is currently very much a team for the future, I guess that shows promise. But the potential must be realised. Ronaldo is starting to consistantly show the promise that he had shown in patches up until Christmas, and 2Djembas has impressed me immensly when he has played. Howard is already showing signs that he is World Class, and not just potentially World Class. Not forgetting Fletcher, also in his first season is starting to find a level of consistancy which is needed at the top level. It's not too late for this season yet, there still the FA Cup and as long is it's mathematically possible to win the league there's no reason to give up on that either.

If we'd gone out like we did in the 2nd leg against Real Madrid last year there would be no complaints, but we haven't. Since 99 every season we've gone out, we've gone out with a whimper, either showing too much respect to the opposition(Bayern, Real) or not enough (Leverkusen). I wouldn't say that we didn't respect Porto's ability we just met them at the wrong time for us. But there should not be a 'wrong time' to meet a team.

But to lose to a team of cheats where the ref has cost us as much as our poor performances, whether Porto played well or not, is a bitter pill to swallow.

Rating...
Howard 6 - Solid performance, pity that he didn't just tip that free-kick wide.

Brown 8 - Brilliant.

G Neville 7 - Did well out of position.

P Neville 5 - Stop hoofing the ball up the pitch aimlessly

O'Shea 4.5 - Offered little, except for the cross which lead to Scholes' goal (which earns him a bonus point)

Butt 7 - Would now re-take his place from Phil Neville in a United team with a fully fit squad to choose from

Djemba-Djemba 7 - Couple of shakey defensive errors, loses him 0.5 of a point. Other than that, can't fault him.

Fletcher 7 - Took a while to settle in but then showed promise.

Scholes 6 - An average performance despite a nicely taken couple of goals (one of which was ruled out in one of the worst line-calls of all time)

Giggs 5 - A very weak performance from our left side, but Giggs did better defensively than O'Shea.

Ruud 5 - Poor service prevented him from getting into the game.

Subs:
Saha 5 - Could've been useful if the supply was there.

Ronaldo 6 - Ref missed the foul that injured him

Solskjaer 6 - Anonymous after his introduction.

Notables for Porto:
C Alberto - Did well to earn many free-kicks from non-existent fouls.

The linesman - good call. :rolleyes: Here try these glasses.

IceBlu... Glad that Juve and United are in the same boat. Whilst our exit comforts you, Juve's exit comforts me. :)
 
hahahahaha.. hahahahahaha.... hahahahhaa.... hahahahhahaa... :rofl: have a taste of your own medicine now!!!! hahahahaha... :rofl: now you guys know how those bayern munich fans and players felt in 1999.... :ewan: :crazyboy:
 

Help?

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Originally posted by Eng4WorldCup
hard luck for manchester united... funnioly enoiugh this was the first year that i was rooting for them to win or at least get far enough for arsenal to knock them out - for anything...

theres always next year...

Yes there is always next year, i totally agree with you. Now i just hope for Arsenal to get Porto and shows those cheats how to play. Porto MUST NOT get to the semi-finals. They already beat Korea to the first place in the biggest cheaters in the world. Hopefully Arsenal will get them and Paddy will show what happens to those that dive around him, what Keane didn't get a chance to do. I believe no other team have players like Keane and Vieira, from those that are left in CL.

Originally posted by IceBlu
This result makes me feel better about Juve's exit.

ManU and Juve have had similar seasons really - Both have defensive problems, both are trailing in their respective leagues etc..

Theres always next year
Too true. United still has a chance in the FA Cup thou and maybe a slight chace in the league, becuase they will get more rest. I just hope nothing will happen to United, like it did with Liverpool last season after the Basel game.
 

Goo Goo boy

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Porto


Baía-6 a nice save in the first half when ruud was all alone in front of him and nothing more

Paulo Ferreira-8 very very well (not a cheater)

Nuno Valente-4 Horrible as always with a bad tackle on Ronaldo(cheater)

Ricardo Carvalho-9 Best player in the match IMO, Brilliant

Jorge Costa...

Pedro Emanuel-4 Just horrible, too many fouls (cheater)

Costinha-7 an extra point for the goal..and he made some crucial tackles too

Deco-5 Poor performance..but he didnt dive...

Alenichev-8 Awesome!=)(not a cheater)

C.Alberto-5 bah....(Diver, he just came from brazilian football, he needs a couple of lessons from Mister Mourinho)

McCarthy-6 extra point for the FK, he ran more than he usually do but nothing else relevant...

Maniche-7 Good tackles and some good passes...

Jankauskas-5 this guy reaches the high balls bu then..his heading skills are sooooooooo poor=|

Ricardo Fernandes....
 

Help?

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I only have respect for Alenitchev and Ferreira on the Porto now. Not every single player dived, but too many did.
 

Simao20

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i don't understand all you guys complaining about the diving, and saying oh that portuguese cheaters, come on there are divers in the spanish , italian , french, german leagues, and all over europe, don't come with that crap saying portuguese are "only" divers that porto can only win by diving. You guys say that because in the football in the EPL is different and the players there don't dive so much (that's why probably it's the best league in the world).
Scholes wasn't offside in the 2nd goal, and that would probably changed the course of the whole game.

Anyway what i'm trying to say don't hate Porto because after all they are a good team (not a bunch of pussies) ,and i'm sure that Manchester United in a normal season would win them easily, but United isn't playing well right now.

Cheers
 

buba3d

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A picture speaks a thousand words...
 
i just saw the replay.. and my oh my... i think we can shot that lineman.. wth is he thinking of???:rolleyes: a total disgrace decision... :kader:
 

mika

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ha, Man U lost. No suprise here.

I bet Alex Ferguson is so pissed off.

I only have respect for Alenitchev and Ferreira on the Porto now. Not every single player dived, but too many did.

Yeah well Alientchev is Russian. ;)
 

Paulo Da Silva

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Originally posted by Help?
I only have respect for Alenitchev and Ferreira on the Porto now. Not every single player dived, but too many did.

who cares who you have respect for. How many times has ronaldo dived this year...countless that is.
Nevill also dove and then went on a rampage against Man city. YOU PPL ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES. FACE IT YOU LOST
 

Help?

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I see people call some of United fans glory hunters. If we are ones, then why do we still support United? They are not the best team in the world for a long time now and they are less and less strong in England. Why do we still stick to them? Sure, i have NEVER been to England and i support famous english team. Does it make me a glory hunter? No. Because the very second i heard a word Manchester United, after that there was absolutely no doubt that i will ever stop supporting them. I stuck to them in the Trophyless season and i will now, in a worst season since EPL started. Sure i started as a glory hunter, but the more time goes by, the more time i support them and will NEVER change my favourite team. Plus a glory hunter is not a person that supports a good team, but a person that constantly switches his favourite team every year and is always supports the best team in the world. I have only one quote to post :
"we'll never die
we'll never die
we'll never die
we'll never die
we'll keep the red flag flying high
cos man utd will never die"
 

Help?

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Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
who cares who you have respect for. How many times has ronaldo dived this year...countless that is.
Nevill also dove and then went on a rampage against Man city. YOU PPL ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES. FACE IT YOU LOST
:rolleyes: Oh my god! HOW MANY TIMES WILL I HAVE TO ASK ONE STUPID QUESTION? When was the last time Ronaldo dived?:rolleyes:

















btw Gary went on rampage, because MacManaman headbutted him first.
 

chatterbox

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ITs tricky..the whole Ruud thing....Real is tempting...very tempting ! But I think that United will get some big name this off season and Ruud will stay !
 

PhiLLer

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Monkee, I think your rating on O'Shea is a little harsh, he played well, no lack in effort, patrolled the left flank very well and covered nicely when in defensive position. He hasn't really been that bad this season, perhaps not quite the form he had the previous season but he's done well and he's still young and developing.

Gary Neville was my man of the match, always looked a commanding force at the back, holding everything together and his partnership with Brown worked very well, Brown had a faultless game.
 
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