Manchester United Thread [2011/2012]

[ArgVega]

It's not about quality, it's about style.

And I do think Barcelona would find the Prem more difficult than La Liga, they'd definitely be at the top, obviously. It's not as if they'd be a midtable team.

And which teams have been laughable? I'm finding it hard to remember a side that didn't at least progress to the knockout rounds.

No one is saying Sneijder wouldn't be a success. The argument is that the risk factor involved with him not adjusting to the league might not be reflected in the transfer value. Personally, I'd back even a 60m move for Sneijder, but unfortunately my side seems to have lost interest.

I mis wrote not their performance overall but the way some English teams have exited over the past few years, exaples: United against Barcelona twice, also United against Milan when Kaka tore them up at Old Trafford, Arsenal against Barcelona twice, Chelsea against Inter (They did the same to us), etc...

I think Sneijder is not a 20yr old midfielder, he's led his team to a treble and his NT to a world cup final. I would find it difficult to believe he would fail in any league.

It has nothing to do with there skill but adapting to the English game. Its far different. Faster and more physical being the biggest problem foreign players have.

That's what irritates me, your telling me Sneijder couldn't come in and match the speed of the game. It's funny how much "faster" you think the English game is than the rest of the world. When I have seen the English teams play against Barcelona they are walking by the end of the game and have only mustered 1 mere shot on goal, for a faster and stronger league you think that wouldn't be the case ie United, Tottenham, Arsenal. Inter, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan, Real have exposed those teams who are supposedly from a stronger league.

They are professional athletes for a reason, they can match the levels of any league. Maybe they wouldn't fit into a particular team and their system, that would make more sense.

 

[Mandieta6]

****'s sake, shut up with Barca already.

And Inter didn't humiliate us, they beat us. No one said the Prem is a stronger league, and just like other teams beat English teams at times, it works the other way around too.

 

[Pogba4Now]

You guys overrate the Epl like crazy, any time there is talk of a player from a foreign league there's always "Its a gamble cuz he's never played in the Epl". I remember some English media saying although Barcelona beat United in that fashion in 09 would struggle to win the Epl.

Do you guys think that the stokes and wigans pose that much of a problem? Do you think a player like Sneijder who would be in my opinion the best midfielder in the Epl wouldn't find a way to break those teams down.

Its arrogant to think a player like Sneijder wouldn't be a success in your league. English teams aren't that good, Barcelona, Inter, Real, Milan have proved that. You guys don't scare no one, some of the English teams in the CL have been laughable.

Stupid post. I never even mentioned Barcelona for ****'s sake! We're talking about Sneijder and what the **** does Barcelona have to do with that??

Reason why I think Sneijder is a big gamble is because it happened before. Veron was bought for 30 millions from the same league and didn't adapt.

Many players from that league failed to adapt in the EPL. Aquilaini, Shevchenko etc. Its not a matter of quality. Its just totally different style.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I mis wrote not their performance overall but the way some English teams have exited over the past few years, exaples: United against Barcelona twice, also United against Milan when Kaka tore them up at Old Trafford, Arsenal against Barcelona twice, Chelsea against Inter (They did the same to us), etc...

I think Sneijder is not a 20yr old midfielder, he's led his team to a treble and his NT to a world cup final. I would find it difficult to believe he would fail in any league.

Veron was also thought of the same. Same age and similar type of situation. Veron was a leading playmaker.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

It's not just the style of play, it's also a different language and culture with different types of expectations for professionals. Not necessarily better, but different. Not just Veron, look at Shevchenko for ****s sake. Probably considered the best striker in the world when he went to Chelsea. Flop.

 

[Xifio]

yup, Shifty nailed it: not necessarily better, but different ...

and there's no way to generalize on the topic; it really is a case-by-case thing ...

Luis Suárez is a perfect counterexample to the technical players who've flopped in England ... he's never been a physical player, and they way he used to dive when in physical contests in Holland made a lot of people doubt his ability to handle the Prem ... but he's already set the league alight in 6 months -- saving his best for Man U, no less ...

EDIT: having watched Sneijder since his Ajax-2 debut, I personally think he has grown into a player who is quite physically adept, and would have no problem in the Prem ... I just hope we don't find out ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

He doesn't seem weak to me either, but just not right for United. I don't think he can play in a flat 4-4-2, and in a 4-2-3-1 obviously that AMC spot is Rooney's. Perfect player would have been Nuri Sahin, but you were asleep at the wheel and now he'll play 12 games a year at Madrid.

 

[ladylover]

We won't be signing anyone else this window...... I think SAF wants to solve the 'creativity' problem by shifting Giggs to a CM spot, hence the purchase of Young. I think he's also banking on Anderson showing his true colors......weird that this is Ando's first full pre-season prep with the club, before he was either injured or with the Brazil squad......

 

[Pogba4Now]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_7038082,00.html

"Fergie seeks second Scholes
United boss still in the market for ball-playing midfielder"

Still hope!

 

[clash]

I'd like to fall asleep and wake up the day the transfer window closes.

We should have been searching for a "new-Scholes" few years ago, as we did with the "new-Giggs". Scholes didn't even play that much last season...

 

[kp41]

Guys, what do u think about Tom Cleverley? I think he's a talented player and much better than Gibson.

 

[Pogba4Now]

You cannot say that because he played 0 games for United and he's 22 already. He hasn't proven anything yet.

EDIT: not saying he's not talented. But he hasn't proven it YET. Thats it. Remember how Richardson impressed at West Brom too and "saved" them from relegation? Cleverley could be the next Scholes. But could be the next Richardson too. You can't tell until he plays regularly for United.

 

[kp41]

Guys, I just wondering why our academy didn't produce good quality players during last couple of years. By quality player, I mean someone who can play in starting XI. Fletcher, Oshea and Brown were the last players from academy who had the potential to play for first team. Gibson, Evans, and Wellback, I don't think so. Macheda scored couple of important goals, but still incossistent.

The other stupid thing was bringing Pique and Rossi at a very young age, developing them and selling them to other clubs. I'm sure they both could help us alot.

Btw, just watched the FH of Peru vs. Colombia, Juan Manuel Vargas looks very promising. He's 27 like Sneijder, but he's more physical and I think more fit for EPL. I hope Sir Alex consider him after seeing this post )

 

[RockShow]

Guys, I just wondering why our academy didn't produce good quality players during last couple of years. By quality player, I mean someone who can play in starting XI. Fletcher, Oshea and Brown were the last players from academy who had the potential to play for first team. Gibson, Evans, and Wellback, I don't think so. Macheda scored couple of important goals, but still incossistent.

The other stupid thing was bringing Pique and Rossi at a very young age, developing them and selling them to other clubs. I'm sure they both could help us alot.

Btw, just watched the FH of Peru vs. Colombia, Juan Manuel Vargas looks very promising. He's 27 like Sneijder, but he's more physical and I think more fit for EPL. I hope Sir Alex consider him after seeing this post )

the main reason is that until a player is 16 united are restricted in how far abroad(within England) they can recruit. i think it is 50 miles or some such bollix. either way, thats the same reason why England are ****e, all the top teams can only recruit from with a certain distance of the club. so a lot of top quality talent are stuck learning their trade in crappy clubs.

 

[kp41]

that 50 miles rule is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

 

[B9Goal]

Even Nike wants Sneijder at Old Trafford. They are offering to pay half of his wages.

 

[clash]

No. That's just random, several days old, tabloid gossip. We're not getting Sneijder, would have been a dream come true, but it was always highly unlikely with our finances and transfer policy...

 

[RockShow]

United have never been big spenders in regards to wages. they may splash on a players wages if he is already in the club. but we have never signed anyone and started them at the top of the earning block. that short of activity pisses off your existing players.

 

[kp41]

I really want to see a more mature and consistend Anderson this year. He has a good chance to shine this year.

 

[1966+2006]

I think he will explode within the next two seasons, and maybe even find a scoring touch.