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Manchester United Thread [2004-2005]

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Originally posted by Kulixs
Man Utd fans take protest to leading Sponsors

Angry Manchester United fans have taken their protest against Malcolm Glazer's planned takeover to the club's major sponsors - and warned the American not to waste his time inspecting the Red Devils' accounts.

After a noisy demonstration outside Old Trafford on Wednesday, a 300-strong group launched peaceful 'flash protests' in Manchester city centre, disrupting business at Nike, Vodafone and Ladbrokes - all major United sponsors - plus bankers NM Rothschild who are advising Glazer over his bid.

"We have no particular axe to grind with any of United's commercial partners but this is the kind of thing that will happen in order to get them to put pressure on the club," said Jules Spencer, chairman of the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association.

"Our message to Malcolm Glazer is that there is no point him even bothering to look at United's accounts because they will only tell him what current revenues are.

"If he gained control of Manchester United, the income would look vastly different because we would urge all fans not to buy any product from which the club could make money."

http://www.football365.com/news/story_143291.shtml

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So im just wondering, it Glazer would have to take over, who is going to back the supporters bid and NOT buy any merchandise?
I definietly will. No more anual official shirts and no more monthly magazines, until we become a PLC. I have been supporting the club for years spending hundreds of dollars on them, but if Glazer takes over, i won't buy a signle product and i hope thousands of other fans will do the same.





Vegavest: **** off already, for 2-3 pages you have been posting nothing but crap spamming, with your stupid pictures of Glazer, i bet you donwloaded a whole frigin collection to idolise him :rolleyes: . Please, leave and don't spam the thread.
 

Vinnie Jones

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Why so jealous Fagegast? Where´s the moral in your acusations when Robben is exactly the same or even worse? Remember Portugal vs Holland? I remember Ronaldo ripping the dutch defense apart and scoring without having to resort to any "diving". Robben on the other hand spent the match throwing himself to the ground constantly because he couldn´t get past Miguel. Oh and we can talk about the premiership this year. I haven´t seen or read any acusations of diving towards Ronaldo but i clearly remember alot of incidents and acusations towards Robben (Tottenham anyone?).
Keep whining because he will keep scoring against your teams.
About the Duff incident, it was clear that he wanted to hit Ronaldo because he had this kind of agressive atitude since the kick off towards him. Things eventually got worst when Ronaldo nutmegged him. This is just the typical display of underachieving sore losers who can´t fight with the same weapons (dribble) and just try to hit them to make it up for being embarrassed twice.

P.s. Funny, i haven´t seen Bobby around after his "fetish player" slotted two past his favourite club at Highbury. It must have been too much for him to handle.
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
The difference between Ronaldo and Robben is that Robben has class. Nobody's denying he's eager to dive but he makes it up 30 seconds later by making a run and setting up the goal or scoring it himself. Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball.

Secondly, it was distinctly Figo that was superb in that match; not Ronaldo.
Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
Keep whining because he will keep scoring against your teams.
What are my teams? :confused:
 

Kulixs

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Originally posted by Vagegast
Secondly, it was distinctly Figo that was superb in that match; not Ronaldo. What are my teams? :confused:
Exactly you dont have a team, you just have nothing better to do than hate on man utd. So why dont you piss off somewhere else and post something useful. Instead of trying to suck Rob's dick every 2 posts and start a Malcolm Glazer fan club, your doing nothing useful here, stop being a dickhead. :kader:
 

untouchable

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Originally posted by bigp
Is that the only way Manchester United can win against big teams?:p

What? Win against big teams? We are a big team you dick.

Originally posted by Who cares what his name is
You can't even spell my name.

Which clearly shows I dont care about you, or anything you say.

Originally posted by no name The difference between Ronaldo and Robben is that Robben has class. Nobody's denying he's eager to dive but he makes it up 30 seconds later by making a run and setting up the goal or scoring it himself. Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball.

Secondly, it was distinctly Figo that was superb in that match; not Ronaldo.

Are you that daft/stupid/moronic/idiotic? How many times do you have to see Ronaldo's backheel to Keane, his single handed ripping apart of Arsenal, or any United match for that matter to see Ronaldo's ability to set up and score goals? This really shows you dont know sh*t about anything. You act as if Robben is God, as if he always scores and always makes scoring chances, and Ronaldo always doesn't. You idiot, Ronaldo is the best 20 year old prospect in this damn league, respect his gangsta and go watch a United match. Fool.
 

James007

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wow next time i look in here vagegast will be in a corner against all man utd fans :rockman: y get all pissed abt Ronaldo when u have huge problem divers like PIRES like BERGKAMP out there???
 

mmh71016

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Originally posted by Kulixs
Exactly you dont have a team, you just have nothing better to do than hate on man utd. So why dont you piss off somewhere else and post something useful. Instead of trying to suck Rob's dick every 2 posts and start a Malcolm Glazer fan club, your doing nothing useful here, stop being a dickhead. :kader:
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YUUUU GI OH!
 

fh_29

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United admit they cannot stop Glazer but will not back him

All eyes on Irish duo as club's books are opened to American

Nils Pratley
Saturday February 12, 2005
The Guardian

Manchester United's directors yesterday admitted they were powerless to stop Malcolm Glazer making a bid even though they called his plans potentially "damaging".
The directors, in a Stock Exchange statement, said they were unlikely to recommend any offer from Glazer but shareholders would ultimately have to decide whether to sell shares. They described Glazer's proposed price of 300p a share in cash, or about £800m, as "fair".

Shareholders United, the fans' group bitterly opposed to Glazer, took encouragement from the board's refusal to recommend Glazer's proposed offer and the description of his business plans as "aggressive".

Oliver Houston, vice-chairman of Shareholders United, said: "The board was under no obligation to make this incredibly bold statement. If the board is against the offer then players and the manager are more likely to speak out against it and that will fuel a customer backlash. Everybody from Malaysian part-time supporters will know it is OK to withhold money from Glazer."

Intriguingly, the board's Stock Exchange statement contained a clear hint that the Irish investors John Magnier and JP McManus, with a 29.1% stake, helped to push the board into opening up the club's books to Glazer, who owns 28.8%.

It said "a majority of shareholders would want the board to permit [Glazer's proposal's] development" and that, therefore, Glazer had been granted "limited" due diligence.

The Irish pair now become key players. Their stake effectively gives them the power of veto on any takeover bid, given that Glazer will not proceed without gaining control over 75% of the shares.

It is still possible that the lack of a recommendation by the board will be a deal-breaker. Yesterday's statement confirmed that a "public recommendation of the offer by the board" is one of Glazer's preconditions; however, it also admitted that the precondition could be dropped.

Equally, though, it is conceivable that the Irish pair might refuse to sell to Glazer without guidance from the board. They might be concerned about accusations of selling the club against directors' advice.

United's board gave a strong condemnation of Glazer's plans for the club, which are thought to include large increases in commercial revenues: "The board continues to believe that Glazer's business plan assumptions are aggressive and that the direct and indirect financial strain on the business could be damaging."

The Glazer camp was disappointed by the statement, arguing that the board's near-certain refusal to recommend an offer is premature given that detailed takeover talks have yet to take place. A Glazer source said: "We think we have a compelling proposition and this statement changes nothing. We hope the board will see fit to recommend it when we have had the opportunity to discuss it further with them."

Cubic Expression, the investment vehicle of McManus and Magnier, also argued that the board had hardly advanced matters. "This announcement changes nothing," a spokesman said. "We continue as long-term investors in Manchester United."

The key passage of the board update was partly a u-turn on its position in November. Then, the directors called off talks and refused access to the books on the grounds that Glazer's proposals could jeopardise United's future.

This time, despite making a similar judgment on the revised proposals, they effectively referred the matter to shareholders.

The passage read: "If the current proposal were to develop into an offer - and there can be no certainty that this will occur - the board considers that it is unlikely to be able to recommend the offer as being in the best interests of Manchester United, notwithstanding the fairness of the price. However, it is ultimately for the shareholders to determine whether an offer will succeed."

The statement also gave the first official version of Glazer's funding structure. It confirmed that he has reduced the amount of senior debt - thought to from £500m to £300m - and that rest of the offer would be funded by the issue of preference shares.

The directors were unimpressed by the changes. "The board believes that the nature and return requirements of this capital structure will put pressure on the business of Manchester United, particularly if Glazer's business plan was not met," said the statement.

Joel Glazer, Malcolm Glazer's son who is leading the takeover attempt, now has a key decision to make on how to approach the board once due diligence has been conducted. He is likely to make a final attempt to win the directors' support, but has to decide whether to proceed without a formal recommendation. The Glazers' behaviour to date - such as the removal of three directors at the agm in November - suggests the family is sufficiently thick-skinned to take their bid directly to shareholders.



:o
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Here are twenty things you didn’t know about the reclusive US billionaire Malcolm Glazer who is trying to buy Manchester United.

1. Loadsamoney. 75-year old Glazer is estimated by Forbes magazine to be the 244th richest person in the US Though his wealth is listed at around a billion, what the real figure is remains shrouded in secrecy.

2. Buccaneering. Glazer bought the struggling American football team the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1995 for $192m, after it had notched up a long strong of losses both financial and on the pitch. His first act was to fire the manager. In 2003, the Buccaneers won the Superbowl to crown their improved fortunes.

3. Manchester, prepare! Glazer goes for the jugular. When he offered to buy the Buccaneers, he promised the Tampa authorities he would go halves on a new stadium with them. After getting control, he backed out of the deal, and gave Tampa two years to build it themselves or he would move the team to a city that would. Tampa caved in, and city taxpayers are still paying a half cent sales tax to fund the stadium’s construction.

4. No slow coach. Though he wouldn’t buy the stadium, he has spent plenty on players. He even broke the record for poaching a coach, paying Oakland Raiders $8m for Jon Gruden. Gruden helped the Buccaneers to its Superbowl win in his first season.

5. Tough love. Glazer doesn’t just play hard in the business world. He even fought his five sisters through the courts over the contents of his mother Hannah’s will.

6. Bought on tick.Despite the name, Glazer didn’t begin his rags to riches saga installing windows. He took over his father’s watch-parts shop in Rochester, New York in 1943 at age 15, following the death of his father Abraham. At that time he had just $300 to his name. One of the few quotations attributed to this very private man was on his father’s death which he said was “probably the most tragic thing in my life. But it was good in one way. It made me a man”.

7. Miniature for Sport? The bespectacled Glazer is very short and sports a ginger beard. To the Buccaneers’ fans he is known as the leprechaun.

8. The Bush connection.Glazer owns a company, Zapata Corporation, that was started by the father of US president George W. Bush. While George H. W Bush began Zapata as an oil and gas outfit, Glazer sidetracked it into fish protein, Caribbean supermarkets and sausage skins. Yuck.

9. V-twin spin. Before his interest turned to the world’s richest soccer club, Glazer tried to buy other glamorous firms. In 1989 he tried to buy the ultra-cool motorcycle company Harley-Davidson.

10. Naff. But he also made an equally unsuccessful attempt to buy the company that makes Formica, the outdated 1950s-style table and worktop material in 1988.

11. My first train set. Glazer’s first attempt at a takeover was in 1984 when he tried to buy the bankrupt US Conrail system. He offered $7.6bn, though he only actually had $100m of his own. Attempt to raise the difference eventually failed.

12. Part of a US tradition. Malcolm Glazer’s family were orthodox Jewish immigrants from the Baltic republic of Lithuania. His father was said to be a deserter from the Russian Army before travelling to the US.

13. Shop till you drop. Glazer made his mega-bucks in banking, nursing homes and real estate, mainly in the Florida area. Allied Corporation, the family property firm, owns shopping centres in 15 US states.

14. Jet set commute. Glazer travels by private jet from his £16m Palm Beach home to Tampa for every home game of the Buccaneers.

15. Scoring boom. The Tampa stadium has a $3m replica pirate ship that fires its cannons every time the Buccaneers score.

16. All in the family. Glazer's two soccer-fanatic sons Avram and Joel are leading the bid. There is no history of their father having an interest in soccer.

17. Official investigation. The US Securities and Exchange Commission, the powerful watchdog that oversees Wall Street, is probing allegations that Glazer’s family artificially boosted the market values of two family-controlled companies which may have been used as collateral for bid finance

18. Dogged. Glazer was taken to court by tenants at one of the residential caravan parks that he owns in New York state after he started charging each household £2 a month per child and £3.50 per dog.

19. Rats. The Buccaneers travel 80 miles to a training ground because their existing Tampa training facilities, which Glazer has yet to renew despite promises, are infested with rats.

20. Corporate raider. Many of Glazer’s attempt to buy companies seem to have failed. However, buying the company approached may not have been the objective. By raising the share prices of the companies he approaches, he has often been able to offload his shares at a profit. If his record is anything to go by, this is what he may do at Man Utd.
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Originally posted by untouchable
Which clearly shows I dont care about you, or anything you say.
Funny! But no. It shows you're brain is incapable of processing anything that requires any amount of thinking. Furthermore, it shows your hand-eye coordination is pretty weak. My name is right there on the screen yet you are not able to type 8 letters with your fingers. Sad but true.

Also, if you don't care what I say why are you wasting your time responding to my posts? Just put me on the ignore list, it's there for a reason.
Are you that daft/stupid/moronic/idiotic?
Did I hit a soft spot? :( Because calling each other names will surely contribute to this argument in a positive way (Y)
How many times do you have to see Ronaldo's backheel to Keane, his single handed ripping apart of Arsenal, or any United match for that matter to see Ronaldo's ability to set up and score goals?
[cough]tap-in[/cough]
This really shows you dont know sh*t about anything. You act as if Robben is God, as if he always scores and always makes scoring chances, and Ronaldo always doesn't.
Well, the term "always" is an extreme. and I didn't use that word. If you go back, here's what I said: "Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball." Which is verified by all the matches Ronaldo played before 2005. He'd have the ball, he'd try to make a run, someone would dare to touch him and there he was again, lying on the ground. Robben may dive for penalties (see the Spurs match) but he goes on to set up goals and assists.
You idiot, Ronaldo is the best 20 year old prospect in this damn league, respect his gangsta and go watch a United match. Fool.
I don't enjoy United games without Ruud.

Ps. You're name is untouchable. I just proved your name wrong.
Originally posted by James007
wow next time i look in here vagegast will be in a corner against all man utd fans :rockman: y get all pissed abt Ronaldo when u have huge problem divers like PIRES like BERGKAMP out there???
Funny, your avatar is the flag of the United Kingdom yet you can't speak English properly. How sad.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
The United Kingdom does include Wales and Scotland you forget ;)

Ferguson can't speak English properly either
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Originally posted by Kulixs
Exactly you dont have a team, you just have nothing better to do than hate on man utd. So why dont you piss off somewhere else and post something useful. Instead of trying to suck Rob's dick every 2 posts and start a Malcolm Glazer fan club, your doing nothing useful here, stop being a dickhead. :kader:
My problem is with the crybaby from Portugal, not United. I don't hate United, I don't favor them. I just love hostile corporate take-overs by Americans who aren't a bit interested in soccer.



Holla!
 

Kulixs

Starting XI
Originally posted by Vagegast
My problem is with the crybaby from Portugal, not United. I don't hate United, I don't favor them. I just love hostile corporate take-overs by Americans who aren't a bit interested in soccer.



Holla!
Well maybe it will be a good idea to go make a Malcolm Glazer appreciation thread, where you can speak to yourself, then you can stop spamming the Man Utd forum.
 

untouchable

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Vagegast
Funny! But no. It shows you're brain is incapable of processing anything that requires any amount of thinking. Furthermore, it shows your hand-eye coordination is pretty weak. My name is right there on the screen yet you are not able to type 8 letters with your fingers. Sad but true.

Ahh right. Play the "I just got owned therefore I shall act like an Oxford University graduate pretending to talk about hand-eye coordination and other irrelevant bullsh*t when it has no bearing on the arguement what so ever." hand.

You dont even know what you're talking about. Hand eye coordination has to do with aim and manual dexterity, not someone's username on a forum. Prat.

Also, if you don't care what I say why are you wasting your time responding to my posts? Just put me on the ignore list, it's there for a reason.
So you admit what you talk is crap then? Seeing as you admitted that I'm wasting my time?

I hit a soft spot? :( Because calling each other names will surely contribute to this argument in a positive way

Contribute to this 'argument' in a positive way? This isn't an arguement. Its more of a battle, and you're fatally unarmed.

[cough]tap-in[/cough]

[cough]You conveniently forgot his cutting outside from the left flank and hopelessly beating Sol Campbell and Almunia from the tightest of angles, as well as everything else he does.[/cough]Just like you sad haters, you scrunge to find one incident to try and prove your point, but you hopelessly fail.

Well, the term "always" is an extreme. and I didn't use that word. If you go back, here's what I said: "Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball." Which is verified by all the matches Ronaldo played before 2005. He'd have the ball, he'd try to make a run, someone would dare to touch him and there he was again, lying on the ground. Robben may dive for penalties (see the Spurs match) but he goes on to set up goals and assists.

Wow, you just proved how slow you really are. I never said you said always, but you implied it. You imply that Ronaldo dives everytime he has the ball. Notice what you said: Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball.
There's nothing in that sentence to show past tense. You said 'dives' which implies what he does at the present time. If you wanted to say that he dived before 2005, then say he 'dived before 2005'. Then you do the same with Robben and imply that he always sets up goals because you use the present tense again with Robben, only this time positively. Wow, well done Mr. Scholar, you really proved me wrong.:rolleyes:

Ps. You're name is untouchable. I just proved your name wrong.
That made no sense, as does most of the diarrhea that spurts out of your mouth, or should I say, keyboard.

Funny, your avatar is the flag of the United Kingdom yet you can't speak English properly. How sad.

You have no business talking about other people when you can't even speak English properly yourself.
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Originally posted by untouchable
So you admit what you talk is crap then? Seeing as you admitted that I'm wasting my time?
Where did I admit that? :| You said that you didn't care about me yet put up a long post replying to me. You're the one here contradicting yourself. I was just having a bit of fun; you're the one who has his panties in a bunch over a couple of posts.
Contribute to this 'argument' in a positive way? This isn't an arguement. Its more of a battle, and you're fatally unarmed.
I'm unarmed only if you don't consider the fertilizer and the detonator in my pocket as weapons. And again, all you needed to do was look at my post and cop the word argument. And you spelled it wrong. Your track record isn't that great, buddy.

[cough]You conveniently forgot his cutting outside from the left flank and hopelessly beating Sol Campbell and Almunia from the tightest of angles, as well as everything else he does.[/cough]Just like you sad haters, you scrunge to find one incident to try and prove your point, but you hopelessly fail.
Beating an out-of-form Campbell and a third option goalkeeper? For someone who is supposed to be EPL's biggest prospect he ought to be doing this all week.

One incident? His diving is a one time occurence? Haha, right. His dives are as common as Bush's grammatical errors.

Wow, you just proved how slow you really are. I never said you said always, but you implied it. You imply that Ronaldo dives everytime he has the ball. Notice what you said: Ronaldo simply dives again the next time he has possesion of the ball.
Whenever you can't find the actual words that you want a person to say, just use the term "imply." Again, I challenge you to quote the post in which I said that Ronaldo always dives. Hint: Don't waste your precious time. It's not there.
There's nothing in that sentence to show past tense. You said 'dives' which implies what he does at the present time. If you wanted to say that he dived before 2005, then say he 'dived before 2005'.
Hey, here's a tip. Read the whole post: "He'd have the ball, he'd try to make a run, someone would dare to touch him and there he was again, lying on the ground." Was implies the paste tense, doesn't it? Exactly.
You have no business talking about other people when you can't even speak English properly yourself.
I can spell which is not what you can say of most of the posters in the United thread.
 
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