Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

[Mandieta6]

I'd say Malouda is. Not Kalou. The thing Kalou lacks is flair.

THAT's a joke of a comparison. Malouda is not only a better player than Nani in everything but dribbling, but he's also consistent. When Nani does what Malou did last year, than you'd have a point. Even then, they're not the same sort of player, other than the fact that they both play on the wing, which in Malou's case is only partly true. Positionally, Kalou is closer.

Kalou has flair, he lacks decision-making and composure. He's also inconsistent and doesn't step up in big games. He's a closer comparison to Nani than Malouda.

You can be pedantic and say they're different and that Nani is better, both of which are true, but you can do that sort of thing with any comparison.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Except Kalou's good games are about the same as Nani's bad games. So the comparison is stupid.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I'd say Nani is in between Kalou and Malouda but nearer to Malouda than Kalou. I think most people will agree with me on that.

Kalou is great but I haven't seen any games in which he really stood out TBH. Nani's impact in games is greater than Kalou.

 

[Mandieta6]

Again, you're being pedantic. It's still the closest comparison. I could compare Nani to Carvalho on the basis that they're good games are on the same levels, too. There's more to player comparison than their gross ability. THAT's the stupid thing to do when comparing.

EDIT: That's because you're only considering their level of play. If all 3 players played at the same level, Kalou and Nani would be the most similar.

Oh, and no, Kalou's good games are actually quite good, definitely better than Nani's bad games.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I have literally never been amazed by Kalou's play. At his best he disappears the entire game and pops up once or twice for a goal or two.

 

[Mandieta6]

I have literally never been amazed by Kalou's play. At his best he disappears the entire game and pops up once or twice for a goal or two.

And I respect your opinion. On the flipside, I've watched him play a lot mopre than you, and at his best he scores goal, links well with the midfield and attackers, and leaves defenders behind, as well always being in the right place at the right time around the area, and keeping defenders occupied, allowing fullbacks, midfielders or remaining attackers to make use of the space.

He's more often than not simply OK, if that.

He has never amazed me either, but his good days are better than Nani's bad ones.

You've also said that you've rarely been amazed by players, so it's unfair to discredit a player for not living up to very high standards. Kalou's good, I constantly pray for him to get better, but he's not miles behind Nani. Definitely not as good, hopefully just for now, but he's not a bad player at all, and your suggestion that he is is a lot more off-base than mine was.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I have ridiculously high standards and Nani is one of the few players who have met them. Someone who's never EVER EVER come close to even intriguing me like Kalou should not be compared to Nani in any capacity. Even ******* Kenwyne Jones has at least intrigued me.

 

[Recrero152]

I have literally never been amazed by Kalou's play. At his best he disappears the entire game and pops up once or twice for a goal or two.

I agree completely. He never does anything special to help, he only scores a goal and then just plays off the rest of the game. He doesn't contribute to the play at all most of the time. Of course it can be very valuable for a person, especially a substitute, to have such an ability but it's far from enough to be in a starting eleven.

I think most people would agree with me when I say this: it is truly time for Ferguson to step down.

 

[Mandieta6]

The thing is, your limited viewings of Kalou and your subsequent opinions are not the be-all and end-all of the matter. You simply can't seem to get around the fact that raw ability isn't the only thing you can compare players at. Nani and Kalou are very similar whether you can see that or not.

If your standards are ridiculously high, than Nani will have failed to live up to them in 90% of games.

Whatever effect players have on you really doesn't matter to me. Comparing Jones to Kalou is outrageous coming from someone who won't accept a Kalou-Nani comparison.

EDIT: I hope no one thinks that I'm saying that Kalou is a very good player, he's not. Look in the Chelsea thread and you'll see my complaints about him. But he's not useless, and at the odd game that he does contribute (and I don't mean just by scoring), he contributes a lot. Not as much as Nani on his good days, but a lot nonetheless.

 

[ladylover]

I agree completely. He never does anything special to help, he only scores a goal and then just plays off the rest of the game. He doesn't contribute to the play at all most of the time. Of course it can be very valuable for a person, especially a substitute, to have such an ability but it's far from enough to be in a starting eleven.

I think most people would agree with me when I say this: it is truly time for Ferguson to step down.

Most people wouldn't agree with you, me neither....

 

[Payaah]

Malouda wasn't inconsistent, he was just quite poor. He had a few good games, sure, but those were rare. It wasn't a pattern of inconsistency. The Chelsea equivalent would probably be Kalou, who can be great and poor in equal measure.

IMO he was poor due to lack of regular games. He even complained about playing time at some point: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/02012010/63/malouda-quot-ready-look-elsewhere-quot.html.Its the same with Kalou he doesnt play as much as Drogba, Lampard etc. Not many players can play random matches and yet be consistent at same time.

Getting regular games builds up player's confident. Ronaldo developed a lot more compared to Nani/Anderson mainly cause he had the RM position all to himself (I think the other 2 were Fletcher and Solskjaer).

 

[Payaah]

I agree completely. He never does anything special to help, he only scores a goal and then just plays off the rest of the game. He doesn't contribute to the play at all most of the time. Of course it can be very valuable for a person, especially a substitute, to have such an ability but it's far from enough to be in a starting eleven.

I think most people would agree with me when I say this: it is truly time for Ferguson to step down.

You are kidding right?

 

[Mandieta6]

Definitely, I agree with that. And it might work as an excuse, but he still needs to step up before you can label him a great player.

EDIT: I agree with that, Fergie should step down, it'd make our job much easier. Have him fired, better yet, in the middle of the season. I would LOVE to see that.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

You can have van Gaal. He'll will work wonders for any exciting youngsters you have... and you'll never have to worry about the 25 player rule. You probably wouldn't even have to worry about it if it was a 15 player rule.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I think most people would agree with me when I say this: it is truly time for Ferguson to step down.

This is what people have been saying for years. haha. Then he wins the EPL 3 times in a row + the Champions League.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I would die laughing if Fergie left and the Glazers hired Bob Bradley. It is my new fantasy.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Update on Valencia:

"It is a dislocation or a fracture and he gets operated on tomorrow morning," confirmed Ferguson following the 0-0 draw.

"It was an innocuous challenge but when you saw the Rangers player waving, you knew it was a bad one.

"It is a bad blow for the boy. It is similar to the injury Alan Smith got and you are talking about the rest of the season."

http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/6377370/Fergie-Valencia-could-be-out-for-season?

 

[cfdemarco]

Well I expected big injuries this season, but I figured it'd be the defenders and strikers that got hit first.

This is why we should've bought Ozil or Elia this summer.

About the game, 0-0 doesn't bother me, we shouldn't have a problem getting out of this group.

 

[mnj2x]

We need carrick and ando to come back asap. Need some quality in midfield. We really look dire and toothless without scholes.

Oh and i hate the idea of playing scholes giggs and neville all at the same time.

 

[cfdemarco]

Supposedly, Aston Villa are wanting Michael Owen. I say we sell him in January for sure.

We need a new winger in January. I want Elia.

I think by the break, the league is going to be Chelsea's to lose.