Manchester United F.C Thread [2009/2010]

[MikeyM]

I've been in a reflective mood somewhat recently, and the thought has occurred to me that we only actually have the media's word about the magnitude of the financial situation as all the key players have remained silent.

I'm wondering if this is being overhyped to try and split the fans and the club - and also the timing appears to have coincided with our poor recent form. If there is no news then the media often times tries to create it.

Now I'm not stupid, I know there is a debt and it must be repaid, but beyond that and the end of year figures - we know nothing about what is actually happening in the United boardroom. The rumours about Carrington and Old Trafford being sold are probably in the case of some "doomsday" scenario happening. Which may never happen.

The facts are that we are third in the league, despite missing the best back four in the Premiership for large parts of it, in the second round of the Champions League and still in a domestic final. We have reached the UCL final twice, winning it once and have won three league titles in a row.

Our merchandise and brand recognition is still in the top two clubs in the world (arguably behind Real Madrid) so the cash is coming in.

Yes the debt is a worry, but is it as bad as the media portray / hope. Let's get thhis straight, Manchester United's dominance in English football ending would be the biggest story in Premiership history, as well as the combined dream of most other clubs' supporters.

The very idea of the collapse of United is goldust to the media, and will be lapped up by the great unwashed.

So maybe it's time to simply stop reading the papers.


BTW The boy Diouf played really well last night, and Kiko was on the bench too.

 

[Paulo Da Silva]

U guys have creativity in your squad. That is what pisses me off about Sir Alex Ferguson. Grea manager but he is in the process of ruining one of the most promising footballers in the world by playing him a a more defensive role.

Anderson is an ATTACKING CREATIVE MIDFIELD like Ronaldinho, not a box to box, defensive mid like he always plays.

After being able to watch the kid play for a year and a half at Porto i know the potential he has. He was toying iwth grown men at the age of 17-18 in the portuguese league and teh champions league. His dribbling and passing game has the potential to be one of greatest players of his generation. He has proved that in all youth competitions he has played in winning player of the tournaments and such ahead of players like Vela, Messi, Aguero, etc... You guys have a world beater on your squad and are not using him properly. Package him back to Porto please or anybody else in Spain and/or Italy as it hurts watching him being wasted.

I have respect for Sir Alex, but for every player he has been able to make better their are various examples of potential world class footballers that he has ruined.

LET ANDERSON PLAY!!!

Also, Portuguese papers and some english papers have reported you guys are interested in Porto's Portugal International Centreback ROLANDO---Fee reported being 15 to 18 million euros.

Cheers guys

 

[cmc211]

Hey there Fellas, just wanted to stop by and commend you guys for being the best community here at SG. I dont post much anymore because the Madrid thread turned into a joke, but I do come often to read your posts as a collective. I dont like Man United but you guys make it enjoyable!. There is very little trolling from you guys to other places and generally speaking nothing but love for your club....very cool to see.

Keep it up!

Diouf scored a hattrick this evening in a reserve game against Sunderland. Seems to have settled well in just two weeks.....

His first goal was fantastic (and 3rd goal too). It was an awesome combination of dribble and shooting. He reminds a bit of Saha (from style and height) but hope he won't be an injury prone. He got a good talent of flexibility and scoring and hope his scoring will continue.

 

[MikeyM]

U guys have creativity in your squad. That is what pisses me off about Sir Alex Ferguson. Grea manager but he is in the process of ruining one of the most promising footballers in the world by playing him a a more defensive role.

Anderson is an ATTACKING CREATIVE MIDFIELD like Ronaldinho, not a box to box, defensive mid like he always plays.

After being able to watch the kid play for a year and a half at Porto i know the potential he has. He was toying iwth grown men at the age of 17-18 in the portuguese league and teh champions league. His dribbling and passing game has the potential to be one of greatest players of his generation. He has proved that in all youth competitions he has played in winning player of the tournaments and such ahead of players like Vela, Messi, Aguero, etc... You guys have a world beater on your squad and are not using him properly. Package him back to Porto please or anybody else in Spain and/or Italy as it hurts watching him being wasted.

I have respect for Sir Alex, but for every player he has been able to make better their are various examples of potential world class footballers that he has ruined.

LET ANDERSON PLAY!!!

Also, Portuguese papers and some english papers have reported you guys are interested in Porto's Portugal International Centreback ROLANDO---Fee reported being 15 to 18 million euros.

Cheers guys

I have to admit, I would love to see Anderson really let of the leash. However because of the adaptation he's shown I don't know if he would get the chance.

I think also he really needs a goal for his confidence, he doesn't look like he has faith in himself sometimes, and that holds him back.

 

[Mandieta6]

You've been saying that for a while now. He already scored that goal at the start of the season. Now he's either never gonna be worth it, or Fergie needs to learn how to use him. That latter part has been true in respect to a bunch of players recently, too. Berbatov and Rooney come to mind.

 

[AsmodaiPlay]

Hey there Fellas, just wanted to stop by and commend you guys for being the best community here at SG. I dont post much anymore because the Madrid thread turned into a joke, but I do come often to read your posts as a collective. I dont like Man United but you guys make it enjoyable!. There is very little trolling from you guys to other places and generally speaking nothing but love for your club....very cool to see.

Keep it up!

I think this forum is good in general tbh, you can actually have a sensible conversation with people on here. On the EA forums its a spam fest with kids posting junk and calling each other glory hunters if they disagree on something lol.

U guys have creativity in your squad. That is what pisses me off about Sir Alex Ferguson. Grea manager but he is in the process of ruining one of the most promising footballers in the world by playing him a a more defensive role.

Anderson is an ATTACKING CREATIVE MIDFIELD like Ronaldinho, not a box to box, defensive mid like he always plays.

After being able to watch the kid play for a year and a half at Porto i know the potential he has. He was toying iwth grown men at the age of 17-18 in the portuguese league and teh champions league. His dribbling and passing game has the potential to be one of greatest players of his generation. He has proved that in all youth competitions he has played in winning player of the tournaments and such ahead of players like Vela, Messi, Aguero, etc... You guys have a world beater on your squad and are not using him properly. Package him back to Porto please or anybody else in Spain and/or Italy as it hurts watching him being wasted.

I have respect for Sir Alex, but for every player he has been able to make better their are various examples of potential world class footballers that he has ruined.

LET ANDERSON PLAY!!!

Also, Portuguese papers and some english papers have reported you guys are interested in Porto's Portugal International Centreback ROLANDO---Fee reported being 15 to 18 million euros.

Cheers guys

I agree about Anderson. Fletcher can do the defensive work well so I think just let Anderson have a free role with possibly Giggs tucking inside to cover if needs be. I reckon he could be a great player if he was able to do this, a few opposition fans call him a flop which I find a bit disappointing because I genuinely believe the ability is there.

I hope that Rolando deal doesn't go through, don't really want to see us spending that kind of money on a defender. I'd rather have a target man type striker or a creative midfielder if anything.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I think Anderson didn't do bad for us so far. He just badly needs to improve his communication skills and improve his decision making. His passing rate hasn't been that great as well. Around 65% most of the time which is quite disappointing.

Many people tend to criticise him but forget that he's only 21 years of age and has the potential to blossom into a great player in the future for us. I think we should stick to both Nani and Anderson. They have the skills and potential. They just need to know how to use them.

And BTW the bond issue has been confirmed by United.

Manchester United have successfully raised £504million through a controversial bond issue that has caused some opposition from fans.

The money will enable United to pay off most of the club's current £509m debt and could help the Glazer family tackle the £202m payment in loans which continues to grow.

Red Devils officials, including chief executive David Gill, have been on a world tour to drum up interest in the bonds, which will run until February 2017.

Doubt was cast over the prospects of being able to sell them, but they have been over-subscribed.

However, the interest payment on the bonds will be £45m compared to the current £41million on the bank loans.

A spokesman for the Glazer family claimed the deal will bring a 'transparency' to United's finances for the next seven years.

The deal is expected to give the club's owners more flexibility in the running of the Old Trafford outfit, and could bring them leeway to make some new signings.

 

[kp41]

Manchester United get new sponsor

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22012010/58/premier-league-manchester-united-new-sponsor.html

btw, I'm agree with Mikey. I think Media are exaggerating the current financial issues and mentioning the shift of power in Manchester at the same moment.

I'm sure United fans will stand behind their team till the last moment like the way they did it till Sir Alex era.

about Anderson. He should be more deadly and opportunist to play in that position like the young scholes. His shooting really sucks, he barely shoots on target.

If you read the Artycle, you will be more relax about the current issues.

 

[MikeyM]

I think Anderson didn't do bad for us so far. He just badly needs to improve his communication skills and improve his decision making. His passing rate hasn't been that great as well. Around 65% most of the time which is quite disappointing.

Many people tend to criticise him but forget that he's only 21 years of age and has the potential to blossom into a great player in the future for us. I think we should stick to both Nani and Anderson. They have the skills and potential. They just need to know how to use them.

And BTW the bond issue has been confirmed by United.

Thanks Nady, concrete facts at last, and at least it sounds like the Bond issue will be successful (in that it's oversubscribed) Whilst not ideal, it does at least look better than the media prognosis.

And just for the record, I think Anderson is brilliant and will be a great player for us (especially in his preferred role). Nani has the talent, but I feel he's running out of time with Sir Alex, and possibly the constant comparisons to Ronaldo have affected him. If he can settle down and concentrate on being himself then he will be the player we all know he can be.

 

[mnj2x]

man have been waiting for RIo so so long. Finally. Hopefully he puts in a good shift. Cant expect alot as he needs match fitness and that comes with games under his belt. Now for vida to return and i will feel more hopeful of our chances of winning silverware this season. Defence he has been a real issue throughout the season for us.

As for anderson, how can you compare him with Ronaldinho? His shooting is nowwhere near the ability of ronaldinho's. Hes got potential and he is full of energy and he needs to improve certain aspects of his game. But i know we have a gem in anderson.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Dont know if any of you guys have noticed. A campaign is underway to encourage all United fans to wear green and gold during matches (our original Newton Heath colours), until the Glazers leave. This has spread like wildfire through the internet and many United fans are expected to go at the Hull game in Gold and Green. That's a sort of protest in a way to show their feelings towards the takeover.

Our 1993-1994 3rd kit which was a retro of the Newton Heath colours:

 

[MikeyM]

As for anderson, how can you compare him with Ronaldinho? His shooting is nowwhere near the ability of ronaldinho's. Hes got potential and he is full of energy and he needs to improve certain aspects of his game. But i know we have a gem in anderson.

Well he is a similar style of player to Ronaldinho, but of course he's not on the same level (yet) I was comparing player styles and Anderson was widely hailed as the "new Ronaldinho" at Porto.

 

[AsmodaiPlay]

Michael Owen is starting today. Hoping he does well.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, Rafael Da Silva, Ferdinand, Jonathan Evans, Evra, Nani, Scholes, Fletcher, Park, Owen, Rooney.

Subs: Kuszczak, Brown, Berbatov, Carrick, Fabio Da Silva, Valencia, Gibson.

There's the full team, so Rio is starting but Vidic doesn't seem to have made it.

Btw, just to let you all know ESPN is free to watch over this weekend (in the UK anyway) and theres some decent games on there. Roma vs Juventus, Dortmund vs Hamburg, Hoffenheim vs Leverkusen and the Milan derby. Plus an interview with Beckham

 

[Pogba4Now]

1-0 at half time. Could have been 3 or 4 nil easily had our finishing been better. Nani is having a great game so far. Nice to see.

 

[kp41]

Owen deserved to score a goal, it's a shame that he didn't score that fatastic last minute chance (the one that Nani made for him).

About Nani, maybe he can play better at Right side????

 

[kp41]

I saw my mate
The other day
He said to me he's seen the white Pele
So i asked, 'who is he?'
He said 'He goes by the name of Wayne Rooney'
Wayne Rooney Wayne Rooney
He goes by the name of Wayne Rooney​

Deserved win, United played very well in a first half and in the last 20 minutes. though it became a little bit ugly at the end, that Rio shoulder and second goal (when one of them was injured).

Maybe we are one dimensional Rooney team but it works damn well, Oh yeahhhh. I wish Glazers don't sell him.

 

[mnj2x]

Great win but we were pretty wasteful and that gave Hull encouragement. Should have killed the game off much much earlier. Nani was just immense! one of his best games for us. Now he just needs a run of games. Rooney..took his chances well. And i thought Rio did well for his 1st game in a long time. Had a swing at fagan that went unnoticed. Daft thing to do. Back where we belong boys! The top!

 

[Pogba4Now]

What the hell. 4 goals for Rooney Didn't expect that. Players who made the difference were Rooney and Nani. I also have a feeling he does much much better on the right. Delivers more crosses. Glad that he finally got an assist on his name after so many great crosses today. Finally starting to show his worth.

So 19 goals in 22 games for Rooney this season. Impressive ratio. If you compare his goalscoring stats with Torres or Drogba: 12 in 15 and 14 in 18. Rooney's ratio is the greatest.

Back to the top for now. Arsenal with 1 game in hand and Chelsea 2 games in hand.

 

[kp41]

Back where we belong boys! The top!

yeah it feels great despite the fact that it may just last 72 hours.

I hope it boosts our morale against Man City and Tevez.

 

[Help?]

Dont know if any of you guys have noticed. A campaign is underway to encourage all United fans to wear green and gold during matches (our original Newton Heath colours), until the Glazers leave. This has spread like wildfire through the internet and many United fans are expected to go at the Hull game in Gold and Green. That's a sort of protest in a way to show their feelings towards the takeover.

Our 1993-1994 3rd kit which was a retro of the Newton Heath colours:

How will this kick Glazers out though?


Owen reminds me of Shevchenko so much. It seems like he has no confidence with his shooting at all. Great game from Rooney and Nani, surprisingly. Did somebody tell Fabio to cut his hair because he was too similar to Rafael?