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Manchester United [2012-2013]

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adedawson

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welbeck and giggs were amazing. This team will go far in the future we got some crackers coming through.

Its just a shame we got a red card but these things happen, these reds and penalties tend to balance out over time.

I think we would have scraped that if it wasn't for the send off, we had so many chances through the game.

Was kinda disappointed RVP didn't score on his chances, on another day he would of buried some of them.

Credit is due to reals keeper, he was epic! He saved a number of goals, he wasn't letting anything in.

Reals attack wasn't all that before the send off, Alonso and Ronaldo were kept well under control. Real pummeled us directly after the send off, pity we couldn't contain them but thats almost impossible with teams of this quality with a man down. The same would of happened vice versa.

United did well to keep going, were lucky we didn't get countered even more, I'm Gutted.
 

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Interesting article, I didn't really think Rooney was under threat to be sold, but this article makes a lot of good points. Real game did seem to have a bit of a Beckham, RvN-type feeling about it for Rooney.


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ne-rooney-has-an-air-of-finality-8523545.html


When one of Sir Alex Ferguson's predecessors was summoned to the Old Trafford boardroom to hear his fate he conjured a sharp line in dark humour.


"A nice day for an execution," Frank O'Farrell declared to a colleague. Wayne Rooney might have said something similar all these years later when he took his seat on the bench this week. But, of course, there was a huge difference.

Managers go down routinely. It is not so often that great players, or at least those in whom such a possibility is still entertained, are as starkly declassified as Rooney was before 11 club-mates went out to face Real Madrid. Still, when his wife Coleen tweeted her disbelief there was only one harsh but inevitable response. Where had she been this last year or so?

Did she not notice the increasingly restive body language of the man who three years ago still believed sufficiently in her husband to approve a new contract demand that came in the form of an ambush and resulted in a deal worth £250,000 a week? Did she not pick up a growing pattern of disapproval, the summary dropping and imposition of a £200,000 fine a little over a year ago and since then the subtly disparaging references to his need for the match fitness provided by a few more games and the special difficulties created by his body shape?

In one defining scene the mobster played by Robert De Niro in the film Goodfellas takes a long and withering look at an accomplice who has outlived his value to the firm. It was something that resembled a fatal glare and there have been quite a number of these directed at Rooney by Ferguson.

None of them came, though, with the sense of finality that accompanied Ferguson's decision to leave Rooney out of United's most important game of this and several other seasons. Analysts of the Ferguson style have been quick to point out precedents which say that such a decision is inevitably followed by some final rejection. David Beckham and Ruud van Nistelrooy are the supreme examples of former favourites who had passed the point of reprieve, and Roy Keane, who also felt the final chill of Ferguson's disapproval, was quick to tell the nation that Rooney probably guaranteed his fate, sooner or later, when he made his contract rebellion.

Here at least though there are grounds for serious dispute. Ferguson has never been hell-bent on revenge for its own sake. Performance has always been the acid test and when he signed Robin van Persie last season you didn't have to be one of the great code-breakers to understand that above all it was a statement that Rooney was no longer considered fit for the highest purpose.

When the first signs of rift were so discernible early last year, Rooney was underpinned by the fact that he could produce the kind of feats which still made him Ferguson's most important player. The goal he scored against Manchester City at Old Trafford in 2011 came with the suggestion that in his mid-twenties he might again find some of the intuitive brilliance that once persuaded the likes of Arsène Wenger and Johnny Giles that he had the potential to be one of the great players not just of the moment but the history of the game.

Of course, Rooney will continue to produce evidence of a remarkable talent. A few days before his bitter humiliation at Old Trafford, he scored a spectacular goal against Norwich City. But plainly it did not convince his manager that he had a place against Real. If the goal was special by Premier League standards much of his other work wasn't. Indeed, the consensus was that a lot of it was laboured and when the smoke had cleared from the match against Real so seriously distorted by the red card handed to Nani, there was another blow for Rooney.

It was that Ferguson's team selection and tactical approach had proved impressively judicious. The mobility and poise of Danny Welbeck handsomely repaid Ferguson's confidence and with Van Persie so entrenched in the role of the new main man, Rooney, at 27, has surely never contemplated a less certain future.

Who knows, the effect may create a new determination as he moves towards the final two years of his sweet-heart contract. He may conjure, with more consistency, some of the best of his past, but the odds against any re-construction of the aura that was so perceptible after some brilliant virtuosity in a Cup tie against Middlesbrough six years ago have maybe never been so steep.

Then, one of his goals had the easy touch of something approaching genius and when he gunned his new sports car away from Old Trafford two youths raced through the halting traffic in pursuit. He was the Pied Piper but this week the music was gone. Wherever he goes now, or if he stays, his audience is unlikely to be ever again anywhere near so rapt.

Ferguson didn't break a spell this week. He simply imposed reality.
 

adedawson

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eh, as if... but we should get a better idea at the press conference. "Rubbish, next question".

These rumors all started from keane's comments pre match. It looked to be purely tactical.
 

adedawson

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and there you have it, Saf called rubbish and banned all newspapers that suggested otherwise, until public apologies are made. He does have a certain finesse in handling these things.
 

ShiftyPowers

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It's not the most far fetched suggestion, but United isn't like Arsenal, they have a history of keeping their players into old age and still getting good production. They could pocket 40m and/or use it to buy Gotze or someone like that, but even with all the debt Man U doesn't really have to be a selling club.
 

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ShiftyPowers;3418827 said:
It's not the most far fetched suggestion, but United isn't like Arsenal, they have a history of keeping their players into old age and still getting good production. They could pocket 40m and/or use it to buy Gotze or someone like that, but even with all the debt Man U doesn't really have to be a selling club.

Their debt is quite manageable after the IPO

I dont buy what Ferguson said, he said the same with Beckham and RvN until eventually they started playing less and less.

Rooney can play any attacking position well and he couldve started ahead of Nani or Welbeck.
 

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We play at home, it shouldn't be a problem. Sunderland in two weeks though that could pose a lot of problems. That game after international break will be crucial.

On another note, we play City after Sunderland. Which means that we can win the EPL at Old Trafford by beating City!

I just hope that we will still be in the FA Cup by that point, but not sure how realistic that will be.
 

Pogba4Now

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Very boring game. van Persie's form is horrible. He should rest for 2-3 weeks. He was unproductive in the past couple of games including Real Madrid.

EDIT: That dribble from Ferdinand was fantastic. Ferdinand > Ronaldinho.
 

Pogba4Now

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What a terrible game. Winning the title isn't gonna be special if we keep playing like that. We have been poor in many games this season and competing teams have been even worse. The EPL, despite having many stars is at its lowest I have seen in a very long time. Even Bundesliga teams are performing better this season.
 

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nady;3424157 said:
What a terrible game. Winning the title isn't gonna be special if we keep playing like that. We have been poor in many games this season and competing teams have been even worse. The EPL, despite having many stars is at its lowest I have seen in a very long time. Even Bundesliga teams are performing better this season.

Aw come on, we're better than Serie A now
 

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You got RVP in horrible form that doesn't seem to have an end and you have Chicharito who scores pretty much every chance he's given rotting in the bench. Nice going, old man.


Chicharo can't get out of this situation fast enough.
 
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