Macedonia - England

[Caponedawg]

I found myself cheering hard for England. The Macedonia players made fools out of themselves a couple of days before the game talking trash to the English players. Saying how they would knowwhat hit them. Big talk from a team that had already been eliminated.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
Everyone who says that the macedonians were racist, before they actually know what they meant, don't even understand what they said. They may have made it sound racist, but it doesn't mean that it was. I may be wrong, but almost all of you are saying that all macedonians are racist, which is racist.

I haven't said once that all Macedonians are racist but as proved tonight there were racist Macedonian fans in that ground! They were certainly making themslves heard so there was a lot of them.

 

[Caponedawg]

Originally posted by aytacyolas
.But Turkish fans are very friendly and we dont have much to do at all." maybe you english guys gotta take a msg out of this? maybe your hooligan fans are driving macedonians crazy? did you ever think bout that?

total bull****. Turkey fans totally disrespected the United States during our national anthem at the Confeds. Cup. Turkish fans friendly? Give me a break. Is that why UEFA investigated you?

 

[champdave]

Originally posted by aytacyolas
tottiiii, england has to beat liechtenstein too.and i wanna say something that a liechtenstein policeman said today to press before Liechtenstein - Turkey match. He said "there's 5 times less policemen today than england match here.When the english came, they just got drunk and attacked everywhere.They were very violent and caused damage.But Turkish fans are very friendly and we dont have much to do at all." maybe you english guys gotta take a msg out of this? maybe your hooligan fans are driving macedonians crazy? did you ever think bout that?

- There were about 50 england supporters

- Turkey arent hooligans, just passionate individuals who carry knives, weapons

- If Turkish fans don't cause trouble my name is Doris.

- There weren't really any reports of violence after/in the match.

- Racist chants on Emile and Sol =

- England win

Basic points that bring the point across.

 

[Limberopoulos21]

I doubt they said something racist when those certain players had the ball, because there a few players on the macedonian team that are black and do play in the macedonian league.

 

[.::John::.]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
Everyone who says that the macedonians were racist, before they actually know what they meant, don't even understand what they said. They may have made it sound racist, but it doesn't mean that it was. I may be wrong, but almost all of you are saying that all macedonians are racist, which is racist.

I don't think people were labelling all Macedonians racists, I'm sure the majority of the population there are not racist at all. But the fact is that over the last few years, many of the Eastern European countries seem to have seen an increase in the amount of racist chanting at football matches. There are racists in every country in the world, but at the moment, there seems to be more racists in Eastern Europe than anywhere else (at least that is what is represented by their crowds).

And I think you should probably stop trying to say that there were no racists. They were there, Macedonia will get fined and no matter what you think, thoses are the facts.

 

[shokz]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
I doubt they said something racist when those certain players had the ball, because there a few players on the macedonian team that are black and do play in the macedonian league.

then some of those Macedonians must be must be pretty color blind then.

Carry on defending them all you want, they will still get punished sooner or later.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
I doubt they said something racist when those certain players had the ball, because there a few players on the macedonian team that are black and do play in the macedonian league.

They din't say anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They monkey chanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is a form of racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Limberopoulos21]

Originally posted by Caponedawg
total bull****. Turkey fans totally disrespected the United States during our national anthem at the Confeds. Cup. Turkish fans friendly? Give me a break. Is that why UEFA investigated you?

Didn't american fans and canadian fans were booing the national anthem at hockey and basketball games a while ago. Face the truth, there's no country in the world that doesn't have racist fans.

 

[johnnyboyuk]

tottiiii, england has to beat liechtenstein too.and i wanna say something that a liechtenstein policeman said today to press before Liechtenstein - Turkey match. He said "there's 5 times less policemen today than england match here.When the english came, they just got drunk and attacked everywhere.They were very violent and caused damage.But Turkish fans are very friendly and we dont have much to do at all." maybe you english guys gotta take a msg out of this? maybe your hooligan fans are driving macedonians crazy? did you ever think bout that?

Just a quick question, what the **** are you chattin about?? As i recall, there was actually very little, if any, problem with England "supporters" at the Liechtenstein game so please shut up.

So we should take the message that it is okay to carry weapons and use them in violence?? okay....

You are incredibly ignorant or plain stoopid. The fans were quite obviously making monkey noises aimed at David James and Emile Heskey, now if you are condoning this sort of action, then you are incredibly retarded..... Furthermore, English fans never boo individual players regardless of race or anything as ridiculously as was seen tonight.

 

[Run DMB]

Originally posted by aytacyolas
But Turkish fans are very friendly and we dont have much to do at all." maybe you english guys gotta take a msg out of this? maybe your hooligan fans are driving macedonians crazy? did you ever think bout that?

LMAO! That's going in my sig.

 

[Limberopoulos21]

I forgot, english fans are the perfect supporters, best in the world, never done anything wrong.

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
Didn't american fans and canadian fans were booing the national anthem at hockey and basketball games a while ago. Face the truth, there's no country in the world that doesn't have racist fans.

Why are you changing the subject? Why can't you just accept the fact that the Macedonian fans were being cruel to James and Hesky? Making gorilla and monkey noises is just plain sickening.

 

[TOON ARMY]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
I forgot, english fans are the perfect supporters, best in the world, never done anything wrong.

We're not disputing the fact that England fans can behave very badly during international games.

 

[johnnyboyuk]

Actually, any English person will admit that there are morans who claim to be supporters of the national team, but we don't condone any of their stupid actions. The point is that you defend blatant racism....

 

[Limberopoulos21]

Originally posted by aytacyolas
tottiiii, england has to beat liechtenstein too.and i wanna say something that a liechtenstein policeman said today to press before Liechtenstein - Turkey match. He said "there's 5 times less policemen today than england match here.When the english came, they just got drunk and attacked everywhere.They were very violent and caused damage.But Turkish fans are very friendly and we dont have much to do at all." maybe you english guys gotta take a msg out of this? maybe your hooligan fans are driving macedonians crazy? did you ever think bout that?

I think what he meant, weren't the english or macedonian fans at the game, but the ones here.

 

[shokz]

Originally posted by Limberopoulos21
I forgot, english fans are the perfect supporters, best in the world, never done anything wrong.

Who said we were perfect? No country is perfect. Again, you are changing the topic, we are on about this GAME.

Face the truth, some Macedonian fans were racist this evening.

Originally posted by johnnyboyuk
Actually, any English person will admit that there are morans who claim to be supporters of the national team, but we don't condone any of their stupid actions. The point is that you defend blatant racism....

Well said. Hooligans should be locked up.

 

[Wilx]

Whatever your opinion on the chanting - which was racist, you can hardly deny seeing them burn an England flag in full view of the TV cameras - disgusting...

Some english 'fans' are idiots who cause trouble - I'll admit that. I'm also a little concerned that some England fans ignored the FA directly asking them NOT TO GO to the match.

However some of the behaviour in the group matches has been atrocious, and should result in some sort of suspension/ban for the nations responsible.

 

[Limberopoulos21]

Originally posted by BVD-BorussDort
Why are you changing the subject? Why can't you just accept the fact that the Macedonian fans were being cruel to James and Hesky? Making gorilla and monkey noises is just plain sickening.

I only said that because it shows that it's not just some really stupid people in eastern europe that are racist. I'm not a expert, none of us know what they said exactly. It could be monkey sounds,but I'm just stating that it's possible they said something that was in macedonian. Nobody should be certain of what they said unless they have analyzed what was said.

Most of you aren't racist, but before there is racist people who said some racist things in this thread.

 

[Limberopoulos21]

Originally posted by Zidane420
The person from Eurosport commented on the racist chanting about five times. East Europe is a **** hole of racists. Being Macadonian yourself I would think you would understand monkey noises.

This my example. I have sided with macedonia, but mostly because I don't want to say they were racists, when there's a posibility they weren't.