Lille - Manchester United [R]

[Seán D]

coomon now lads, keep the debate civil

 

[ShearerM4]

not really, he's right in the sense that both situations imply disregard for common courtesy and sportsmanship.

... but wildly different degrees.

I think one of the main issues here is a difference in customs. In England this "problem" arose a couple of years ago and it was decided that free kicks could be taken early, like any other ones are all around the pitch. But in France common sense isn't really that prominent.

So when it comes to playing in Europe it's as if there are two sets of rules and the ref has to choose. A bit like a few months ago, Bordeaux played Liverpool at Anfield and Riise got headbutted because Liverpool didn't put the ball out after a Bordeaux player was down injured. In England it's been decided you didn't have to kick the ball out.

 

[untouchable]

oh you obviously do, you wouldn't have brought the "portuguese cheaters" thing up if you didn't.

shows a lot about your age/lack or arguments though.

It wasnt only England fans booing your team at the WC buddy BUT lets not get off track. You're running on pure emotion, pure hatred of Manchester United, so what argument is there to have?? Giggs, according to the letter of the law CAN TAKE THE FREEKICK QUICKLY IF THE REFEREE SAYS HE CAN. CASED CLOSED. The Odemwingie goal is rightly disallowed because YOU CAN NOT SHOVE SOMEONE OUT OF THE WAY TO GET TO THE BALL. CASE CLOSED. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT, GET IT THROUGH YOU THICK SKULL.

 

[Seán D]

not really, he's right in the sense that both situations imply disregard for common courtesy and sportsmanship.

But I don't believe it is unsportsman like. They brought it on themselves. It's in the rules. The object of the game is to win. What did you want? Giggs to walk up to the keeper and ask if he was ready?

As I said, I do not believe it is unsportsman like, but I can see where people who feel the opposite come from.

 

[Seán D]

It wasnt only England fans booing your team at the WC buddy BUT lets not get off track. You're running on pure emotion, pure hatred of Manchester United, so what argument is there to have?? Giggs, according to the letter of the law CAN TAKE THE FREEKICK QUICKLY IF THE REFEREE SAYS HE CAN. CASED CLOSED. The Odemwingie goal is rightly disallowed because YOU CAN NOT SHOVE SOMEONE OUT OF THE WAY TO GET TO THE BALL. CASE CLOSED. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT, GET IT THROUGH YOU THICK SKULL.

Relax dude. Try not to be so hostile. It doesn't make you look good when you come out like that. If we keep it calm I think we can debate it fairly here.

 

[Num Lock]

lol some of you manu fans are awesome, your team played one of the smallest teams in ligue 1 and you had to resort to a loophole to win a game and you still think they were the greatest team and played with utmost class.

good luck on the next phase, you'll prolly need it.

 

[Internazionale]

from the neutral point of view, it's not fair for big club Manchester United to win like this.

But, a goal is a goal.

 

[Seán D]

There are no easy teams in the last 16 of the Champions League. and I for one think we were very lucky to escape with a win. but meh, what can you do. I'd hardly call the rule a loophole, it's there to be used.

 

[ShearerM4]

The point of the rule is that Lille were the team who committed a foul... and they should be doubly rewarded for halting the ManUtd play? hardly.

 

[Callum]

Maybe lille;s keeper should be ready for the free kick, The ref did walk away from the spot and did not signal at all that the free kick was to be restarted on his whistle, so can you all shut the **** up?

 

[Help?]

All these Manc Fans have short memories. I remember them complaining how Terry didnt foul Ricardo at Euro 04 and now that Odemwingie foul was a definate one.

Way to generalize, especially on something that's still debatable and happened 2.5 years ago.

Ya sure there. Vidic was "diving", all ready falling over before odemwingie actually gave him a little (typical) shove. If thats a foul then there would be like 5 penalties a game, especially off corners. The real question is, would the ref had blowed the whistle if it was the other way around.

Vidic was running to the net and getting ready to head the ball away and as he was running odemwingie pushed him. The replays showed that quite clearly.

I also recall all these Manc fans talking **** about Henry when he was doing that. Now lets say Giggs missed that freekick, I can bet you all the REF WOULD TELL HIM TO RETAKE IT. Everytime somebody does that and misses thats what always happens.

Care to give an example? And if you know so much on freekicks like that, then shouldn't you know better that you are actually allowed to do that? Why do you think teams have been putting players in front of the ball?

Last thing - You all always talk about fair play and class, and what Giggs did there was CLASSLESS. Now correct me if im wrong, doesnt the ref have to blow the whistle before a direct free kick is taken. I knew he really doenst on a indirect one.

No, he doesn't have to. I don't even know where you got that idea from.

Again, i really dont care about either teams, albeit i hate some Manchester players with a pasion, i do agree with Virgo and hate the fact that i watched this farce of a game. Its always the little guys that get ****ed.

wow I'm sorry to burst your bubbles and actually defending the small clubs for a change. As I said I dont give a f*ck about any of the teams just got pissed of wasting my time watching this farse.

Had this happened to your team you'd be absolutely fuming and you know it.

I think you two just hate Manchester United and England because of recent history, therefore you attack them like that and make it seem like they did something wrong. Had it been United vs. Milan, you would probably be saying the exact same thing.


The whole world knows about quick freekicks, has french players been living under the rock? There is absolutely nothing to complain and bitch about, a rule is a rule, why the **** should it be bent in a situation because it would seem harsh on a team? The argument is simply ridiculous, there is nothing to argue, its like saying that players shouldn't be getting a penalty kick when tripped in the box because the other player was actually trying to kick the ball but accidently missed. Find a decent argument to talk about, then maybe we can actually debate something.




As for the dissallowed goal, here it is: http://www.dailymotion.com/bobrivers/video/2121160

Watch it closely and then try to tell me that Vidic dived. You have to be blind to still think that it wasn't a foul.

Telling us to take off our red-tinted glasses, you are the ones wearing red hate-tinted glasses. I don't see anybody else, except portugese fans complaining here, supposedly acting as underdog agents, give me a break, let that **** go already.

 

[ShearerM4]

Dive may be an overstatement, was clearly an overreaction by Vidic though.

Great interview of Sir Alex :funny:

 

[Fernandez]

Odemwingie should get his arse kicked for his post-match comments. I wanted Vidic to break his leg or something like that.

 

[garlei]

the goal stands.
It was a free kick taken quickly, many have done it before, it is part of the game.

What's sad about this game is the lack of sportsmanship from the Lille players considering to walk off the pitch, and the violence off the pitch within the stands. Tear gas had to be deployed. Something tragic was very soon to happen, fortunately the situation did not escalate.

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Ferguson also said Dutch ref Eric Braamhaar was right to let Giggs’ goal stand after allowing him to take his free-kick before Lille were ready.

He said: “Ryan asked if he could take it quickly and the ref gave him permission. It is allowed. I have seen it in English football many times.”
Giggs confirmed: “The referee asked did I want the whistle. I said no, put the ball down and took the opportunity to put the ball in the net.”

 

[phrase]

All this talk about United or Giggs having no class or sportmanship.Its all pure bias hatred towards United.4 pages of useless rantings and nobody mentioned anything about Odemwingie helping the Ref to make up his mind by booking Vidic.That for me is shameful and classless.

 

[garlei]

Dive may be an overstatement, was clearly an overreaction by Vidic though.

Great interview of Sir Alex :funny:

Sir Alex still chewing gum at all times to calm himself down

 

[barthez4]

the guy barely touched Vidic who felt the other guy and totally made a meal of it.

Vidic is hard as nails, there's no way in hell he would lose balance with a touch like that.

And no I'm not retarded but thanks for asking.

It's quite the giveaway for a push when your arms are IN and then go OUT, right into the back of a defender. It's a routine header for Vidic, and he clearly would've gotten it if not for the push. I really don't see the controversy in that situation.

Nor do I see controversy in United's goal. A rule is a rule is a rule. The ball had stopped rolling, was in the correct spot, the ref acknowledged that Giggs/Rooney weren't asking for ten. You don't have to have a whistle or a "go ahead" movement from the ref unless you've actually stopped to ask for ten. Generally, the player who commits the foul stands in front of the ball to stop the quick free kick; in this case, he didn't, and Giggs took advantage. It's a harsh goal for Lille to give up, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

 

[didy]

Referee 1- Lille 0. Odemwingie did not even touch or lean on Vidic, looks like someone has been taking lessons from Ronaldo. Struggling with Lille eh i bet your looking forward to the QF's because i am.

 

[Bobby]

Odemwingie should play for Uzbekistan. Disgusting.

 

[Holeinone]

It's quite the giveaway for a push when your arms are IN and then go OUT, right into the back of a defender. It's a routine header for Vidic, and he clearly would've gotten it if not for the push. I really don't see the controversy in that situation.

Nor do I see controversy in United's goal. A rule is a rule is a rule. The ball had stopped rolling, was in the correct spot, the ref acknowledged that Giggs/Rooney weren't asking for ten. You don't have to have a whistle or a "go ahead" movement from the ref unless you've actually stopped to ask for ten. Generally, the player who commits the foul stands in front of the ball to stop the quick free kick; in this case, he didn't, and Giggs took advantage. It's a harsh goal for Lille to give up, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Problem with the Giggs free kick, the ref looked like he was facing the goal. Personally those goals are like diving in the box and getting a penalty, UEFA must sort that out, because gk are helpless in that position.