Is death an acceptable risk for being a GK?

[kaycee2g]

and if anything, Harewood's challenge is even more dubious in terms of intent as he actually lunged in after the whistle had gone. Whereas Hunt just kept running in a straight line.

But it being an NUFC fan saying that won't mean much I guess.

yet again, u prove my point that u have a disregard for human life. As a NUFC fan, if u respected the life of Given and thought that his life was important u would have opened a thread discussing this issue, apparently, u think Given is a piece of meat.

Its sad, becus it seems as if its only chelsea who really care for the welfare of their players.. look at how the fans went on the field to celebrate and congratulate the players at the end of it all... thats called love and team spirit!!! In this hard times, Newcastle needs a lot of that..or relegation beckons.

 

[Bobby]

sadly, u contribute to an issue u seem to know absolutely nothing about. The bane of our society, if u ask me!

*** just to educate you, petr Cech had full control of the ball, it was not a 50/50, it was a 100/0.

Liam's actually played goalkeeper for a proper club, kaycee

 

[kaycee2g]

there you go more self-righteousness at it's best well done KC

Thank you, kindly!!! it may do u well to learn from me.. william Shakespeare did!

 

[ShearerM4]

yet again, u prove my point that u have a disregard for human life. As a NUFC fan, if u respected the life of Given and thought that his life was important u would have opened a thread discussing this issue, apparently, u think Given is a piece of meat.

yeah you're right. Because I didn't discuss the issue on SG or a forum that YOU also post on, then I'm a heartless moron.

 

[kaycee2g]

Liam's actually played goalkeeper for a proper club, kaycee

And i am happy for him. i trust he made lots of money?

The Issue he knows absolutely nothing about is not goal keeping. its the incident that occured on saturday. if he saw that incident and knew anything about it, he will not be here today talking about 50/50, when even a blind man would have seen that cech had the ball and it was a 100/0. sad!

 

[kaycee2g]

yeah you're right. Because I didn't discuss the issue on SG or a forum that YOU also post on, then I'm a heartless moron.

U seem to be coming together now. i am glad u are begining to see things the way they truely are. Only if u had been this subservient earlier on. there would have been no need for u to be nasty towards me!

Now, lets all go back to our positions. Me, to the top of the league and tackling the European champions and you.... to the sad prospects of facing coventry and barnet next season! good nite!

 

[ShearerM4]

And i am happy for him. i trust he made lots of money?

The Issue he knows absolutely nothing about is not goal keeping. its the incident that occured on saturday. if he saw that incident and knew anything about it, he will not be here today talking about 50/50, when even a blind man would have seen that cech had the ball and it was a 100/0. sad!

Do you even know how to read???

Liam said: "If its a 50/50 ball go for it, you've every right."

He was talking about the issue of keeper over protection in general!! NOT about this particular incident. But thanks for once more showing everyone you're a presumptuous fool.

 

[ShearerM4]

Now, lets all go back to our positions. Me, to the top of the league and tackling the European champions and you.... to the sad prospects of facing coventry and barnet next season! good nite!

thought you hated english football? but you are a chelsea fanboy? giving people grief for supporting their team while you're a glory hunting cry baby is hardly impressive. Anyway go away and don't come back.

 

[MaestroZidane]

Do you even know how to read???

Liam said: "If its a 50/50 ball go for it, you've every right."

He was talking about the issue of keeper over protection in general!! NOT about this particular incident. But thanks for once more showing everyone you're a presumptuous fool.

Wanted to stay away from this but decide to jump in and agree with you M4TT..

 

[Bobby]

And i am happy for him. i trust he made lots of money?

The Issue he knows absolutely nothing about is not goal keeping. its the incident that occured on saturday. if he saw that incident and knew anything about it, he will not be here today talking about 50/50, when even a blind man would have seen that cech had the ball and it was a 100/0. sad!

In the lower leagues, where Hunt has played, goalkeepers are prone to spilling the ball. Hunt was probably taught to always chase the ball in case the keeper spills it.

In Hunt's mind, it was a 50/50 ball.

 

[FFC2004]

My opinion is that any player can receive the same injuries. Head collisions are always happening between outfield players. To change the rules to protect keepers will only make the game worse.

Anything you do is taking a risk. Going down to the shops in your car, you could die. There was a man around here in Sacramento, who was driving in a residential area, and was shot by someone who was loading his gun inside his house... we all know that risks are taken in everything that you do.

All sports have their injuries and fatalities. It's something you won't be able to take out of the game until humans become immortal.

 

[henry#14]

It was just a very unfortunate series of events. In a contact sport and with the English style, it was almost bound to happen. 50/50 balls are there to be contested. I'm sure Hunt didn't actually mean to put Petr in hospital. And interesting you only mentioned this when Cech and Cudicini got affected....

 

[Seán D]

Liam has a similar view to me. I'm a goalkeeper, my brother is a goalkeeper and my father was a goalkeeper (the two of them played to a high enough level, my Dad was deputy goalkeeper for Ireland "back in the day")

We all agree that, intentional or not, that keepers get enough protection anyway. Fair enough, if it is intentional, that is not on and that person should not be allowed play again. but, 50/50, the outfield player has every right to go for it. I've broken a few fingers and broken a rib because of similar challenges, and my dad had his collarbone broke. I accept it as part of the game.

I just also want to make a major point here. If I am coming out at full speed, in a 50/50, I can equally injure the other player. And someone as big as Cech could do a fair bit of harm to someone else.

 

[pede54]

Hmmm.....I bought this up at this time because, as I stated in the opening post, I had seen various opinions on the subject throughout the media today.

Now If I was only trying to make an issue because the GK's involved on this occassion were Chelsea GK's, then I would probably not have waited three days to mention it. It was mainly when I was reminded today about Shay Given and Mark Schwarzer getting hospitalised this season. It seemed a bit strange that after 8 games so far in the EPL, four GK's have already been hospitalised by reckless challenges. So for any dickhead that concluded this was all about Chelsea , you are wrong. Is that as far as you can think, along the lines of club rivallry all the time? Take some time out and just think for a once.

I also stated that this thread was not meant to be about Chelsea, Cech, Cudicini or Hunt. The purpose of this thread was not to discuss whether Hunts intent was malicious or not. This thread, as stated, was about the general issue of Goalkeepers and the amount of protection they do not recieve WHEN it is needed. I am not, for the millionth time, talking about 50/50 balls or events like corners and crosses when the player has every right to jump for the ball with the GK.

New rules were brought in that outlawed elbowing another player. Did that ruin the game, as someone stated? The only diffence it made to the game was that it became safer. Now if this line of thought is fine for outfield players, then why not GK's, when they are in a situation where the ball is in their hands, why not just outlaw the act of someone coming in with his feet towards the GK's head? It sounds like common sense to me to limit this.

I also played in the lower leagues for years, and never did I play for a club that encouraged anyone to endanger the opposing GK. Not ever. Sure there were plenty of psychotic players who did not give a crap whether they hospitalised the GK or not. Those are the people that need to be reigned in and sorted out before a GK gets killed.

I also said at the beggining that your opinions like mine, on the Hunt/Cech incident, were just meaningless opinions. Only Hunt knows what the truth is so keep the thread concise by leaving out your opinions about this particular incident.

After all, that only convinces the thicko's in here, that this could be a club related issue. And it's not. At least it wasn't until they made it so.

Oh and Horatiu.......OK I admit it, I did laugh when I read it :funny:

 

[kaycee2g]

Liam has a similar view to me. I'm a goalkeeper, my brother is a goalkeeper and my father was a goalkeeper (the two of them played to a high enough level, my Dad was deputy goalkeeper for Ireland "back in the day")

We all agree that, intentional or not, that keepers get enough protection anyway. Fair enough, if it is intentional, that is not on and that person should not be allowed play again. but, 50/50, the outfield player has every right to go for it. I've broken a few fingers and broken a rib because of similar challenges, and my dad had his collarbone broke. I accept it as part of the game.

I just also want to make a major point here. If I am coming out at full speed, in a 50/50, I can equally injure the other player. And someone as big as Cech could do a fair bit of harm to someone else.

I think its not worth it to respond to ur comments, becus u seem to be very stubborn on this 50/50 thing! Did u see the situation? how can it be 50/50 were the goal keeper had the ball in his grip? i am sorry, but u have lost me here? what do u know is a 50/50 ball, becus to my understanding, and i may be wrong here, a 50/50 ball is were both players have an equal chance to get the ball. But when one player already has the ball in his possession, is that 50/50? please help me out here, maybe 50/50 is different in ireland. i am willing to learn the irish culture. thanks!

 

[pede54]

Kaycee, Sean is talking about 50/50 balls in general mate. We are not discussing any particular incident.

 

[Seán D]

I think its not worth it to respond to ur comments, becus u seem to be very stubborn on this 50/50 thing! Did u see the situation? how can it be 50/50 were the goal keeper had the ball in his grip? i am sorry, but u have lost me here? what do u know is a 50/50 ball, becus to my understanding, and i may be wrong here, a 50/50 ball is were both players have an equal chance to get the ball. But when one player already has the ball in his possession, is that 50/50? please help me out here, maybe 50/50 is different in ireland. i am willing to learn the irish culture. thanks!

The incident with Cech was probably avoidable and the player may have had time to pull out. Leading with your knee is not something you do naturally anyway. It wasn't acceptable but I don't think he intended to impact as he did. Hopefully Cech comes back stronger from this because he's the best in the world at what he does. I just hope the likes of Cudicini, Cech and Given still come out as bravely as they usually do.

 

[kaycee2g]

The incident with Cech was probably avoidable and the player may have had time to pull out. Leading with your knee is not something you do naturally anyway. It wasn't acceptable but I don't think he intended to impact as he did. Hopefully Cech comes back stronger from this because he's the best in the world at what he does. I just hope the likes of Cudicini, Cech and Given still come out as bravely as they usually do.

Thank you for clearing up the issue.

Personally, i dont now whether or not he intended to injure cech, thats for him to say, but I can say that were a player is so stupid to do what Hunt said, He should be penalised to bad that next time he will not behave in such manner.

 

[pede54]

Quote fron Wenger made earlier this evening.....

"There is a moment when ALL players realise the keeper will be first to the ball and that is when you have to break down your pace and power to make sure you don't hurt him.

"But that is not always done. Maybe strikers think if they keep going they can win the ball. But that's too dangerous."


http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=14972

 

[Seán D]

Fair comments by monsieur Wenger. If a player knows he's not going to get there he should pull out. No ifs, ands, buts or maybes. Players should work with each other to try and not injure their peers.

Pity I didn't say this to Roy Keane a few years ago...