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If you don't think Ronaldo's the best striker
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John_Arne_Riise
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Originally posted by finger
As any number of people have said, Ronaldo won the euro/fifa player of the year ONLY because of the WC.
Ballack on the otherhand had a good WC, except for the final, and a brilliant club season, he is the more deserving, I mean Kahn had an average club season, and zidane had a good goal at the end of the season, but the award goes to one who plays supremely for BOTH club and country, not one or the other.
Ballack was suspended for the WC Final i believe, kind of a really hard punishment, due to the fact that it was the final he got suspended for. That is a whole new thread in itself, nether-the-less, you gotta play by the rules.
But Kahn had an extremely good WC, without him and Ballack, who scored the winners against Korea and USA, they wouldnt have made the final. You could almost state that as a fact.
As any number of people have said, Ronaldo won the euro/fifa player of the year ONLY because of the WC.
Yes, let me explain why!!! In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award??? Well Paolo Rossi did he have a good season before the World CUp? NO!!! because he was BANNED from soccer for gabbling but returned in TIME for WC 82 what did he do after the World Cup for Juventus absolutely NOTHING...
in 1996 Ronaldo scored 30 goals in 33 games for PSV...and he won the DUTCH CUP or something...and well RONALDO IMO was already the best player on EARTH in 96. However, who won Ballon D' Or that year??? MATTHIAS SAMMER why? because he had a successful year with his club and won the EUROCUP with Germany??? MATTHIAS SAMMER over RONALDO??? COME ON!!!
Ronaldo should have won this award in 96 without a shadow of a doutb. No question in 97 and well 02 is debatable. Keep in mind this man was out for nearly 2 years RETURNS scores 7 goals in 10 games FOR INTER...losing the scudetto in the final game. Everyone was talking about France and Henry (Premier League top scorer) and Trezguet (Serie A top scorer) to dominate the world cup, names like Owen, Raul, and Vieri were favorites to end up goal scorers as well. However, out of nowhere RONALDO ended up top scorer and Brazil won their FIFTH WC trophy. If Rossi won this award in 82 and Zidane in 98 (for scoring 2 GOALS in the final against BRazil) why NOT RONALDO??? who SCORED 8 goals in WC competition 2 in the final, 7 out 10 goals in serie A, and won an INTERCONTINENTAL Cup with Real Madrid (scoring the opening goal and became the games most valuable player!!!
Look at him now...lately he is playing like the RONALDO of old. I believe he was a WORTHY WINNER!!! Compared to others in the past...I believe RONALDO is a worthy winner...I bet if he had NOT gone to Real Madrid, NO ONE would be complaining...
Well said mate.
John_Arne_Riise
Senior Squad
So, around 17 games was good enough for Ronaldo to win the Ballon D'or, which is an award based on a players performace in all competitions over 1 year. Yup, very worthy. *Note the sarcasm*
Evil Blood-Mix
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Well said, Dagoods
Digitarius
Senior Squad
In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award???
Just because Paolo Rossi undeservingly won the award in 1982 doesn't mean that Ronaldo deservingly won the award in 2002.
in 1996 Ronaldo scored 30 goals in 33 games for PSV...and he won the DUTCH CUP or something
Henryk Larsson scored with a better ratio and won the title with Celtic, so then should he be awarded with the Player of the Year award straight away then?
MATTHIAS SAMMER why? because he had a successful year with his club and won the EUROCUP with Germany??? MATTHIAS SAMMER over RONALDO??? COME ON!!!
Isn't that how you judge a player by? He had a successful year with both club and country. Sammer is a great player, one of the most underrated defensive players the world has ever seen. His influence on the national side cannot be disputed, and he is a great sweeper, bringing the impossible - or near impossible - to Borussia Dortmund, beating favourites Juventus in the final.
Ronaldo should have won this award in 96 without a shadow of a doutb.
I would say that there's more than a shadow of doubt.
Keep in mind this man was out for nearly 2 years RETURNS scores 7 goals in 10 games FOR INTER...losing the scudetto in the final game.
I'm not doubting that Ronaldo is a great, if not legendary player. Indeed I've expressed this in this thread. He is a great player. But just because he made a great recovery from an injury doesn't make him an automatic choice for player of the year.
If Rossi won this award in 82 and Zidane in 98 (for scoring 2 GOALS in the final against BRazil) why NOT RONALDO???
Again, only because other players have been given the award undeservingly doesn't mean that Ronaldo has won it deservingly.
Parra Power
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Originally posted by Dagoods
Yes, let me explain why!!! In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award??? Well Paolo Rossi did he have a good season before the World CUp? NO!!! because he was BANNED from soccer for gabbling but returned in TIME for WC 82 what did he do after the World Cup for Juventus absolutely NOTHING...
but there's a difference, without rossi.... there is no way that italy would have won the world cup. on the other hand, anyone would have scored most of the goals in ronaldo's place, and you'd find that brazil would still have won the world cup.
Again, only because other players have been given the award undeservingly doesn't mean that Ronaldo has won it deservingly
Okay then, why B!TCH and complain about ROnaldo winning he 2002 Ballon D' Or edition? If others in the past have gotten this award "undeservedly " why not RONALD? Who by the WAY scored 2 GOALS in a WC final, and ended up TOP SCORER, won an INTERCONTINENTAL cup with his new club...(MVP of the game),
IMO these are enough merits...
Michael Ballack went 0 for 3. 3 FINALS and he won NOTHING...Roberto Carlos only won so much because one...he plays for Real Madrid who are always buying TALENT in order to win...(NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT)...However, if you were to put Maldini in his place...I bet Real Madrid would of won as much or MORE...2. He won with Brazil...AGAIN put anyone in his place...(MALDINI) and I bet the results would be the same...
No ORDINARY SOCCER player could have DONE what RONALDO did. Only greats are able to perform the way Ronaldo did in the WC.
True Dagoods........the fact remains that I think recovering from a possible career threatening injury is merit enough to get player of the year......Remember that retirement was a very real possibily for Ronaldo at the height of his problems !!
Let us thing Marco Van Basten for a second, a damned injury ended a brilliant career, even Figo himself ever since his injuries he hasnt been the same.........For a player to regain any kind of level after serious surgeries and injuries is an amazing feat. For a player to do that and then perform at the level Ronaldo did in the World Cup or the way he has been coming around for Madrid is even more astounding.....
And to say that 'ANYBODY' could have scored The goals that gave Brazil the Penta is simply and absolutely ridiculous, is like saying you could replace Raul with some fat drunk in Madrid and get the same results he does.......
Granted, SOME players in Brazil's long waiting list could have replaced Ronaldo (like Romario yet another legend), and get good result, but I dont think they would have lifted the team the way Ronaldo did. It was a situation where almost nobody belived in the team (Brazil) or in the player (Ronaldo) both came thru is shining fashion
Let us thing Marco Van Basten for a second, a damned injury ended a brilliant career, even Figo himself ever since his injuries he hasnt been the same.........For a player to regain any kind of level after serious surgeries and injuries is an amazing feat. For a player to do that and then perform at the level Ronaldo did in the World Cup or the way he has been coming around for Madrid is even more astounding.....
And to say that 'ANYBODY' could have scored The goals that gave Brazil the Penta is simply and absolutely ridiculous, is like saying you could replace Raul with some fat drunk in Madrid and get the same results he does.......
Granted, SOME players in Brazil's long waiting list could have replaced Ronaldo (like Romario yet another legend), and get good result, but I dont think they would have lifted the team the way Ronaldo did. It was a situation where almost nobody belived in the team (Brazil) or in the player (Ronaldo) both came thru is shining fashion
Well Said, King Paul V!!!
Did you see Ronaldo today? even though he played 45 mins...I think he had a good game.
I cannot wait to see him against my favorite defender (MALDINI) when those two go against each other they put up a GOOD DAMN SHOW!!!
Reality is this...people FAIL to give Ronaldo credit for what he has achieved...Instead of people giving him credit for him being the MOST WINNIEST Soccer player in history (individual awards wise) instead people are STILL on his case for leaving INTERMILAN...People called him a mercenary...among other names. Well than how come people were not complaining when JOHAN CRUYFF left Ajax for Barcelona??? or when Maradona left Boca for Barcelona and later on he left Barcelona for NAPOLI??? Di Stefano ended up playing for Atletico Madrid (I think)...Pele retired from Santos and later played for COSMOS....THe reason why Ronaldo did not stay at Barcelona was because Barcelona was reluctant to pay him the millions which he was worth. Furthermore, he left Inter because he was sick of mediocracy. Therefore, he joined the greatest soccer club in history.
Ronaldo- 2 Ballon D'Or (1 one away from tying Cruyff, Platini, and Van Basten), 3 Fifa Player of the year, 2 eleven of gold, 3 World Soccer Award player of the year, 12 goals in WC competition (3 away from surpassing Gerd Muller's 14 goals) he has won 2 World Cups, 2 Copa Americas, and so many more trophies...
GIVE THE MAN CREDIT...YOU CANNOT WIN as much as Ronaldo in soccer if you are NOT ANY GOOD!!! IMO he is already the best player on EARTH.
Did you see Ronaldo today? even though he played 45 mins...I think he had a good game.
I cannot wait to see him against my favorite defender (MALDINI) when those two go against each other they put up a GOOD DAMN SHOW!!!
Reality is this...people FAIL to give Ronaldo credit for what he has achieved...Instead of people giving him credit for him being the MOST WINNIEST Soccer player in history (individual awards wise) instead people are STILL on his case for leaving INTERMILAN...People called him a mercenary...among other names. Well than how come people were not complaining when JOHAN CRUYFF left Ajax for Barcelona??? or when Maradona left Boca for Barcelona and later on he left Barcelona for NAPOLI??? Di Stefano ended up playing for Atletico Madrid (I think)...Pele retired from Santos and later played for COSMOS....THe reason why Ronaldo did not stay at Barcelona was because Barcelona was reluctant to pay him the millions which he was worth. Furthermore, he left Inter because he was sick of mediocracy. Therefore, he joined the greatest soccer club in history.
Ronaldo- 2 Ballon D'Or (1 one away from tying Cruyff, Platini, and Van Basten), 3 Fifa Player of the year, 2 eleven of gold, 3 World Soccer Award player of the year, 12 goals in WC competition (3 away from surpassing Gerd Muller's 14 goals) he has won 2 World Cups, 2 Copa Americas, and so many more trophies...
GIVE THE MAN CREDIT...YOU CANNOT WIN as much as Ronaldo in soccer if you are NOT ANY GOOD!!! IMO he is already the best player on EARTH.
Originally posted by Dagoods
Michael Ballack went 0 for 3. 3 FINALS and he won NOTHING...Roberto Carlos only won so much because one...he plays for Real Madrid who are always buying TALENT in order to win...(NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT)...However, if you were to put Maldini in his place...I bet Real Madrid would of won as much or MORE...2. He won with Brazil...AGAIN put anyone in his place...(MALDINI) and I bet the results would be the same...
No ORDINARY SOCCER player could have DONE what RONALDO did. Only greats are able to perform the way Ronaldo did in the WC.
Ballack won nothing but he reached 3 finals with a club like Bayer Leverkusen that you should know it's not a superpowerful team, but if you only consider tropheys it's ok for me. Now you say R. Carlos' tropheys doesn't count because he was playing for good teams and anyother would have won the same playing instead of him. That's a good one because you could say exactly the same about Ronaldo.
Do you really think Brazil playing with Romario (just an example) instead of Ronaldo would be able to lose the World Cup?
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That's a good one because you could say exactly the same about Ronaldo.
Romario would of NEVER scored 8 goals...he scored 5 goals in WC94 and he was at his best. Romario in 94 at least would RUN, however NOW...the ref...does more running than ROMARIO.
Who? Henry? Well how many GOALS did he score for FRANCE? this past WC? 0! (okay you may say, Zidane wasn't there from the start of the tournament TRUE, but in WC 98 how many did goald did HENRY end up with ONLY 3)...No other STRIKER "of today" could have done what Ronaldo did. Vieri, Raul, Henry, Owen, Trezeguet, Van Nistrelooy, etc....are NOT GIFTED as RONALDO. RONALDO has SUBLIME ball CONTROL and SKILLS...he can finish with either FEET...and SUPERB speed. Unfortunately, all the other strikers DO NOT have the complete package...
Let me make this more simple...Ronaldo from 94-99 was the biggest in SOCCER (rightfuly so)... afterwards, the ZIDANE era began...00-02. However, howcome Herny, Raul, Vieri, and others were not able to TAKE over RONALDO'S spotlight??? if they were so good? Now tha RONALDO is back he has BECOME number 1 again...He will reign supreme for the following years. 02-?? I'm project until 2008. From now on until 2008 Ronaldo will be the soccer's BRIGHEST and BIGGEST ICON on EARTH.
Roberto Carlos is an ABOMINATION to the word defense. LEGENDS like, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini never won a BALLON D' OR...IMO opinion all of the three deserved one. You see, Roberto Carlos is NOT in the same league as Franz Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini...These 4 are the best 4 defenders in HISTORY...and only 1 out the 4 won the Ballon D'Or award (Beckenbauer won it twice)... If Roberto Carlos had won this award I would of committed suicide...because he is truly an ABOMINATION to the defense...On the other hand RONALDO is the best STRIKER on EARTH and lately he is playing like what he truly is...."THE BEST PLAYER ON EARTH"!!! Roberto Carlos is not even the best player in his position...
Mate, you can never convince some of these people.
Football fans rarely see truth.
The same Lpool fans who think Jeffers is a cheat, praised Owen for his sprawling dive against Argentina.
The fans who think Ronaldo is a waste would jump to heaven if he were a player on their team.
The bottomline is the facts you listed.
He wins wherever he plays and score against whomever he opposes, and to be honest, I think he is better than Zidane, because Zidane tackles less than a quarterback.
Admittedly Zidane is the best offensive midfielder, but i'll take Totti and Vieria over Zidane if the team wasn't as strong as Real.
That's going to start another debate now.
On the other hand Ronaldo does everything you expect of a striker.
There are times when opposing teams attack Real and they keep three defenders back to mark Ronaldo.
That alone is worth 10 million pounds, because he is limiting the offensive capability of any opponent by his mere presence.
Football fans rarely see truth.
The same Lpool fans who think Jeffers is a cheat, praised Owen for his sprawling dive against Argentina.
The fans who think Ronaldo is a waste would jump to heaven if he were a player on their team.
The bottomline is the facts you listed.
He wins wherever he plays and score against whomever he opposes, and to be honest, I think he is better than Zidane, because Zidane tackles less than a quarterback.
Admittedly Zidane is the best offensive midfielder, but i'll take Totti and Vieria over Zidane if the team wasn't as strong as Real.
That's going to start another debate now.
On the other hand Ronaldo does everything you expect of a striker.
There are times when opposing teams attack Real and they keep three defenders back to mark Ronaldo.
That alone is worth 10 million pounds, because he is limiting the offensive capability of any opponent by his mere presence.
I think he is better than Zidane, because Zidane tackles less than a quarterback.
I agree, IMO RONALDO has been, is, and forever will be better than ZIDANE. Zidane is an excellent AM, however he is not better than IL FENOMENO RONALDO. Real Madrid are steam rolling right now...NEXT YEAR they will be even tougher to beat... They will go and sign a couple of good DEFENDERS perhaps Samuel and Chivu...or get Joaquin to replace the aging Figo...and RONALDO will be 100 percent FIT. Moreover, hee will have a further better understanding with his teammates on the pitch. I see RONALDO winning his RECORD TYING and BREAKING Third Ballon D'Or NEXT YEAR (he will tie Cruyff, Platini, and Van Basten) (He will become the only NON-EUROPEAN player to have won this award for a third time, currently he is tied with Alfredo Di Stefano for having won this award twice). Perhaps if Real Madrid wins the Champions League, and la Ligua (which by the way I think they've already won) then May Be Ronald will win his third Ballon D'Or next. However, I would like for AC MILAN to win the Champions League this year. Maldini deserves to raise that trophy at least once more. My heart is with AC MILAN but my money is on Real Madrid.
PS. Brazil will have the chance to win the Confederations Cup...they'll most likely will face France at Stade De France...RONALDO'S REDEMPTION!!! If Brazil wins...then I can assure you that Ronaldo will once again win ballon d'or and why not?
Ronaldo will most likely end up 2nd or 1st in la ligua...most likely Real Madrid will win la ligua...the champions league, intercontinental cup, supercup, spain's supercup, and a Confederations Cup with Brazil...WHY NOT? However, winning that Champions League is KEY. (I would prefer for Maldini to raise that CUP though). But if he doesn't than FORZA RONALDO!!!
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You are all calling him a striker? What kind of ****s that? He's a forward. Like Henry. Van Nistelrooy/Shearer are strikers.