I love them both but.............

[Shaft085]

No problem Rport , as it,s always going to be down to personal choice.
Both games have their strengths & weaknesses (regardless what PES fans may say)
I also feel that both games kind of compliment each other in the way that , what one game lacks, the other gains...

PES does have the slightly better & smoother flowing gameplay of the 2.
But i can honestly say that it,s only marginal, and this is after playing the PES4 demo for a considerable amount of time ( on all levels ) and playing the full game recently on Xbox, against friends.
PES is a good and very realistic football simulation, and i do enjoy playing it, although i still feel that the gameplay graphics look too arcade like.

On the other hand... Although Fifa is far from perfect itself, i just think that the game is a more truer reflection of the real thing.
It may not have the Sharp twisting Runs & Turns of PES, ...
It,s goal Shooting system, or the the level of depth in team / player editting & Master league.
But it still gives a really good and pretty complete package.
Obviously with the added bonus of having full licensing of most club & international teams.
The gameplay is a big improvement from some of the previous titles, though it could do with being tidying up in places.

What does Piss me off about EA is the way that they seem make 1 step forward .. 2 steps back, with the Fifa games.
Instead of keeping whats good about the game and improving the bad.
Another thing i find a little Strange, is the way that EA released Fifa05 in November, with a number of flaws in it,s gameplay.
But 3 months later they are about to release UCL with most, if not all of the above mentioned flaws, Improved.

Which makes you ask questions about EA,s level of commitment , and if Fifa05 was infact a little bit Rushed, in production.
But it now seems as if EA have woken up and realised the level of competition being given by Konami and have decided to start making improvements, Which can only be a good thing ( for Fifa fans ).
So with a little common sense and with getting the best from F05 & UCL.s gameplay ( Also bring back the Officials, Substitutions & improve the goal nets ) ...
Fifa 06 "Should" be a Very, Very Good game .. We hope ... LOL

 

[deftonesmx17]

Originally posted by Shaft085

On the other hand... Although Fifa is far from perfect itself, i just think that the game is a more truer reflection of the real thing.

and as put in another thread, I think it was you that said it,. In PES, if you have enough control skills, you can easily take the ball completely up the field with a single player and score. That wont happen in FIFA, you have to pass and make play with the ball. Yes, though I do notice that the players in FIFA can shoot the ball way 2 fast and the keeper reacts way to fast because of this making him seem like superman. I do not like the corner system in FIFA either. Even though I like FIFA more, I get sick of doing the same corner over and over because any other player will get pushed or the keeper will just grab the ball. On the other hand the animations in PES are the extreme killer of this game. When running a person does not swing their arms back and forth in perfect sync. Their legs do the same also in PES. The control issue is another thing. I like to have full control like in FIFA but sometimes it would be nice for a player to make his own run or open space. Then again at least in FIFA the ball travels in the direction I point when passing. From time to time, at least 5 times per game, the ball goes in the opposite direction from what I pressd when passing in PES. What I dont understand about PES fans is they say you have a limited amout of shots you can make in FIFA and they all look the same. For one, there is a limited amount of shot types in PES also. There is no way to program a game without set variable for things like shooting. The repetitive shots in FIFA are user error. The problem is that most players will find that sweet spot and use it all the time, resulting in the same shot over and over. You have control , so you make the decsion. Play that same spot or make your own. Yes in PES there doesnt seem to be that one spot you can find and use the entire length of the game, so it seems as if you have more shot types, this is what I meant by illusion in an earlier post. Sure in FIFA I can run that same cross play over and over again, but isnt that my own fault for not using my own creativity. PES fans, do not take this as an insult in any way. You have to remember that FIFA is made for the general public, so in return yes it will have those "sweet spots" where you can always score. You can be creative it you want to be though. I am very creative in the way I play. Pretend those "sweet spots" are not there and you will see. I never play the same way in FIFA. During a match I find what works best against my opposition and use it. Isnt it that way in real life. Dont certain teams play certain ways? Yes and the opposing team will find the weakness and exploit it, if possible. Real Football works that way. Then again I do not believe we will have better simulation of Footie until the PS3. We will not be as held back by the lack of A.I. intellegence. Both games have this, PES does win in this area though. EA doesnt fully understand the PS2, the way Konami does. Even though we have multiple consoles out there, it is obvious that the PS2 comes first in game development for multi-platform games. More people own a PS2, which means the sale of the game for that platform will be highest, this is why I say developers think PS2 first. More PS2 owners than both other consoles together equals more $$$$$$$ for the developer. In return computer ports of these games lack what the A.I. could have been because it was programed for outdated hardware. No company is going to completely recode the A.I. for a computer port of a console game. That would not bring enough $$$$$$$$$ to justify the time and money spent recoding everything.

 

[Mel Brennan]

...You have to remember that FIFA is made for the general public, so in return yes it will have those "sweet spots" where you can always score. You can be creative it you want to be though. I am very creative in the way I play. Pretend those "sweet spots" are not there and you will see...

ROFLMMFAOAYPASABASGASM!

I checked in on this abortion of a thread just in time to have the above make my week, in terms of cyberspatial humour. POTY candidate, and so early in the calendar...congratulations, I salute you.

You go on "pretending." I'll play football. LOL!

I'll check in in a week or so to see what other ways you can make me laugh so hard I spit (Veuve Clicquot, btw, which, given it's cost, wasn't, pound for pound, worth it, but anyway... )

"Pretend..." gotta love that. Really that's good, funny stuff. Thanks.

 

[O'neill]

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
........Then again at least in FIFA the ball travels in the direction I point when passing. From time to time, at least 5 times per game, the ball goes in the opposite direction from what I pressd when passing in PES.

This is just so true and I wondered if it was me or my controller or if the PS version is the same. Its one of the frustrating things about PES on the PC and why I cannot understand people who rate it so much higher than that other frustraing game FIFA.

And by the way Mel Brennan, you won me over with your careful, logical and well put reasoning. Thank you for your valued contribution to the thread and I hope your sides have stopped hurting by now.

 

[Mel Brennan]

Originally posted by O'neill
...And by the way Mel Brennan, you won me over with your careful, logical and well put reasoning. Thank you for your valued contribution to the thread and I hope your sides have stopped hurting by now.

Dear, um, Biggus Dickus...

I will readily acknowledge that my last post adds precious little to the thread, other than to point out to others with similar takes on the whole thing, my gaming-eschatological kith and kin, if you would, how humorous defending FIFA can be.

But if you're arguing that my post, in not adding much to the canon of FIFA v PES contrast and comparisons, is significantly different than the vast majority of this thread (and, truly, can we not place posts in this arena on a normal distribution, and find standard deviations worth of separation between the mass of non-post posts, and, on one end, the posts that advance the dialogue and those that intentionally scatter Socratic inquiry of the two franchises to the four winds?), I would quite honestly beg to differ.

In fact, I began to explore that inquiry, in response to Youri, actually, early in the thread, when I got this:

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
Let me tell you the hypocritical comments you and every other ex FIFA player turned PES say. You all have to bring up the fact of FIFA running on the same engine from RTWC 98 till now. For one the game engine has only been the same sine the first PS2 game. Want to knwo the 'irony" here, W11/PES has been the same engine since it was ISS2. Just tweaks every year. Who is laughing now. Your game is the same as mine. Same engine for 4 years but somehow yours is different. PES arguments are stupid because of things like that. Read into what you write some time. I read your post from you link and you make me laugh to think Konami hasnt used the same game engine. You said you were an avid gamer and you didnt know that.

The average american gamer perfers FIFA for one reason.........we do not have to wait for almost a whole year to get the newest game because it was release in Europe and Japan almost a year ahead of america.

And I responded in kind, at a similar level, as to be understood.

So let's not argue "advancing the dialogue" here, okay? The initial thread starter had an opportunity to do so, and turned this thread into a joke. Don't blame me for laughing when said joke turns authentically funny.

Now, given some of the things that you've offered here in this thread, if you'd like to go somewhere less comic - in most senses of that word - and discuss the two franchises, where they've been and where they might go, I'd love to do so.

Nothin' but luv for ya,

Mel Brennan

 

[O'neill]

Oh I have just finished a game of PES (I am in a PES cycle at the moment, playing a full season) and I am reminded of a Fifa 2005 review I was reading when the demo was released. The reviewer was talking about previous Fifa games when you passed the ball and the receiver would just stand there statue like waiting for the ball to come, and the oposition could just get there 1st and take the ball, but that had been improved in Fifa2005. Well PES suffers very badly from that too.



PS
You need to be just ignored now Brennan.

 

[ffan999]

Well o'neil, you can actually move the recieving player towards the ball before the opposition is able to get it. It works!

Quote from deftonesmx17
"Even though I like FIFA more, I get sick of doing the same corner over and over because any other player will get pushed or the keeper will just grab the ball."

In reply:
There is a way of not getting pushed to the side from the defender(or attacker). I actually had many goals from heading in corners. First of all you should not try to push the other player first up when u get the chance. At intervals u actually have to stop pushing, and then resume doing so. If u don't the ai player will just move around u. On ps2 use the directional buttons, the right analog stick, and randomly press the right shoulder buttons.
Most of the time I use the player in the centre to head the ball.

 

[soccerulez]

Originally posted by ffan999
Well o'neil, you can actually move the recieving player towards the ball before the opposition is able to get it. It works!

Quote from deftonesmx17
"Even though I like FIFA more, I get sick of doing the same corner over and over because any other player will get pushed or the keeper will just grab the ball."

In reply:
There is a way of not getting pushed to the side from the defender(or attacker). I actually had many goals from heading in corners. First of all you should not try to push the other player first up when u get the chance. At intervals u actually have to stop pushing, and then resume doing so. If u don't the ai player will just move around u. On ps2 use the directional buttons, the right analog stick, and randomly press the right shoulder buttons.
Most of the time I use the player in the centre to head the ball.

Big deal scripted corners And no short corners prob still exist!!!

 

[O'neill]

Originally posted by ffan999
Well o'neil, you can actually move the recieving player towards the ball before the opposition is able to get it. It works!

In PES, all the time? Tell me how.

 

[Mel Brennan]

Originally posted by O'neill
Oh I have just finished a game of PES (I am in a PES cycle at the moment, playing a full season) and I am reminded of a Fifa 2005 review I was reading when the demo was released. The reviewer was talking about previous Fifa games when you passed the ball and the receiver would just stand there statue like waiting for the ball to come, and the oposition could just get there 1st and take the ball, but that had been improved in Fifa2005. Well PES suffers very badly from that too.



PS
You need to be just ignored now Brennan.

Given that the above gameplay analysis of PES is entirely incorrect (of course you can move to the ball, every time, in PES; you can even truncate directional script with simultaneous presses of buttons to cancel said script and move independently to a ball), I'd be glad to ignore you from here on out as well.

LOL, pathetic.

 

[nathanf43]

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
In PES, if you have enough control skills, you can easily take the ball completely up the field with a single player and score. That wont happen in FIFA, you have to pass and make play with the ball.

You can easily get around players in fifa just by side stepping past them, and using other various tricks. But the side steppin technique is the easiest way to get around opposition players imo.

Anyway i have been a long time fifa fan, and i read reviews and read alot of peoples opnions on how pes is better than fifa so i bought pes4 a couple of weeks ago. And when i first tryed it i thought this game is nothing special. I played it a bit more and started to get used to it and it is a good game. And yes it is better than fifa but not by such a long distance like alot of people make out it is. Although, i played one game of fifa today and then turned it straight off.

 

[ronaldo9]

i agree with u nathanf43, but the problem with pes/we8 is, that its not gonna be that good at the begenning, until u learn all the tricks and movs, it takes time geting used to it but when u know what u doing (buton combinations) then u will understant how deep the gameplay is. yes i got fifa 2005 as well, but when i bought pes4 i didn't touch fifa anymore cos fifa don't give the freedom pes4 gives u

 

[deftonesmx17]

The difference between a 8.8 (fifa @ gamespot) and a 9.3 (WE8 2 gamespot) is not that much of a difference. I get so sick of the ignorance on how a PES fans believe that is some big difference. 1/2 a point on a rating system shows the truth that you guys cant handle...............PES is not light years ahead of FIFA. If it was light years ahead then its reviews would be more than a 1/2 a point difference. Wanna know why its only 1/2 a point ahead? Because the A.I. is better is PES/WE, not that the gameplay is some great inovative thing. It is the same almost every year, PES is only 1/2 a point ahead. WE7 got a 9.1 and FIFA 04 which was the worst version of FIFA ever got a 8.6. Im not seeing the big difference. A game that scores over an 8 is a great games none the less. So stop acting as if FIFA is crap. I perfer FIFA but at least I have grown up enough to not consider PES/WE crap. Because it is just a user choice. So keep on acting the way you do PES fans. Continue to sound like the "above" person because PES is light years ahead of FIFA. A crap game would not get a rating above 5 or 6.

 

[ronaldo9]

yes fifa its not bad as a game, with all the clubs and licenses they got, thats why fifa score 8.8 this year, but people here are talking about gameplay which live fifa far behind pes pes4 score 9.3 just because of the gameplay, not because of fake club names, player names & commentatory they got

 

[deftonesmx17]

bad arguyment
if all games were rated good based on licenses, then explain why there is alot of games out there that have that but no gameplay that get bad ratings; or the games that have gameplay and none of the licenses. All I was saying is you can't call ones gameplay crap. a game that has crap gameplay wont rate high at all, no matter what it has. The Guy Game is a perfect example of this. Most game reviewers are guys, what guy wouldnt love a game with breasts. then again the game was such crap that yeah it still got a bad rating. see whats wrong with your argument. breasts to a guy is like having all the licenses, but if the gameplay is crap then it is nothing. Also the Sony MLB games are the same way. They have all the teams and such but the gameplay is such crap. I can say that if having all the clubs was what made a game better than I would say that I only play FIFA since my hometeam the Columbus Crew was in it. I watch MLS because I can drive 10 mins. over to Crew stadium and see a game. That would be my deciding factor if this was true. When I play WE8I I dont care anyways because I can still play my international team Germany, all I have to do is edit the player names or edit the game to give the real deal. That doent bother me much I just like FIFA better.
I like both FIFA05 and PES4/WE8, just got my copy of WE8I NTSC USA in the mail yesterday, so I dont have to play the PES4 PAL in 50Hz anymore on my PS2 and if Sony corrects some things, then This is Football could be a very good game, it already is but it is what is light years behind the others. Even with FIFA as my choice I don't find it that far ahead of PES/WE at all. I would also say that the gameplay is great in both of them. It is just that there are some things better in each one.

 

[askewd]

I love football, live and breath it. Was a Fifa fan for ages, thought it was the best thing ever. My friend came round one day with a game called PES (or ISS then) and we sat and played it. I was not impressed so went back to Fifa as soon as he left. I then read lots of reviews about PES saying how good it was so I decided to give it another try... rented it out, did the training and started playing. After a while something magical happened... I still cannot explain it to this day, but it took me to a place that no fifa (past or present) have ever managed to take me. The FEELING that I get when i play PES is just...magical. I know it's only a game but that's the point - PES is MORE than a game ! Also, the more you play it and the better you get the better the game gets. (playing in the UK ladder online takes it even higher too)

There is no point arguing though, as you could argue that urine tasted better than Lemonade if you wanted to and probably present facts to prove it. If you prefer the urine then that's fine with me... but i'll stick with my Lemonade thanks. This thread is about the "facts" but that's impossible... PES4 touches the soul in a way no other football game comes close. How can you present that as a fact? Maybe that is what you are not able to understand.

If you have played both games properly, and you still can't see why PES4 is better than any other football game on the planet, then you don't deserve to play it at all...actually you should be shot. Sorry but it's true.

And the reason PES4 fans get upset is because to compare it to Fifa is actually a little insulting...a complete disregard for that un-explainable magical experience that I mentioned.

If you're passing is going astray, then you're not playing it right.
If you feel it lacks freedom then you are not playing it right.

Fleeting from one game to the other won't help you appreciate the subtleties either...

deftonesmx17, get a soul.

DALE

 

[Youri Bakker]

Originally posted by askewd
I love football, live and breath it. Was a Fifa fan for ages, thought it was the best thing ever. My friend came round one day with a game called PES (or ISS then) and we sat and played it. I was not impressed so went back to Fifa as soon as he left. I then read lots of reviews about PES saying how good it was so I decided to give it another try... rented it out, did the training and started playing. After a while something magical happened... I still cannot explain it to this day, but it took me to a place that no fifa (past or present) have ever managed to take me. The FEELING that I get when i play PES is just...magical. I know it's only a game but that's the point - PES is MORE than a game ! Also, the more you play it and the better you get the better the game gets. (playing in the UK ladder online takes it even higher too)

There is no point arguing though, as you could argue that urine tasted better than Lemonade if you wanted to and probably present facts to prove it. If you prefer the urine then that's fine with me... but i'll stick with my Lemonade thanks. This thread is about the "facts" but that's impossible... PES4 touches the soul in a way no other football game comes close. How can you present that as a fact? Maybe that is what you are not able to understand.

If you have played both games properly, and you still can't see why PES4 is better than any other football game on the planet, then you don't deserve to play it at all...actually you should be shot. Sorry but it's true.

And the reason PES4 fans get upset is because to compare it to Fifa is actually a little insulting...a complete disregard for that un-explainable magical experience that I mentioned.

If you're passing is going astray, then you're not playing it right.
If you feel it lacks freedom then you are not playing it right.

Fleeting from one game to the other won't help you appreciate the subtleties either...

deftonesmx17, get a soul.

DALE

Once again, a typical PES fan post.

 

[Bummy_JaB]

"Was a Fifa fan for ages"

:P he Youri thats what ive been seeing Recently since the release of WE8

 

[Shaft085]

Originally posted by askewd
I love football, live and breath it. Was a Fifa fan for ages, thought it was the best thing ever. My friend came round one day with a game called PES (or ISS then) and we sat and played it. I was not impressed so went back to Fifa as soon as he left. I then read lots of reviews about PES saying how good it was so I decided to give it another try... rented it out, did the training and started playing. After a while something magical happened... I still cannot explain it to this day, but it took me to a place that no fifa (past or present) have ever managed to take me. The FEELING that I get when i play PES is just...magical. I know it's only a game but that's the point - PES is MORE than a game ! Also, the more you play it and the better you get the better the game gets. (playing in the UK ladder online takes it even higher too)

There is no point arguing though, as you could argue that urine tasted better than Lemonade if you wanted to and probably present facts to prove it. If you prefer the urine then that's fine with me... but i'll stick with my Lemonade thanks. This thread is about the "facts" but that's impossible... PES4 touches the soul in a way no other football game comes close. How can you present that as a fact? Maybe that is what you are not able to understand.

If you have played both games properly, and you still can't see why PES4 is better than any other football game on the planet, then you don't deserve to play it at all...actually you should be shot. Sorry but it's true.

And the reason PES4 fans get upset is because to compare it to Fifa is actually a little insulting...a complete disregard for that un-explainable magical experience that I mentioned.

If you're passing is going astray, then you're not playing it right.
If you feel it lacks freedom then you are not playing it right.

Fleeting from one game to the other won't help you appreciate the subtleties either...

deftonesmx17, get a soul.

DALE

If deftonesmx needs to get a soul ... Then you my friend, need to get a life.
It makes me wonder if any of you PES fans have actualy played Fifa 05 ? ....
If so, then i suggest You take some time and learn how to play the game properly.
Then ... Come and preach on how big a difference there is between the two.

I,ll tell you myself that there isn,t much between them...
And if it wasn,t for a silly number of needless flaws in gameplay, then i reckon that Fifa would just edge it ,
due to the difference that the new First Touch, Through Ball & Skills system makes to the play of the game ...

 

[deftonesmx17]

Ah, I fully understand now.
The reason why PES fans can never bring real arguments, is because it just "touched" them.
And they can not describe that.
Both games "touch" me the same way. Wanna know why? Because I love soccer, end of story. I am starting to believe that PES fans really dont care about soccer, they only care if their game is "better". Typical PES fan post also. I should be shot because I play both and I think FIFA is better. I also need to get a soul.
I go back and forth because neither is perfect. That my friend, is a fact. They are both games and are both very arcade-like. No real person has an automatic aimer for passing like in our "arcade" games. Yes, in PES, the ball does go a-stray when passing from time to time. This is a fact. People talk about it in the PES/WE forums. Stop lying to yourself. Anyone who has played the game will tell you that it happens. Just like how in FIFA there are alot of times when your midfielders are not where they are supposed to be.