How should I call this video? Lots of c**p ;)

[info0]

Please don't hate me. I will try to explain it as I couldn't say it all in video.

First of all, forgive me for my accent, I am not English, far from it, I am from Poland and I haven't spoken English for quite some time :P

Second thing I didn't do it out of hatred towards FIFA or fanboism towards you know what game.

I stated my honest opinion on FIFA 12 and why I would rather play FIFA 11 on PC. If you find my views different from yours fine, I respect your opinion too, but please try to keep it civilized without swearing, etc.

Now for some explanation in short: I am single player gamer and I give **** about online gaming (at least at first), so I want proper AI and single player modes. Did EA Sports deliver? Unfortunately no. As you will see I have my grudges against terrible AI, I mean terrible. It's hard from realistic experience even with Hybrid Gameplay Beta 2 (for FIFA 12). AI still does stuff you would hardly see in real life like Iniesta getting ball in attack and running backwards toward his own defense?!?! Are you for real?! Funny enough such things do hardly happen in previous year game. What's more annoying, players forgot how to make runs into open space on their own? Now I had to play L1 + pass for player to make run, which is quite annoying. Never had such problem on FIFA 11.
Second thing are referees which are biased. Perfect tackle in box = penalty. You don't believe me? Watch KSIOljiadbt (spelling may be wrong) videos on YouTube.
What's next? So much boasted Player Impact Engine is a failure in every way possible. EA shouldn't have put that in without proper testing... Again you want to see some funny videos? Go to LetsFIFA channel or search for FIFA Fails Only Get Better vids.
However, what destroys SP experience is Career Mode. Sure it looks much better than Manager Mode, but that's about it. Ridiculous transfers just kill it for me. In time those transfers only get more ridiculous.
Then we have player animations/transitions and graphical part. It's worse than last year. There are clearly less animations, players feel like rocks, there is no smooth movement.
Of course graphically it's better than FIFA 11, but not great. Seriously if someone is bashing PES 2012 for graphics he needs to get his eyes checked. I have posted full videos on my channel from both games... See the difference for yourself.
I will say this to ya all, I am game critique, I review games in depth for some magz, I can see flaws which are rarely even noticed in first time reviews, but I do play games a lot before I write/do in depth review.
I find it funny that on most sites FIFA 12 gets 9/10 or 8/10 and on metacritic it gets 90+/100. Are you mad? For what exactly?
One more thing, why ooh why did you introduce sliders system? Seriously it doesn't do game any good. Couldn't you just have balanced out difficulty levels? Why give users such powerful cheating option? Get rid of this stuff and make proper difficulty settings next time.
FIFA 10 (consoles) and FIFA 11 (FIFA 10 port) were the great platform for development and improvement, but instead EA Sports went for adding things people did not need. You had perfect base for making total football game, pretty much like PES 6 was (yes, that's the game I compared FIFA 11 on PC to). You ruined your effort EA Sports. Face the fact.

I am not FIFA hater. I have all FIFA games since 98 as well as I have all Pro Evo Soccer games from PES 3. Right now I have only one wish, EA Sports, don't screw up FIFA 13 as you might have not noticed, PES 2012 closed the gap ridiculously fast (and yes, hate me for saying this, it's my game of preference this year). I should also say that I have given FIFA 12 long time to impress me, but quite unfortunately it didn't. Sold it 2 weeks later after I bought it .

Please at least think about what I wrote here, send your honest opinions not fanboish ones without proper ground for discussion, thank you.

Video link is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6xORM2xnA&hd=1

Guys, once again, I ask you to keep it civilized.

[btw I did it for fun, if you get your humour improved, then good, video served it's purpose ]

 

[bangus]

IMO, you either learn to accept a game's limitations, or you go crazy and end up writing long blogs on game forums about every little thing that's wrong with it. With Fidel's gameplay mods, and with slider and editing tweaks, FIFA 12 is a great game and loads of fun. That's all I'm looking for. I'm not looking for perfection because it'll never happen.

 

[bangus]

One more thing, why ooh why did you introduce sliders system? Seriously it doesn't do game any good. Couldn't you just have balanced out difficulty levels? Why give users such powerful cheating option? Get rid of this stuff and make proper difficulty settings next time.

Cheating option? Look, if you don't have the self-control to use the sliders properly, and tweak the gameplay and make it fair and balanced, that's your issue. Don't take it out on the rest of us by calling for EA to get rid of them. The sliders are the best thing to happen to this series in years.

 

[info0]

Oh yeah, definitely they are... That's why so many people struggle with them, to find perfect balance?

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-slider-discussion/

Check this site then. I ask why is that? Every slider settings I used was rubbish. Even regularcat said, sliders aren't working as intended. I tried all the extremes and changes are visible of course, but do they change the gameplay diametrally? No. That's why I don't give a damn about them.

FIFA managed to do without them for so many years, now they gave you the option to tweak the game to your liking without proper explanation on how to tweak them. Brilliant.

I ask for proper game, not perfect game, but proper one I can enjoy. I enjoyed FIFA 11 and still do enjoy it after updating transfers/kits and other stuff. Sadly enough, I couldn't enjoy FIFA 12 one bit and believe me I am not the only one who feels that way.

Next time take it easy. :]

 

[bangus]

Every slider settings I used was rubbish. Even regularcat said, sliders aren't working as intended. I tried all the extremes and changes are visible of course, but do they change the gameplay diametrally? No. That's why I don't give a damn about them.

Next time take it easy. :]

So is regularcat some kind of expect on sliders now? The sliders work and saying otherwise is complete nonsense. They just don't work the way you want them too, is all you're really saying. They're a great addition to the game IMO.

Not sure what that last comment is all about, sounds like you take offense to anyone disagreeing with your POV. And IMO, you're being way too critical over a very decent football game.

 

[bangus]

do they change the gameplay diametrally? No.

The key is creating custom CPU tactics. The sliders alone won't change the way the CPU attacks, etc. This year's game is so customizable it's crazy, but few people care to take the time to do that. Everyone waits around for Fidel to patch the game for them and find some magic solution, lol.

 

[regularcat]

So is regularcat some kind of expect on sliders now? The sliders work and saying otherwise is complete nonsense. They just don't work the way you want them too, is all you're really saying. They're a great addition to the game IMO.

Not sure what that last comment is all about, sounds like you take offense to anyone disagreeing with your POV. And IMO, you're being way too critical over a very decent football game.

they are a great addition to you because you havent played fifa over the years.
the sliders suck & dont meet the expectations of what ea hyped them to be.

you assume you know what the true fifa fans expect, but the truth is you have no clue.

so again to you 12 is a great game but to us who have played fifa for years & know what a recycled game plays like, this is a recycled 11 w/ some new features where the sliders dont do what are expected of them & the gameplay in general lacks the best elements of 11s gameplay.

& questioning my expertise when you know nothing about fifa is pretty ridiculous in my eyes, you dont know what i know, again everything you post is assumption.
would be the same as me commenting on your pes, difference is i wouldnt cause i wouldnt play that garbage even if fifa never existed.

 

[tanagoo]

I'm annoyed with FIFA 12 too and I can't do nothing. I thought this game will be better than FIFA 11 so I pre-ordered it (this was my worst mistake)but sadly it isn't. If I apply a gameplay patch I won't be able to play what I paid for so I simply calm down If I start writing what I'm annoyed with I will write a book. EA had to fix the old cons of the game not to add new.

 

[Erevos]

Hm i agree in everything about the OP said!

Always talking about the vs CPU aspect of the game FIFA 12 is awful, and the talking about sliders is realy gets boring, sliders are a good but a broken addition, they killed any change in CTT. Same with Tactical Defence, nice but broken addition.

EA made a game that plays like Barca vs Inter (mourinho's) but problem is that all the teams in FIFA 12 are playing when they attack like Barca and when they defend like Inter....

 

[Kaps]

Well, after all the praises all over the net (this forum included) about how great the FIFA12 is, I was starting to wonder if it's something wrong with me.

Now I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one who finds the game terrible gameplay-wise.

I don't know what was the EA's idea, but the gameplay of the 12 is so much worse than the 11, possibly even 10, that it's really hard to believe!

And that "tactical defence" thing!? A goddamn horror!

 

[bangus]

Now I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one who finds the game terrible gameplay-wise. A goddamn horror!

Nobody is saying it's GOTY. But neither is it crap, terrible or a horror. It's a decent game and a lot of fun. Besides, it's not like this series has ever been about simulation football for goodness sake.

 

[info0]

No-one said it was simulation series. EA Sports are aiming to do it though.

You should see how much faster FIFA 10 was on consoles and how FIFA 11 was. It was FUN and like I said, it was also the reason why PES 6 was so great. Action and more action from one end to the other.

On FIFA 12 you just snooze :lol: of boredom. Decent game? Decent game shouldn't get a note of 9/10 for crying out loud. This FIFA has so many game breaking flaws which ruin online experience (this I can confirm playing console version of the game) it's just amazing it gets so high notes. It should't have gotten even 7 this year...

EA servers on console are once again a joke, so many disconnects it's funny, but not when you're on recieving end of it.

Hopefully, it's good to see, I am not the only one who thinks this new FIFA somewhat failed what it promised to deliever. (and let me remind you EA Sports marketing specs said it's the best thing ever, best FIFA ever, the most realistic football experience ever, blah blah blah. )

 

[bangus]

You should see how much faster FIFA 10 was on consoles and how FIFA 11 was. It was FUN and like I said, it was also the reason why PES 6 was so great. Action and more action from one end to the other.

On FIFA 12 you just snooze :lol: of boredom.

Well now I see what your issue with the game is and why you call it a snooze-fest. You want fast, whereas FIFA 12 is maybe the most realistic game ever as far as imitating the pace and buildup of football. For me, it's the sim-like pace of FIFA 12 that's probably the most appealing aspect of the game. Guess the fact that I'm an old bugger with lousy reflexes and not into frantic button pounding anymore has a lot to do with that, heh.

 

[bangus]

Pretty simple to raise the pace of the game BTW. Crank up the CPU speed and accel sliders and set the game on the fast setting.

 

[jschuck12001]

You had my attention until you threw PES 12 into the discussion. PES 12 has the absolute worst gameplay and arcade style game ever in any soccer game besides lasts years PES.

 

[Waldo1639]

You had my attention until you threw PES 12 into the discussion. PES 12 has the absolute worst gameplay and arcade style game ever in any soccer game besides lasts years PES.

Disagree. Based on what you think so?

 

[jschuck12001]

Disagree. Based on what you think so?

The movement of the players is very robotic, it doesnt feel smooth as FIFA does. Im not a FIFA fan boy either, I usually play PES until modding tools are released for FIFA and I like the fact they have all tourneys liscensed and graphics are nasty on my Sony. Last year I found it to be unplayable and this year it was a litlle better but only played for a few minutes then uninstalled PES Edit patch shortly after that.

 

[info0]

The movement of players in FIFA 12 is also way worse than it was in FIFA 11. FIFA 11 animations were more fluid, had better transitions and FIFA 11 had more animations it seemed.

I don't care about PES 2012 animations, like I said in PES video on my channel. They are behind FIFA in that aspect and everyone accepts that fact. Same stuff as with licenses. You get on with limitations certain titles offer.

But AI in this years Pro Evo beats absolutely every FIFA or for that matter any football/sports game released. I don't know HOW they did it, but what KONAMI pulled off in 1 year time is beyond awesome. Teammates do what you expect them to do, run when you expect them to run, position themselves HOW you would love them to. Opposition WILL attack you and NOT let the occassion to score pass by (on FIFA, many many times I have seen AI player going 1 on 1 vs my defender doing what? Passing the ball back... Give me a break).

The only key problem which is incurable it seems, Goalkeepers bring whole game down at times :/. On the opposite scale of FIFA GKs (which are little too good at times).

FIFA 12 is medicore game at best. From lags online, to EA servers going down (consoles), to Player Impact Engine fails, stuttering, lags, button lags, no 3D grass, player models need massive updating (Neymar... for example), stadiums need upgrading too, it's not an era for static looking stadiums (even in 2003 Top Spin had moving environment on courts).

If the game recieves 91/100 on metacritic it means it's Masterpiece and sadly, but FIFA 12 is not falling under that category and the rating is a joke on the whole.

Mind you all FIFAs are rated like that there... Surprising? No.

Like I said, FIFA will deliever with FIFA 13 after polishing the stuff not working well this year. I am certain of it after so much feedback users give to Rutter and co.

But denying KONAMI effort this year is foolish. I know that FIFA diehard fanboys cannot be converted, but I have converted some of my friends to liking Pro Evo 2012. They said they never thought AI could play like that... and are actually enjoying every game on it. Of course it takes TIME to enjoy it fully not 1 - 5 matches, but more like 100-200 games to understand the magic of it...

Bring on the next year. Want 2 footy games to play in 1 year so I can switch back and forth between them.

Btw

Giving FIFA 12 another go. Leaving all at defaults this time. Let's see what happens. Maybe will make some video too

 

[jschuck12001]

The movement of players in FIFA 12 is also way worse than it was in FIFA 11. FIFA 11 animations were more fluid, had better transitions and FIFA 11 had more animations it seemed.

I don't care about PES 2012 animations, like I said in PES video on my channel. They are behind FIFA in that aspect and everyone accepts that fact. Same stuff as with licenses. You get on with limitations certain titles offer.

But AI in this years Pro Evo beats absolutely every FIFA or for that matter any football/sports game released. I don't know HOW they did it, but what KONAMI pulled off in 1 year time is beyond awesome. Teammates do what you expect them to do, run when you expect them to run, position themselves HOW you would love them to. Opposition WILL attack you and NOT let the occassion to score pass by (on FIFA, many many times I have seen AI player going 1 on 1 vs my defender doing what? Passing the ball back... Give me a break).

The only key problem which is incurable it seems, Goalkeepers bring whole game down at times :/. On the opposite scale of FIFA GKs (which are little too good at times).

FIFA 12 is medicore game at best. From lags online, to EA servers going down (consoles), to Player Impact Engine fails, stuttering, lags, button lags, no 3D grass, player models need massive updating (Neymar... for example), stadiums need upgrading too, it's not an era for static looking stadiums (even in 2003 Top Spin had moving environment on courts).

If the game recieves 91/100 on metacritic it means it's Masterpiece and sadly, but FIFA 12 is not falling under that category and the rating is a joke on the whole.

Mind you all FIFAs are rated like that there... Surprising? No.

Like I said, FIFA will deliever with FIFA 13 after polishing the stuff not working well this year. I am certain of it after so much feedback users give to Rutter and co.

But denying KONAMI effort this year is foolish. I know that FIFA diehard fanboys cannot be converted, but I have converted some of my friends to liking Pro Evo 2012. They said they never thought AI could play like that... and are actually enjoying every game on it. Of course it takes TIME to enjoy it fully not 1 - 5 matches, but more like 100-200 games to understand the magic of it...

Bring on the next year. Want 2 footy games to play in 1 year so I can switch back and forth between them.

Btw

Giving FIFA 12 another go. Leaving all at defaults this time. Let's see what happens. Maybe will make some video too

I disagree with you on gameplay but I do wish we could get some of the modders from PES over here, especially Juice as a kitserver for FIFA may be the solution to our problems.

 

[bangus]

I do wish we could get some of the modders from PES over here, especially Juice as a kitserver for FIFA may be the solution to our problems.

Fidel has released some fabulous gameplay mods that rival anything jenkey and yair and whoever release over at EvoWeb.

The keys to FIFA 12 are:

Edit CPU tactics to create some CPU defensive pressure when you have the ball. Raise CPU defense aggression to at least 80. Also, raise the CPU man marking slider to at least 80 as well. You'll see tighter CPU defending and more CPU fouls will be called.

When creating custom CPU tactics, lower play buildup to as low as 1 for many CPU teams. That change alone makes a huge difference to the look and feel of the CPU play. And for anyone who does player editing, try this with a CPU team and test it out: set players' dribbling skill to between 50 and 65 for every player. That edit will stop a lot of the standard, typical FIFA-style nonsense where every CPU winger dribbles up the sideline and into the corner, and then crosses to a teammate in the box.

I use these tweaks and edits in conjunction with Fidel's GP Evo mod and I really can't say enough about how good this game is. And I've been a diehard PES footballer for years. FIFA 12 is not perfect, but after some editing it's very decent and a ton of fun.