Guardiola's Manchester City Thread

[chygry]

I'll try to do my best. I was just stating a fact.

It's not like I've been drunkedly posting offtopic shit though, mostly. The last one was yeah so-so.

But since I'm on probation I'll follow your instructions.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I think man for man, United and Chelsea have better players, and Arsenal and Spurs have arguments.

 

[chygry]

I think man for man, United and Chelsea have better players, and Arsenal and Spurs have arguments.

Look mate, depth-wise I don't think so.

I don't need to break it down for you out of all people but I'll do it anyways:

Manutd: De Gea - Valencia (TFM, Darmian who's on a transfer list) , Bailly (Jones) , Smalling (Blind and ROJO) , Shaw (Blind and Rojo) - Fellaini (Schneiderlin/Carrick, Blind) , Pogba (Ander Herrera) - Martial (Depay/Lingard) , Rooney who's shit (we should've signed James) , Mhkitaryan (Lingard) - Zlatan (Rashford)

Chelsera... Jesus why even bother.. Anyway you get my point. Player for player City has the best squad in the EPL. They just need to replace their full-backs and that's about it.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

We're talking first elevens here Chyrgy. Chelsea does not have a better eleven than city man for man but I think United are on a par

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[Sir Didier Drogba]

Arsenal is laughable I wouldn't have one arsenal player in a combined city arsenal eleven except maybe bellerin

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[chygry]

We're talking first elevens here Chyrgy. Chelsea does not have a better eleven than city man for man but I think United are on a par

Alright. I think it's sort of pointless to compare Chelsea, City and United player for player when it comes to their starting eleven. I'd say that they are pretty much equal. In the end what matters the most is how some team performs as a unit. There are always some weak links in teams, but other players often tend to make up for it.

Arsenal is laughable I wouldn't have one arsenal player in a combined city arsenal eleven except maybe bellerin

What about Alexis on the left instead of Nolito? Both are good but the Chileno is what I suppose you can call a "world class" player and can be a game changer on his day. Guardiola is a fan of him too and was the one who signed him for Barca.

Agreed about Bellerin.

Also I'm not a huge fan of Özil so before anyone comes and mentions him. He wouldn't fit into City's starting XI either IMO.

Cazorla is another player I like and would do a decent job in Guardiola's team I think. Probably wouldn't knock out the likes of David Silva and De Bruyne out of the starting XI though.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I think man for man, United and Chelsea have better players, and Arsenal and Spurs have arguments.

You love man to man comparisons, so here we go:

Goalkeeper: DdG by a mile (ManU)

LB: Equal. Shaw is the most talented but he is still young and learning.
CB: Otamendi (Man City). Worldclass compared to Bailly.
CB: Stones (Man City). I don't like Blind as CB. he is hardworking and good with the ball but he is a limited defender as you could see from the goals conceded against City.
RB: Zabaleta by a mile. Valencia is a winger.

CM: Fernandinho beats Fellaini (Man City)
CM: Pogba v/s David Silva - I'd say equal because Silva is at his peak whereas Pogba is still young and adapting to a new league. Silva probably would edge this off but I'd say equal.
AMF: De Bruyne by a mile v/s Rooney (Man City)

Right wing: Sterling v/s Micki or Mata - equal
Left wing: Nolito beats Martial (Man City). Martial is still a kid, far from his best.

Striker: Equal - both have quality strikers.

So this is 6-1 for City. You can't argue with any of this.

 

[kp41]

I'm not sure why you waste your time to pinpoint facts for biased people ...

 

[Xaviesta]

Zabaleta is not even a starter. Even under Pellegrini last season.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Whatever. Zabaleta and Sagna are both better than Valencia.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I can argue with most of that. What the fuck is wrong with you and otamendi? Did you not watch a single game last season?

Also you are not comparing like for like - for example you should compare the two young up and coming cbs and the two more experienced ones, not cross compare

bravo vs DG = DG
Kolorov vs Shaw is a tie
Stones vs Bailly is Bailly
Otamendi vs Blind is tie
Sagna vs valencia is Sagna
Fernandino vs fellini is Fernandino
Fernando/Delph vs pogba is pogba
Kdb vs Rooney is Kdb
Silva vs martial /mata is silva
Sterling vs mkitaryan is tie
Aguero vs Ibra is tie

Which is pretty close


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[chygry]

I can argue with most of that. What the fuck is wrong with you and otamendi? Did you not watch a single game last season?

Also you are not comparing like for like - for example you should compare the two young up and coming cbs and the two more experienced ones, not cross compare

bravo vs DG = DG
Kolorov vs Shaw is a tie
Stones vs Bailly is Bailly
Otamendi vs Blind is tie
Sagna vs valencia is Sagna
Fernandino vs fellini is Fernandino
Fernando/Delph vs pogba is pogba
Kdb vs Rooney is Kdb
Silva vs martial /mata is silva
Sterling vs mkitaryan is tie
Aguero vs Ibra is tie

Which is pretty close

What am I reading? Regarding the things I bolded out. Shaw is essential to us and far superior player to Kolarov. Ask any City fan and he'll tell you that he wants the guy gone from the club.

Blind isn't even a natural CB. Smalling will be starting instead of him soon. The guy was injured so Blind filled in and Mourinho didn't want to mess with the CB partnership during the derby.

Also surprised that Nady prefers Otamendi to Bailly.

Everyone has a right to their opinion though, and I'm not trying to come here saying that you're all wrong and what I'm saying is the ultimate fact.

"Nady: Valencia is a winger."

Nope. He's a wide midfielder or a right midfielder. There's a difference you know. Now I'm just sounding like an asshole.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I agree about Shaw and personally I would put him ahead of Kolarov but I put tie to be diplomatic.

Blind and otamendi are two equally flawed CBs in my opinion.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I can argue with most of that. What the fuck is wrong with you and otamendi? Did you not watch a single game last season?

Also you are not comparing like for like - for example you should compare the two young up and coming cbs and the two more experienced ones, not cross compare

bravo vs DG = DG
Kolorov vs Shaw is a tie
Stones vs Bailly is Bailly
Otamendi vs Blind is tie
Sagna vs valencia is Sagna
Fernandino vs fellini is Fernandino
Fernando/Delph vs pogba is pogba
Kdb vs Rooney is Kdb
Silva vs martial /mata is silva
Sterling vs mkitaryan is tie
Aguero vs Ibra is tie

Which is pretty close


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This is more or less my reasoning, and this isn't taking into consideration the fact that United has really good players on the bench who I think tilt the balance. United start Rooney and Fellaini, sure, but they have Schneiderlin, Herrera, and Schweinsteiger on the bench while City is already down to who? Delph and Nasri? You put Blind in at CB, but I'd actually give both CB slots to United. I think Bailly is a lot better than Otamendi and for my money I'd rather have Smalling than Stones at this point. Shaw is better than Kolorov by a lot, I don't think there's a comparison, and I actually like Valencia a lot as a right back while I've never been high on Sagna... Zabaleta is more or less washed up now, sadly. I would actually put RB as a tie.

For Arsenal, I think Cech, Koscielny, Bellerin, Xhaka, Ozil, and Alexis get into a combined side with City, and that's not talking about the depth they have with players like Ox and Coquelin who are better than what City have on the bench.

Chelsea: Azpilicueta, Courtois, Kante, Hazard, and Willian are in the combined side and Oscar/Cesc miss out only because KdB and Silva are so good, but the dropoff in terms of pure talent isn't massive.

It's not the TALENT that is giving Pep the edge. While you all may not agree with my opinions, you can at least see where I'm coming from. The difference in talent between these top teams is not high. Pep has a system that he plays and players improve under him because Pep is a great coach that puts players in roles in which they will succeed.

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

I totally disagree with the Arsenal players you put in a combined eleven. I really think people overrate Ozil (who goes missing half a season) and even Sanchez (big fish in a small pool). There is still very little evidence to suggest Xhaka is as good as the underrated and now proven Fernandinho. Cech is as flakey as bravo these days, not much difference there. Kosciely maybe scrapes in but that's it for me.

Edit: I tend to agree with you on the Utd-city comparisons though, most of the times I declared a tie I was definitely leaning to the United player.

 

[chygry]

I totally disagree with the Arsenal players you put in a combined eleven. I really think people overrate Ozil (who goes missing half a season) and even Sanchez (big fish in a small pool). There is still very little evidence to suggest Xhaka is as good as the underrated and now proven Fernandinho. Cech is as flakey as bravo these days, not much difference there. Kosciely maybe scrapes in but that's it for me.

Edit: I tend to agree with you on the Utd-city comparisons though, most of the times I declared a tie I was definitely leaning to the United player.

Finally someone here saying that Özil is not as good as people make him out to be. Too inconsistent for my liking. On his day he can be a game changer, but during some others it's almost like he's not even on the pitch. Something like that could be acceptable to some striker (poacher type), but not to a #10.

Alexis is quality though, he basically carried Arsenal on his back during his first season there. Last season he didn't even get to rest in the summer with Chile reaching the Copa América final and winning it. Same thing this summer though.

So he seemed a little off last season, and fatigued. Wenger is like he is and played him whenever he could basically. While he could've benefited from some rest. What's the point of wearing out a player like that even more? He even got injured at some point if I recall correctly which is unusual to him.

Oh and hey don't start that thing about me replying in every thread. When I notice something said by whomever, and actually have something to say about the matter then that's what I do.

 

[Xaviesta]

Alexis was injured almost 3 months combined last season.

 

[Arnau]

Typical Sanchez

 

[Pogba4Now]

This is more or less my reasoning, and this isn't taking into consideration the fact that United has really good players on the bench who I think tilt the balance. United start Rooney and Fellaini, sure, but they have Schneiderlin, Herrera, and Schweinsteiger on the bench while City is already down to who? Delph and Nasri? You put Blind in at CB, but I'd actually give both CB slots to United. I think Bailly is a lot better than Otamendi and for my money I'd rather have Smalling than Stones at this point. Shaw is better than Kolorov by a lot, I don't think there's a comparison, and I actually like Valencia a lot as a right back while I've never been high on Sagna... Zabaleta is more or less washed up now, sadly. I would actually put RB as a tie.

For Arsenal, I think Cech, Koscielny, Bellerin, Xhaka, Ozil, and Alexis get into a combined side with City, and that's not talking about the depth they have with players like Ox and Coquelin who are better than what City have on the bench.

Chelsea: Azpilicueta, Courtois, Kante, Hazard, and Willian are in the combined side and Oscar/Cesc miss out only because KdB and Silva are so good, but the dropoff in terms of pure talent isn't massive.

It's not the TALENT that is giving Pep the edge. While you all may not agree with my opinions, you can at least see where I'm coming from. The difference in talent between these top teams is not high. Pep has a system that he plays and players improve under him because Pep is a great coach that puts players in roles in which they will succeed.

I disagree. I think Man U has wasted a lot of money on players that are not worth it. For example Fellaini, Herrera or even Schneiderlin. They are not good enough for 25 to 30 millions at the time they were bought. I think Man City has a much better squad. They may be weak in some areas for example full back, but they have a very strong spine. Worldclass De Bruyne and Silva in the centre, Aguero forward, Otamendi and Stones at the back (I think Otamendi is worldclass despite the poor start of his Man City career).

 

[Sir Didier Drogba]

Both city and United have wasted a lot of money. I suppose they were slightly more successful at getting a lot of the duds off the books (if only on loan).

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